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Subject: King Tiger Porsche - 3./s.Pz.Abt. 503
Alvaro Brasesco
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Posted: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 05:14 AM UTC
Hi All,

Following the post of my partner Sebastian, from IPMS Uruguay, I want to share my proyect : King Tiger Porsche - 3./s.Pz.Abt. 503, Anneliese.
As come with the zimmerit and I don't want to add more photoetched parts than the kit ones, Its an easy build

The actual vehicle (pics for discussion only). Note the jerrycan instead of the wood block. How they hold it?.



The Wheels -


The chassis



Dry fit test







Gluying the turret ring


Slant mold 3 pieces cannon tip and aluminium.




Rear hull - Maybe need some scarving for better fit?


The turret and cupolas, two of them, one with and without small details




Hope you like it, and please send me some tips and tricks !
Bye for now.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 05:33 AM UTC
Looks good so far, Alvaro. I'm building the earlier, non-zim version of this kit (dml 6312), so I'll be watching your progress with interest.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 06:53 PM UTC
Hi Alvaro,

I like the post, but I need to see advances on the kitty. I know what a nice work you did on the t34, so on this one, there is no doubt it will be a "contest winner".

About the fuel can on the back, did you noted is doesn´t have a ring to hang it, it is supported form the buttom as far I can see, probably a field modification

Did you noted also the spare track between the exhausts?, nice detail to do

Well, see you arround

Sebastián
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Posted: Monday, July 27, 2009 - 02:00 AM UTC
One step ahead, carving the zimmerit, add some plates and details in the turret. Few pics, due to low batt charge - take 15 hours to 100% !





Dry fit







2nd. "Production" King Tigers have near the rear corner, a hose to manage the spills or fuel fumes. The early ones, did have them too?. On wich side?, pics?.
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Posted: Monday, July 27, 2009 - 11:21 AM UTC

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2nd. "Production" King Tigers have near the rear corner, a hose to manage the spills or fuel fumes. The early ones, did have them too?



No they didn't.

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Posted: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 - 01:15 AM UTC
Thanks Spit.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 - 04:18 AM UTC
Yes, It is hollow.
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 04:54 AM UTC

Thanks yrq_ekb

I' need to rebuilt this area. Any more pics?.

Regards, TIA
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Posted: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 01:38 AM UTC
Thanks to the previous post, I can do some homework.

Using very low speed, later dental tools to re-shape it.



Preparing the photoetched parts, the rounded grills, are specially fine. Handled with care



Note the damage - using my fingers! . Looks real !



Mg. A lot of pieces, unnecessary to me, as I close all hatches!



Hope you like it! Cheers

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Posted: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 02:51 AM UTC

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Thanks to the previous post, I can do some homework.

Using very low speed, later dental tools to re-shape it.



Nice method, using the drill. I had to use a pin vise to rework the same detail on mine. Your way looks much easier. Keep it coming, I'm enjoying watching you work.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 05:54 AM UTC
Alvaro Brasesco

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Any more pics?.


as your wish

1. hooks on rear decks

Your variant is blue.
Sorry for the Russian on the pictures and for my bad English.

2.
may be useful
(Dimensions in cm.)


and other pictures
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_p_175362.html#175362
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Posted: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 06:27 AM UTC


Your TigerII have single vent line for fuel system.
from "VK45.02 to TigerII":

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6.3.2.8 Kraftstoffanlage (Fuel System)
Starting in April 1944, fuel tank installation was altered and a vent line was added at the high point in the system.

6.3.2.20 Kraftstoffanlage (Fuel System)
By October 1944, the number of fuel line connections was decreased by about half to decrease fuel leaks in the engine compartment. The reduced number of interconnections between fuel tanks necessitated the addition of three vent lines to ventilate all seven fuel tanks.

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Posted: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 07:00 AM UTC
a thing about the ventlines, they weren't added for spills or fumes, but to allow air to run out of the tanks during re-fueling. Also, during driving, they prevented underpressure in the tanks that would hamper the fuel-feed to the engine. Fuel actually cannot enter the ventlines, as during refueling, it would overflow in the filler. The ventlines are above the filler access, and as Archimedes showed, liquids will stay at the same level when 2 openings exist.

And about the Zimmerit, DML should've thought it a little bit further through, as areas really need to be cleared of Zimmerit like under the exhaustcovers, in order to allow them to sit realistic.
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All at the moment postponed until I've moved and settled in my new home! YAY!
 
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Posted: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 09:00 AM UTC
Thanks Alfa10 and Herbert for your comments. Yrq_ekb nice pics

After trying to do the hole with the Tamiya pin vice, I recall the drill

Now I working in the turret, and late in the week move again to the aft body.

Any tips for removing or scarving the zimm are welcome?.

I choose 0.45 mm wire for detailing the handles, thin/fat?

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Posted: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 - 02:02 AM UTC
Latest pics, inside the turret, self defence weapon and the cannon. No details there as I will close all the hatches.



Details added - less the handles . Periscope "cap" was thinned with file.



Q: Wich one?, with or without the channels/slots ?



Now I need to detach the rest......



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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2009 - 02:09 AM UTC
More parts added



Two parts photoetched



Turret aft





The chain comes with the kit



Added MG



Aft details





Hope you like it, comments?
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Posted: Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 07:26 AM UTC
Coming along nicely Alvaro, great details you've added. Keep at it, is turning out to be a beauty. Thanks for sharing your build.

Cheers -
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Posted: Monday, August 24, 2009 - 04:19 AM UTC
Thanks Tim, I don't take pics this weekend .I have a Corsair too, check it at
http://www.ipmsuruguay.com/foro/viewtopic.php?t=2307

Cheers, Alvaro
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Posted: Monday, August 24, 2009 - 08:32 AM UTC

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Q: Wich one?, with or without the channels/slots ?




The one with the channels is a late production variant. The slots are for drainage of rainwater.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 08:19 AM UTC
Thanks for your imput , Also I check Tiger tanks VK45.02 to Tiger II" Thomas L Jentz & Hilary L. Doyle - Schiffer Publishing. and said that this kind was produced after May 44.

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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 09:11 AM UTC
Replacing some plastic parts





Dry fit



by now
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Posted: Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 02:24 AM UTC


Checking references with another partner - IPMS Uruguay, he found a JagdTiger pic, the one with the roof blow out, and one American Soldier in front of it, with 2 pairs of handles in the front hatches

Q: This feature are show in Jadg's, or Porsche and Henschell have them?.

If not in use, the holes must be filled in?.



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Posted: Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 03:10 AM UTC
Hello Alvaro,

"This feature are show in Jadg's, or Porsche and Henschell have them?."

Late Jagdtiger got them, so you should fill the holes


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Another thing I have noticed is that you should correct a production error by DML concerning the turret roof


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The correct position


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Posted: Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 03:24 AM UTC
Hello Marco

Wow, that's fast!

Thanks for the data and pics.

Yes, I note the roof indicator problem. Interesting, the pics of the instruction booklet, show it correct!
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Posted: Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 03:39 AM UTC
Alvaro,

I really appreciate you beginning this thread. I'm building Dragon's '39-'45 Series Sd.Kfz. 182 King Tiger (Porsche Turret), # 6189 utilizing Cavalier's zimmerit. You've brought up some questions/issues that I've not thought about (nor some of the folks that have been helping me out).

I'm also appreciating yrq_ekb's input (among others).

Here's a picture of where mine is right now:



Needless to say, I've "subscribed" to your thread and will be looking forward to following along.

Should mention....mine may be from the 1./schwere SS-Panzer-Abteilung 501. Not 100% certain yet.

Mike
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Posted: Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 06:20 AM UTC
Mike,

Thanks for your words.

Your model looks great too!, in the past I have the Tamiya one, but I sell it, as I don't like to do the zim. So, when Dragon come to rescue, I buy it!.
I "envy" your tracks!, here in the far south, kits and aftermarket are very expensive, so this kind of details aren't possible. We have 60% tax over price + shipping, so imagine....

Please, post your progress!. I was a bit slow as in sept. 26/27 we have our "Nationals", and I finish a base for my T-34, anyway, this week end I planning to add the wires, etc.

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Posted: Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 06:38 AM UTC
Alvaro,

With your permission, I'll post an occasional update to what I'm doing and what others are suggesting. I certainly don't want to hijack the thread, as what you've got going is really good and I'll be closely following it. By the way...the Friul's came in a trade...so....I didn't drop the $$ normally expected.

There are at least four things that have originated from you post that I'll incorporate into my build...so, I'm here to watch, "listen," and learn.

Mike
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Posted: Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 09:08 AM UTC
Personally, I'd like to see you guys do the thread sharing thing. I have Tigers in the stash and several Tiger builds on Armorama have provided a WEALTH of information about building them. This is a golden opportunity for another such great build. With contributions made by Spit, Herbert, Marco, yrq_ekb, and the other experts on Armorama I'm sure will come along, I'm sure this will be another stellar build! It will be a reference for so many things from historical accuracy to "how tos" and everything in between! It will be another keeper absolutely worth saving! Please consider it!

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Posted: Thursday, September 03, 2009 - 04:43 PM UTC
alvaro if buying from foreign online shops isnt possible, try ebay, but of course that comes with its burdens. try the Buy sell or trade forum here, it will sure give you a more reasonable price to pay. both of the tigers looks great. mike great job in the tracks, ive seen how people assemble them and they look very tedious looks like it took alot of work. alvaro i like how you've paid attention to the little details.
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Posted: Friday, September 04, 2009 - 01:48 AM UTC
Mike, Post here when you want, all are welcome.

Jim, I share your comment, to me the forums are the perfect way to share tips, tech and tricks to improve our modelling skills and models.

Calvin, the problem here its that all the packages pass trough customs, and they "need" to extend a bill. The 60% tax applies to all packages or mail if the guy think that you're importing something. Only books, Dvd and Cd's aren't tax.


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