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| Posted: Friday, October 09, 2009 - 07:31 AM UTC |
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I was on the Navydads website and one of the fathers was complaining that the US Navy is considering letting females serve on submarines. Doing some back ground work, I ran across this article ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2334696/posts )about a female tank gunner from Norway. I guess I never thought about it but does the US or any other countries permit females a part of their tank crews?  I was not really sure where to post this question. Hopefully this was the right spot. Tony edit: to fix url |
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| Posted: Friday, October 09, 2009 - 08:15 AM UTC |
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I guess I should googled more. According the internet (which we know is only 100% accurate  ) says Russia had female tank crew members. I actually found 1/35 figures but none of them are modern.   |
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| Posted: Friday, October 09, 2009 - 09:09 AM UTC |
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I know the US doesn't allow females to be tankers. Don't think Brittain does either. No idea on other countries. |
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| Robert Skipper
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| Posted: Friday, October 09, 2009 - 09:15 AM UTC |
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While there are none that I know of in the IDF, they sure have some hot looking armor instructors. |
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 | christopher noone
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| Posted: Friday, October 09, 2009 - 10:02 AM UTC |
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So far I have seen the Dutch let their female soldiers drive tanks, being Leo2, Cheetah, YPR etc..
I have also seen female loaders on German Leo2, if both countries actually let them let the go to war I don‘t know.
Haven‘t noticed any female TC though.
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 | Graeme Davidson
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| Posted: Friday, October 09, 2009 - 02:19 PM UTC |
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Canada has had female Combat Arms soldiers since around 1988. They are about as rare as male nurses. |
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| Posted: Friday, October 09, 2009 - 02:59 PM UTC |
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Canada has had female Combat Arms soldiers since around 1988. They are about as rare as male nurses.
100% correct.....there have been quite a few Canadian female armoured crew members.....non-commissioned and commissioned. |
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| Posted: Friday, October 09, 2009 - 11:19 PM UTC |
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The Swiss Army has been open to females in all functions for a few years. I personally know there are some female M109 crewmembers. There are not many women in the Swiss army though as it is compulsory for men and voluntary for women...
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| Andreas Kirchhoff
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| Posted: Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 01:27 AM UTC |
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Hi!
Yes, there are female tank crew members in Germany, have seen them on Leopard2A6, every position including commander. In Germany, females are on a contract for several years only, not as conscripts. Also I have seen them in the Danish Army, Leopard and MLRS.
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 | Joseph M. Callan
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| Posted: Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 01:38 AM UTC |
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You won't find any female tankers in the U.S. Army, but there some operating armored ambulances (M113A3 etc.) and wreckers (M88A1/2 etc.) at the BCT level.  |
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| Posted: Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 08:06 AM UTC |
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This is obviously NOT a Plus Model figure!  |
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| Graeme Davidson
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| Posted: Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 08:56 AM UTC |
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This is obviously NOT a Plus Model figure!
Also appears that the tank's air conditioning system is in fine working order. |
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 | John Jukes
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| Posted: Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 09:15 AM UTC |
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It wasn't unusual for Russian women to be in WW II combat units. Snipers, tank drivers and pilots for example. How about working with your wife in an SPG ? Near the bottom of this site is a photo of a Russian husband and wife that crewed an ISU-122 Assault Gun. The wife was the commander, her husband was the driver. Flames of War Cheers  jjumbo  |
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 | anthony roberts
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| Posted: Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 09:42 AM UTC |
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hey guys
1 thing i have seen is women in the british army serving on the british AS90 SPG gun but not sure if youd consider this to be working in a tank crew if you understand how i mean??
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 | Roy Kinsella
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| Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 04:53 AM UTC |
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Well there are no tanks as such in the Irish Defence Forces, its mostly Armoured cars and 8x8 APC's etc etc but we have had female crews many years now including on the 20, 60 and 90mm Panhard AML's. This is including overseas operations such as in our UN mission in Liberia which ended successfully two years ago. We also field female soldiers alongside their male counterparts in frontline service including infantry roles..  |
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| Roy Kinsella
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| Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 05:09 AM UTC |
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..here's a photo. Note the wrist watch on crew person on left of turret. Liberia 2005  |
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| tommytanker | Member Since: February 23, 2007
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| Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 01:28 PM UTC |
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Hi,
It's bad enough to be in the field for two weeks (or more) in a steel can Can you imagine that with a female that hits that "time of the month!". Did I mention thats no showers and 100+degree heat OR -10degree cold!!!!!!! Also the females that can break track, clean gun tubes etc are few and far between (I'm saying that there are none just in the minority!). Female tankers, Tanks but no tanks!!!!!
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| Graeme Davidson
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| Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 02:14 PM UTC |
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..here's a photo. Note the wrist watch on crew person on left of turret. Liberia 2005
Not tracking you... what about the watch? |
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| Jason Bobrowich
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| Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 04:29 PM UTC |
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Hi,
It's bad enough to be in the field for two weeks (or more) in a steel can Can you imagine that with a female that hits that "time of the month!". Did I mention thats no showers and 100+degree heat OR -10degree cold!!!!!!! Also the females that can break track, clean gun tubes etc are few and far between (I'm saying that there are none just in the minority!). Female tankers, Tanks but no tanks!!!!!
Good Hunting,
Tommytanker
Why because guys have perfect hygiene, are cleaner than women in the field, and don't have seriously bad attitudes because they haven't "gotten any"? Good grief.....Welcome to the 21st Century. I have seen plenty of male soldiers who were out of shape and couldn't lift the breech block out of a tank turret by themselves or change a road wheel without a helping hand.....not to mention being drop dead exhausted on average PT runs. -10 degrees cold?...hahahaha.....OMG OH NO!!!!......try operating a tank in -50 degrees with the wind chill and sleeping on the back deck for a month......you don't care what gender is next to you for body heat. |
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| Jason Bobrowich
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| Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 04:38 PM UTC |
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..here's a photo. Note the wrist watch on crew person on left of turret. Liberia 2005
Not tracking you... what about the watch?
Apparently women prefer to wear a wrist watch on their right wrist.....modern day folklore if you ask me.....don't people just wear them on the wrist opposite of their dominant hand? |
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| Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 09:20 PM UTC |
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eh?
I'm left-handed, & male, straight, & wore my watch on the right wrist because I often had my hand stuffed in a computer.
I now dispense with a watch entirely, as I carry a phone or two & stream radio on my pc at work.
Don't think gender, orientation or handedness has anything to do with it personally.
Hmm, I know the German forces issue HAIRNETS to their MALE & female soldiers, so 'could be' a mis-identification still? (g) |
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| Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2009 - 09:41 PM UTC |
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Well… I’m sure I would allow HER to drive in my tank… |
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| Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 02:39 AM UTC |
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Well… I’m sure I would allow HER to drive in my tank…
As an ex-tankie, all I can say is it would be VERY distracting to have her as my gunner when I was commanding. |
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| Darren Baker
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| Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 03:03 AM UTC |
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A watch was always worn on the left wrist because the winder is always on the the right of the watch as more people are right handed (strangely this also applies to pocket watches), as watches became dominated by watches that don't need winding they are now worn wherever a person is happiest with. |
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| Roy Kinsella
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| Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 03:11 AM UTC |
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OK guys I agree with the watch statements but I'd love to show another photo of that crew person but me thinks it might not be appropriate now with earlier comments  ..In regard to moaning troops, I know a larger percentage of guys who piss and moan more than some woman out in the field ..With all due respect some of the finer officers I know are of the fairer sex |
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 | Art Murray
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| Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 03:23 AM UTC |
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Combat Arms and the fairer sex is nothing new in Canada. The SD&G Highlanders (a reserve infantry regiment in 33 Brigade) was the first infantry unit in Canada to have a female "Infantry" commanading officer (she could do everything a male could do in the infantry world). As well, 41 Brigade in Calgary had a female brigade commander; armoured regiments in Canada have had female troop commanders, and finally, Captain Nichola Goddard was one of the best FOO's Canadian Artillery produced. May God rest her soul, as she was killed in combat operations in Afganistan.
So, when we say that women have no room in Combat Arms, my response, BALLS! I have served with some of the finest combat arms types of the fairer sex, and there have never been issues.
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| Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 05:52 AM UTC |
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Poor thing, she looks cold....  |
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| Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 07:07 AM UTC |
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As an ex-tankie, all I can say is it would be VERY distracting to have her as my gunner when I was commanding.
I would let her to command for a while . I have to check if my tank helmet fits my wife...  |
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| Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 10:16 AM UTC |
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Hmm, I know the German forces issue HAIRNETS to their MALE & female soldiers, so 'could be' a mis-identification still? (g)[/quote]
Those days are long gone, the Dutch never even bothered to issued hairnets to their troops in the 80-ties.
I have to agree with Art, being an ex-TC myself and company XO it‘s more down to doing the job and getting it done right.
Although I never had a female crew member onboard, I have worked with some very good female soldiers, NCO and Officers out preforming their male colleagues by far. This whole gender discussion it out the window once the shooting starts and bullets don‘t really care who they hit.
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| Posted: Monday, October 12, 2009 - 02:14 PM UTC |
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Served with Men and Women in the US Army. Women were mostly in the combat support or medics. No combat arms service. (I was a Forward Observer).
I dealt with far more pissy men being upset to serve with a woman around than I ever had to deal with pissy women. Most women were high strung at having too many oversexed men around them constantly hitting on them, ESPECIALLY after drinking too much.
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