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USS Oregon - Glencoe 1/225
panzerserra
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Posted: Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 03:13 PM GMT+7
Ahoy, Boys !!!!

This is my first incursion in the seas....

My beach is Military, in 1/35 scale, mainly WWII....

But I didn't resist to the invitation of a Group-Build of ships that began to lift sprinklings in this fantastic forum:
http://www.panzermodel.com/Forum/index.php?board=121.0





Well...Well...There is my option to participate in this challenge:


with PE from Tom´s Modelworks:


The parts are well injected, in a soft plastic and tasty to work. Few flashs, Few burr and flashs, thanks to the Gods:




The instructions are spartans:







But this is not an obstacle to a old-monkey like me!


heheheheheheheheheheheheheheh
panzerserra
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Posted: Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 03:25 PM GMT+7
The color chart scheme:


...and the party will begin...
The hull is beautiful, well cast and is not twisted...Thank ,Gods !!!



The assembly of the deck is a necessary reinforcement:


Some defects in the bottom of the hull ... Putty and sandpaper:




Doing some surgeries in the hull and decks of Oregon: Hacking the locations of plastic ladders:



Results of surgery:


More cuts and eliminations: The plastic is really soft and helps a lot ...



Open the windows:


Well...there this...until now !!!
Stay tuned !!!

regards, from Brazil !!!
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Posted: Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 04:24 PM GMT+7
what a great blog! Look forward to the rest, great pics and explanations... thanks for sharing, an oldie but goodie! Cheers
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Posted: Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 04:28 PM GMT+7
Hi Marcos,

I have been wondering about this kit for a while, I can now see, I will be snagging one sooner than later.

It looks like you have the situation under control as far as building this one goes. Looking forward to your progress.
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Posted: Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 04:46 PM GMT+7
Oi Marcos!

Welcome to MSW!
As Jay as stated, it seems that you have all this project under control!
One question : which painting scheme are you going to do? Pre-Spanish American War/ Spanish American War or Post SP/American war?

Please keep us posted on your progress!


Rui
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Posted: Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 05:40 PM GMT+7
I was wondering when you were going to join us on the "light side" Marcos.
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Posted: Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 06:01 PM GMT+7
Welcome, Marcos, to Model Shipwrights, mate!

Great looking Build Blog thus far, making nice progress...thanks for sharing your experience with us, looking forward to more!

Cheers,
~Gunny
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Posted: Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 09:06 PM GMT+7
Gents, thanks ...
Thanks to all for the warm welcome...

James...really, this kit is old, but a pleasure to build...

Jay...I hope, sincerely, that the situation CONTINUES under control...hehehehehehe

Rui...Thanks for your words....Vou desenferrujar o Português contigo...
As cores desta moçona eu vou fazer neste esquema: (color scheme)


March - 1898
Immediately before the Santiago Battle - Imediatamente antes da batalha do Porto de Santiago...

Dave...hi !!! I´m so glad to see you here, too....I didn't know that you build ships...
I decided " to clean the dust " lifted up for my tanks with some salted water....

ehehehehheeheh


Mark, thanks for your wellcome...It´s a pleasure and a privilege to be here, with all you...

regards, from Brazil !!!!!

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Posted: Thursday, July 31, 2008 - 11:37 PM GMT+7

Quoted Text

Dave...hi !!! I´m so glad to see you here, too....I didn't know that you build ships...



OH, by no means am I a ship builder.....
But I am seriously attempting, ever so slowly a 1/350th ship kit for the "Lets have fun and do a staff build". I have committed myself to actually finishing this attempt, come hell or high water, and with warts and all for the entertainment pleasure of the membership.
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Posted: Friday, August 01, 2008 - 06:52 AM GMT+7

Quoted Text


OH, by no means am I a ship builder.....
But I am seriously attempting, ever so slowly a 1/350th ship kit for the "Lets have fun and do a staff build". I have committed myself to actually finishing this attempt, come hell or high water, and with warts and all for the entertainment pleasure of the membership.




That´s the spirit !!

Fun!!!


So, I invite you to be like me: To navigate on high seas...

Never let the tanks, but to do a holiday cruise ....

All hands on deck !!!
Battle stations !!!!
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Posted: Friday, August 01, 2008 - 11:00 AM GMT+7
Oi Marcos!

Você escolheu o esquema de pintura mais emblemático! Força e continue com os updates!
Um abraço,
Rui

PS: or in english You have choose the most emblematic painting scheme! Carry on and keep us updated
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Posted: Friday, August 01, 2008 - 11:47 AM GMT+7
I'll be watching this log. Good luck with this build- it has some pretty major inaccuracies:
The waterline is way too high, the molded railings, turrets are too shallow, and worst of all, the completely wrong secondary gun deck that are flush with the bulwarks (they shouldn't be) It is this major inaccuracy and the mind bending amount of surgery required to correct it that has kept me far, far away from this model.

This is one of those kits that has you constantly checking references and fixing until you're foaming at the mouth. Or, you can always choose to ignore those errors and build a decent looking (if incorrect) model- because in the big scheme of things, most people won't know the difference.

If you want to build an accurate kit out of the box in a standard scale (1/350) rather than box-scale, YS Masterpieces makes a nice one. Here is Jim Baumann's Build Review

Have fun and welcome to the board!
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Posted: Friday, August 01, 2008 - 12:20 PM GMT+7
Well ...Continuing the saga of the Oregon:
Some hatches needed to be sealed, another opened. The one that needed be closed, I applied a plasticard piece inside the hull like support for putty. Glued with welder (Tenax 7R)


The diagram below is the guide of the hatches in the hull: who stay and who go. It was scanned from photo-etched instructions...


Job done:


In the stern of Oregon, it´s necessary to open two hatches that will receive, later, two PE grills;
Repair that the name OREGON in relief will be removed with scalp, because it will be substituted by PE:


Done:


...and the other side:


I set up the group of Oregon´s superstructure...
Look at the picture below: he presents some " fins " of plastic that they should be removed, for they be substituted by the guard-bodies in metal: The arrows in blue show how was...the red as they were. The treatment will be executed in the two sides, in the 3 decks...(sorry my poor English...)


..and the thing after "surgery" ...Look the "small " gaps of the superestructure... blue arrows:
eheheheheheheheh


The surgery in the superior deck: greenish arrows the thing already done... The red mark, the next victims...


Holly crap !!!!

After a lot of research, I discovered that the kit presents a gross mistake:
Oregon only has two decks, and not three, as in the kit....

Look at the pictures below and follow me:
The kit´s superestructure is like this:


But real Oregon was like this:


Repair that exist perforated foils, soon below the light guns.
Besides, the sailor on the right side is leaning in her.
These foils were erect in combat, working as a walkway for the handling of the weapons...
I drew roughly below, on the original picture;
The perforated pieces arose in hinges and the sailors walked on them:


But in the kit, the thing is like this:


b]
Awful !![/b]

Look that: Oregon should only have 02 decks and not 03!!!


Another view::


And as the thing it should be repaired:
Look this incredible model, in 1/48 scale, in comparison with Glencoe´s kit...

font:
http://steelnavy.com/index.htm

Well ....


Surgery ahead !!!!
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Posted: Friday, August 01, 2008 - 12:31 PM GMT+7

Quoted Text

I'll be watching this log. Good luck with this build- it has some pretty major inaccuracies:
The waterline is way too high, the molded railings, turrets are too shallow, and worst of all, the completely wrong secondary gun deck that are flush with the bulwarks (they shouldn't be) It is this major inaccuracy and the mind bending amount of surgery required to correct it that has kept me far, far away from this model.

This is one of those kits that has you constantly checking references and fixing until you're foaming at the mouth. Or, you can always choose to ignore those errors and build a decent looking (if incorrect) model- because in the big scheme of things, most people won't know the difference.

If you want to build an accurate kit out of the box in a standard scale (1/350) rather than box-scale, YS Masterpieces makes a nice one. Here is Jim Baumann's Build Review

Have fun and welcome to the board!



Dade, Incredible....
:_|
I was just writing about this when you sent me your alert one...

Jim's work it´s a resin kit....I know (and I am studying...) the review...

But thank you very much for the alert!!!

Stay tuned !!!
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Posted: Friday, August 01, 2008 - 12:45 PM GMT+7

Quoted Text

Oi Marcos!

Você escolheu o esquema de pintura mais emblemático! Força e continue com os updates!
Um abraço,
Rui

PS: or in english You have choose the most emblematic painting scheme! Carry on and keep us updated



Ok, Rui...
Como você pode ver acima, o Oregon está repleto de desafios !!!

Vou ter que ser um pouco cirurgião e um pouco modelista !!!

Abraços daqui da ex-Colônia e fique ligado !!!


(Like you can see above, Oregon is replete of challenges!!!
I will have to be like a surgeon and a like modeler !!!
hugs)
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Posted: Friday, August 01, 2008 - 12:57 PM GMT+7

Quoted Text

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Dade, Incredible....
:_|
I was just writing about this when you sent me your alert one...

Jim's work it´s a resin kit....I know (and I am studying...) the review...

But thank you very much for the alert!!!

Stay tuned !!!



Well, you know, great minds think alike!

YSM makes pretty much all of the American pre-dreads (and a lot of other countries) in resin, so if you want to build the fleet, that's the way to go- even though they're smaller.

You've got it under control, and I'm looking forward to your work. Cheers and good luck!

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Posted: Friday, August 01, 2008 - 02:52 PM GMT+7
Well Dr. Marcos, it looks like you have some work cut out for you on this one. Sorry, couldn't resist the terrible pun.

That does make for a whole new box of tricks to be pulled out, can't wait to see how it comes along. As has been stated before more eloquently than I would say, "that is why it is called modeling and not kit assembly." Looking forward to your updates.
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Posted: Friday, August 01, 2008 - 06:25 PM GMT+7
Thanks for the tips, Dade...

..and Jay...

Doctor Panzerserra is in the house .....

Showtime:

time of sharpening the knives...
Please...
Please, care when seeing the next scenes....
They can elevate your blood pressure...

No guts, no glory !!!

Form made with plasticard and pen mark:.


Using the Dremel with patience, care and affection:
I took advantage of and made 04 disks with 2mm thickness plasticard to increase the height of the gun barbets (8 inches guns), because the´re very low:

To apply these disks, more surgery: the removal of the fittings in relief of the guns:


A close of the decks of Oregon and of the barbets with the glued disk...



That´s all, Folks !!!....



The emotions were excessive, this night....
panzerserra
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Posted: Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 07:06 AM GMT+7
Well...another busy day at the Office....

Hands on the work:

I discovered the largest mistakes of Oregon when it had already set up the superestrutura...
I began catching the piece and comparing with the pictures and, oh yes, everything was clear....

I began a "coating " of the walkway among the prow bridge and of stern, using plasticard of 0,2mm of thickness ...like a paper...


The manipulation of this passing one would be easier if the piece was off. I forced with scalp in the plastic welds and voilá:
Part off ...Just this, I love welders!!!!!!


With the walkway off, everything was easier ...I´ll take advantage this and re-do the bridges of prow and stern... They are totally wrong....

What a mass...This ship is a trully puzzle !!!

But returning to the superestructure: I made the floor of the 8 inches guns deck with plasticard (1mm of thickness ). cut out and beginning the "scribbing " like boards:


This deck will be glued inside the superestructure.
For the new deck to be in the same plan of the guns deck, I made 4 plasticard semi-circles (2mm) to serve as support in the internal portion of the barbets. With this, the internal deck is in the same level of the external deck:


I made semi-circles to allow the adaptation of the scouring pads that allow the 8 inches gun turrets movement.


Deck ready:


...another vision angle: Repair that the prow bridge was all cut out, fixing your shape...


A dry-run of the turrets and the walkway:




Now, a great small detail: I will build the turrets in separate (for easy to paint) and I want to preserve the turrets rotation.
I decided to do a system that does allow the movement of the towers wen I to glue the deck in the hull.
I perforated the back portions of the scouring pads of the 8 inches towers (1) and I will glue some pieces of soft plastic as " springs " to allow the rotate with a certain " weight ".
I used, for this, the " springs " that we found under the keys of old computer keyboards (2). I will glue these parts with superglue in the scouring pads...
Accompany:
Before:


After the glued piece-springs. The semi-circles of 1mm plasticard will be " to join " the scouring pads in your ranches, allowing the rotation movement, but retaining them in position.


The scouring pads fit at your places, free and allowing the turn::


And a photo of the " retainers ". In the inferior portion, the position before and in the big image, after glued:


With that, I can turn the structure that the scouring pads don't fall ...But they are free to rotate and " with weight " in the rotation, thanks to the spring-plastic surgeries:


Later, it is only glue the towers in your rotation pins. A dry-run::


ehehheheheheheheheheheh
Coool !!

I found one more mistake...

Problem: the 13 inches towers are very " flat " .
Looks at the picture below:
The main towers are higher than your barbets, while the kit ´s have the same height:


Solution: to use a 2mm platicard disk "to raise" the turret. When doing this, I need to remove the "current border " of the tower.

Cutting the disks, with a compasses:


Dry-run: Note the tower´s border still present:


Using the Dremel to rectify the plasticard disks:


I used the same system to remove the turrets borders. See a comparative picture::


And how it was: Compare: left tower, rectified; right tower, the one of the kit. EEww!


Comparative dry-runs;
rectified:


kit´s standard:


The fixed towers, with a small putty portion for correction of defects:



Well, this was the producy of yesterday...

We will see if I get to work today in this Big girl....

See you soon!!!

regards...
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Posted: Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 07:48 AM GMT+7
Marcos,
Your surgery is coming along great, indeed, the "patient" is looking better with each update to her "chart"....

But seriously, mate, love the method of your modeling, and your posting, quite refreshing and imaginative, as well as extremely helpful, informative, and easy to understand...please, keep the updates coming!

Cheers,
~Gunny
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Posted: Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 08:16 AM GMT+7
Oi Marcos!

You're doing a great job correcting all the mistakes!
Keep us posted - it's great fun to see your build blog (and you have a terrific sense of humor!!!!)



Rui
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Posted: Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 08:30 AM GMT+7
Awesome job there Dr. Marcos. The Oregon is coming right along in spite of Glencoes' expertise. Can't wait for the next installment.
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Posted: Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 12:12 PM GMT+7
Grabbing that bull with both hands and wrestling it into submission! I love it!
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Posted: Sunday, August 03, 2008 - 01:35 PM GMT+7
Hi, Saylors !!!!

Mark (Gunny) , thanks for your words...Again it´s a pleasure to be here, with all old Sea wolves . I only apologize for my "rickety" English...

Rui, Obrigado...Meu lema é que: "De sério e complicado, basta a vida !" Por favor, traduza isto aos colegas do fórum!!!
I do a joke with Rui with n old moto as I use...He w´ll translate to you !!!

Jay The patient is getting recovers well of the surgeries....The same I cannot say about the surgeon...
hehehehehehehehehehehehe

Dade This bull (or cow ??!!) it´s very wild...But I am stubborn like an old itchy horse !!!



Really, this Girl will be an ideal representative of the term before and after!!!



hehehehehehhehehehehehehehehe

Sincerely, I´m not rivet-counter, but when I see a very wrong thing, I´m with itch to repair the thing.... for my pleasure...

For instance, the 13 inches towers, were very better, but comparing with the original pictures, I think can still get better more...


I decided to glue the 2mm "lip" and to incorporate this lip to the height of the turret and to do a new lip, only that fine, this time...
Waste of the 2mm lip, after glued to the tower:


The tool that I did to rectify the tower. Iron pin that fits in the hole of the interior of the tower:


And the tower mounted in Dremel, ready to be rectified in medium rotation (4.000 RPM,s)


After the two 2mm lips rectified and incorporate in the towers, the making of the two lips, now with 0,7mm plasticard:


And how it was:
I rectify too the tower´s superior border, that in the picture appears round:


... and the summary of the new surgery:
As it was...
The 1st up-grating and
the one that I did now...




I think was very better!!!

...and a picture of one of the towers, in close:



After that, I made this structure that is going underneath of the walkway of Oregon, for under the chimney... .Kettle´s roof, I think...



Well, gentlemen ...Unhapilly, my model day in this weekend is over...

Now, I will make the pleasant task of producing about 40 surgery slides, for the Course of Surgery that I am supplying...I´m a teacher amd Master degree in Oral Implantology...

Boring !!!

Ahoy and next week, you w´ll see more!!!!




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Posted: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 - 11:07 AM GMT+7
New progress in the Oregon:


I re-did the structures of the internal deck:


I passed good part of the afternoon making these structures, but it was very cool...


And fix the holes of the 13 inches turrets:

Only that...The weekend was quite busy with the preparation of surgery classes..... Next stage: to repair the prow and stern bridges...

abraços (hugs !!!)