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M.A.S. 568 4a Serie
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Posted: Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 06:16 AM UTC
Hi folks,

Whilst you can see a reasonable amount of internal detail in the Officers Cabin and the Engine room, the crew compartment is only visable through a single hatch. What you will see is the decking and the ladder decending inside. Perhaps just the edge of the seating.

So a ladder was the next thing to try and construct. I used some L beam, plastic strip and some brass wire. Probably best I don't give up the day job, , but this should sufice. Because of the slatted floor in the crew quarters I needed to add a small supporting base, but I can paint this as wood so not a big issue.

Al







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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2011 - 09:46 PM UTC
Hi folks,

Boy the site is slow this morning.

Here is the ladded in place. I have added two benches and a forward flap to the crew compartment and these will more or less complete the main bits of the interior. I'll put a frame around the bog entrance but leave the door off and add some clutter to both compartments.

In the engine room I'd like to install a bilge pump , not because it's necessary but for fun and add a few tools.

When that lot is done I'll get on with the exterior of the boat.













Al
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Posted: Saturday, March 26, 2011 - 03:59 AM UTC
Decals Question

Hi Folks,

Italeri provice serial numbers in Black and Red for both Boat options. The instructions show the Black and the Hand book shows the Red in use for MAS 563.

I can't see any indication of which is correct.

Any thoughts?


Al
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Posted: Saturday, March 26, 2011 - 06:08 AM UTC

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Italeri provice serial numbers in Black and Red for both Boat options. The instructions show the Black and the Hand book shows the Red in use for MAS 563.I can't see any indication of which is correct.Any thoughts?



All of the color renderings and contemporary color (not colorized) photos of Italian naval vessels I've seen show the numbers/letters as red. Bagnasco and Brescia, in their LA MIMETIZZAZIONE DELLE NAVI ITALIANE 1940-1945, state the standard MAS number color was "rosso mattone" (brick red in English). Brescia, an artist, describes this color as similar to Humbrol 153 or Model Master 1705.



There always seem to be exceptions to the rules, so there may have been a point at which the boats sported black numbers. Certainly, the color, shape, and size of boat numbers on US PTs varied considerably over time and within different theatres of operation.

Al Ross
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Posted: Saturday, March 26, 2011 - 06:23 AM UTC
Thanks as always Al. Oddly they only give the stern number in Black, but Red it is then.

Cheers

Alan
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Posted: Sunday, March 27, 2011 - 04:40 AM UTC
Hi folks.

I don't know how the Italian Navy operated, for the ordinary sailor I imagine things would have been pretty sparce and discipline at times extreme. On a small boat, depending on the Captain, I would think things a bit more relaxed but I could be wrong as that era woud be a master/Servent type relationship.

I've added a bit more to the officers cabin, a few pin ups, magazines and orders. Some costal charts seem appropriate and in one corner I'll add some stores heaped up.

The crew quarters I've been more formal but given them a good luck lady as this boat has a decent Captain .

I was thinking of a standing pump at the rear engine room bulkhead, simply because it's a bit empty there and that area is pretty visible.

Only thing left will be a bottle or two of wine in the Officer quarters and they can move in

Any thoughts?

Crew Quarters





Officers Cabin







Engine Room





Alan
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Posted: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 - 06:51 AM UTC
Hi folks,

Time to call a halt to the interior and get on with the kit build.



Seemed a good point to add some decals.



Al
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Posted: Friday, April 01, 2011 - 10:26 PM UTC
Hi folks,

The top deck is attached by means of 7 small screws, although you get 9 in the packet. The screws are hidded under various fittings that are then attach to the deck.

The torpedo tube brackets will need a little clean up, but fit together easily.

I started on one of the crew. The skipper can be placed inside the wheelhouse or used externally although the angle of the arms would beed to be changed for external use.

Make sure you have drilled all the holes you will need before fitting the upper deck and feed the rope cable throught for the rudder.

Al











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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2011 - 03:57 AM UTC
Hi folks,

Test fitted the torpedos. These link in to a fitting just to the aft of the engine room and into the bracket holders. There is PE to add around the front of the bracket and I was thinking it would be better to test fit them as now then remove the torpedo with bracket attached and add the straps.



Not sure if these sat on the beam of the cross member or above it slightly. I'll have to check a few pics.

Al
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2011 - 09:13 PM UTC
Some more work on the deck fittings.









I'd recommend painting as much as you can before you fit it. Trying to paint stuff once on the boat is pretty tricky.

Al
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Posted: Sunday, April 03, 2011 - 03:30 AM UTC
Right folks,

Some work on the starboard side torpedo. These are supported by 3 additional support brackets. Fairly simple. The forward bracket has a small supporting piece of PE to add and I found when I added this the torpedo sat above the other two brackets! So I filed this small fitting down until I got as close as possible to the weapon sitting on all three support brackets. Has anyone else had this problem?

I used some rolled lead wire for the two additional clasps on the torpedo as the brass ones in the kit tend to spring The douboe fitting were OK to work with.

Al







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Posted: Sunday, April 03, 2011 - 12:01 PM UTC
Hello Alan, Looking really sweet, I love what you did with the interior, particularly the engine room. You can take some of the 'springiness' out of PE parts by annealing them. Just heat the parts slowly and carefully and then allow them to cool. Be really careful with delicate parts, they can melt if too much heat is applied. I found that out while working with some PE for a 1/72 U-boat. Al
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Posted: Sunday, April 03, 2011 - 05:34 PM UTC
Hi Al,

Thanks for looking in, the comments and the advice; appreciated.

Cheers

Alan
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2011 - 04:24 AM UTC
Nice owrk Al, now I am really inspired to get mine out of the loft and under way.

Si
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2011 - 04:56 AM UTC
Hi Simon,

Thanks. Glad you dropped in I was starting to think this was a one man and his blog scenario

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2011 - 05:46 AM UTC
I've been lurking as well getting inspired and genuinely impressed.
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2011 - 09:49 AM UTC
Hi Wallace,

Thanks. Blogs are wierd threads, sometimes they are lively other times you can feel like you're posting to yourself. Feedback is always useful, what they are about really.

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2011 - 10:44 AM UTC
One of the reasons that I'm usually reluctant to jump in is that a congratulatory posting wouldn't really add much of practical value and it pops up as an e-mail notification that begs investigation. After five in a row, I tend to get neglectful of the thread (LOL).

But I take your point about feedback and it's quite valid. Otherwise the OP of a valuable thread like this one gets the feeling he's talking to an empty audience. This is a view of it I had not previously considered.

Many thanks for investing the time and effort (which I know is not inconsiderable) to post this fascinating build. I'm itching to get going on mine. But I have to finish up the seven started projects to make room.

Wally.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 - 03:06 AM UTC
Hi Wallace,

Not being a boat builder nor real sea dog I rely on others to point me in the right direction .

One simple bit I missed was the hole in the deck for the mast post just behind the 20mm. Not sure why, just too many other considerations going on perhaps so as above just check you have all the holes drilled for the various deck fitings before you secure things down.

I'm glad you've found the blog useful so far, makes the effort worthwhile.

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 - 04:46 AM UTC
Hi folks,

Here we are with the torpedos fitted. There is a large brass plate that fits on top of the structure plus two smaller plates.

I've also fitted the railings. Step 30 of the instructions shows a slightly alternative end arrangement on the railings but gives no indication of what type of boat it was used on so I've opted for the simple solution. The drawings show the cable running to the inside of the end of the railing but I've left mine on the outside as it fits the natural run of the wire.

I haven't glued the two ends that attatch to the wheelhouse as I'll need to remove that to do some more work and add the internal figure.

I also had no problem with the second portside support for the torpedo - that seems to fit fine.









Al
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Posted: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 - 07:32 AM UTC
Don't forget the hatch cover for the fuel compartment access.

Al
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Posted: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 - 03:33 AM UTC
Hi Al,

I hadn't forgotten, but my thinking on the crew has changed in light of the fact I want to model the boat with as many hatches open as possible.

If you've seen my thread on 1/35 Axis sailors you'll get where I'm coming from.

http://modelshipwrights.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=174122&page=1#1462443

So I'll either place it in the hands of a Sailor or on the deck as a half figure squeezing out of the hole is a possibility.

Cheers

Alan
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Posted: Friday, April 08, 2011 - 05:24 AM UTC
Hi folks,

Some more work on adding the forward and mid hatches and the remaining fittings for the wheel house exterior

Al





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Posted: Friday, April 08, 2011 - 06:19 PM UTC
This is a really magnificent build Alan, I am enjoying every step of the construction.
Julian
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Posted: Friday, April 08, 2011 - 10:43 PM UTC
Hi Julian,

Thank you, it is a fun build.

The only part of the kit that I think is 'poor' is the life raft. It's moulded to the supporting frame and just looks flat. It might be more acceptable when it is painted up but an AM replacement or a good scratch build job might be better.

Other than that I think Italeria have produced a really great kit and with some terrific paint options to finish it off, folks should really enjoy the build.

Cheers

Al