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General Ship Modeling: Painting & Color Schemes
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Enigma1
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Posted: Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 04:22 PM UTC
I was wondering if there was any difference between the shades of red used below the waterline on the ships of WWII? USN, DKM, IJN, and RN. I have viewed the different builds online and I have seen everything from bright reds to dark red-browns. Very confusing! Any help is appreciated Thanks
smithrp
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Posted: Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 05:25 PM UTC
The red used on US, British, & German ships was a lead base red oxide primer. You can duplicate this using any red oxide primer from a hardware, or automotive parts store. I prefer the Duplicolor brand. Some brands are redish and some are more brownish in color. The correct color is the brownish red. Just spray it into a cup and pour it into your airbrush and you are good to go. I use this primer on my ships and when it is photographed it appears red.
TracyWhite
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Posted: Sunday, May 09, 2010 - 07:20 PM UTC
Each Navy had a different formula with corresponding differences in their colors.Even the US Navy had different formulas for different types of ships; Check out the "Ship Bottom Paint" listing on the right column here:
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/paint_listing.htm
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/paint_listing.htm
JimMrr
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Posted: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 11:03 AM UTC
Ive heard that Pre-drednaught ships had brass sheeting laid onto the hulls, which would oxidize into a strange greenish colour..
sighbeerguy
British Columbia, Canada
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Posted: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 06:04 PM UTC
Polly Scale Railroad Acrylic Colors-
#414293 - Zinc Chromate Primer (not the sickly green/yellow aircraft color)
#414350 - Mineral Red
#414350 - Special Oxide Red
If you like to make ship models, you will find these useful for doing the submerged part of the hull.
#414293 - Zinc Chromate Primer (not the sickly green/yellow aircraft color)
#414350 - Mineral Red
#414350 - Special Oxide Red
If you like to make ship models, you will find these useful for doing the submerged part of the hull.
dlgn25
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Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 11:25 AM UTC
We have the antifouling reds (and other antifouling colors) of the various navies accurately matched and available in our Colourcoats enamels:
US 14, Norfolk 65-A Antifouling Red (USN WW2 & prior);
RN 19, Royal Navy Antifouling Red (WW2);
M 06, Modern USN Antifouling Red;
KM 04, Schiffsbodenfarbe III Rot 5 (Kriegsmarine WW2);
KM 05, Schiffsbodenfarge III Grau 1 (Kriegsmarine WW2 on U-boats, S-boats);
IJN 11, IJN Antifouling Red (WW2).
They're all different....
US 14, Norfolk 65-A Antifouling Red (USN WW2 & prior);
RN 19, Royal Navy Antifouling Red (WW2);
M 06, Modern USN Antifouling Red;
KM 04, Schiffsbodenfarbe III Rot 5 (Kriegsmarine WW2);
KM 05, Schiffsbodenfarge III Grau 1 (Kriegsmarine WW2 on U-boats, S-boats);
IJN 11, IJN Antifouling Red (WW2).
They're all different....
JMartine
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Posted: Thursday, May 13, 2010 - 12:48 AM UTC
dlgn25
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Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 09:12 AM UTC
That source is both outdated and inaccurate, having been matched to house paints.