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M.A.S. 568 4a Serie
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2011 - 03:31 AM UTC
Hello Alan, It is really coming together and looking very good. I'm still awaiting delivery of my kit and your build has helped me get through the anticipation. I'd like to know, did you make the supports for the open hatches, or did the kit supply them? Al
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2011 - 07:27 AM UTC
Hi Al,

The supports come with the kit. A plastic one for the forward hatch and PE ones for the 4 above the officers cabin. The other 2 above th engine room are just brass rod. I put them as central fittings but they may have been side ones!

Been adding a bit more to the stern. The bowed structure is a bit difficult to organise. The small mast is supported by two stays that should just fit into the pole. However, there appears to be a bit of over spill of the spur joint so any holes that were meant to be there aren't. I just trimmed off the location point on the end of the rods and attached them to the pole. The bowed structure should align centrally with the pole but you have very strong springy legs here and mine sits slightly off despite much effort to get it aligned. The stern pole on the other hand is fine and the stays there fit as they should.

When you get to fitting the Breda make sure the base of the gun is the correct way around. Look at the instructions and you'll see the correct mounting, otherwise the weapon will sit too far up the deck and clash with the bowed frame.



When you're making the depth charge rack, the top needs to be flat to the sides of the structure otherwise the bar that goes over the top won't connect with the deck. You make remember I has a problem with the turning rack on the end. I drilled out some fresh holes and inserted a piece of brass rod to help sort out that problem, so when working with parts 43F be careful removing tham and cleaning them up. I have still a couple of parts to add to this fitting.

Talking depth charges should these be a much darker colour?





Cheers

Al
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2011 - 12:15 AM UTC
Hi folks,

On with the ammo bins. These come as two parts of two bins each. You may need to file down the seem. The kit supplies nice PE handles for the side of the ammo bins. They are held in a PE frame consisting of two parts. If you solder then great if not they CA glue like me. The main support bracket and bin are one part and to that you need to add a back frame. The tops of the frame supports need rounded as they hang from the railings. These sit on a PE base. There are six of these to assemble.







Al

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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2011 - 04:33 AM UTC
Hello Alan, Thanks for the info. I don't know if you are aware that the 'bowed structure' is a depression rail. It is meant to keep the gun from traversing completely around towards the bow. Thus preventing an over zealous gunner from shooting up his own boat in the heat of battle. You see the same sort of rails around the gun tubs, and on the stern, of the American PT boats. Al
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2011 - 06:47 AM UTC
Hi Al,

Thanks, knew the purpose but not the correct termanology - coming to the last stages of the build now then touch up and finish off the painting.

The kit supplies sufficient rope/wire for the masts but I though it was a bit thick so used 0.02mm wire instead. This is how things stand at the moment:

















Starting to look busy now, just these to add, then check the instructions to see if I missed anything



Al
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2011 - 06:51 AM UTC
Based on photos in MAS I MEZZI, the depth charges were painted several colors. In this photo, they are about the same shade as the deck (grigio scurro), while in others, they are about the same shade as the sides (grigio chiaro).



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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2011 - 07:00 AM UTC
Thanks Al,

Probably too late with the pic as I just fixed them into place today. Murphy's Law. I'll see if I can darken them.



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Posted: Monday, April 11, 2011 - 07:49 AM UTC
Hi folks,

These are the final construction pictures. I'm awaiting a few crew and need to complete the painting but as far as the build of the kit goes it's done. I've left the option of removing the wheelhouse in case I want to add a figure there.

I'm undecided about the life raft, I might just leave it off or if I get creative build the frame.

Thanks to all who popped in to lend support and advice, especially Al Ross, whom you can blame for all this.

It was certainly a challenging build and I'm pretty pleased with the result so far, some things could be better but a great learning experience.

Italeri have produced a grand kit, watch out for the spindle on the depth charge rack, but if you're building or planning to build this one then you should have a lot of fun. I'll look forward to seeing some alternatives with those cool camo schemes.

Cheers

Alan















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Posted: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 05:25 AM UTC
Al after following your great build I,am looking forward to the end of the month when I,ll be on the look out for this kit for myself at the Perth ( Scotland ) show and hope to build it before the end of the year. With your hints and tips that I,ve picked up from this thread I,am sure it will be a lot easier build to complete Thank you
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Posted: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 06:06 AM UTC
A great build Alan, looks fantastic ! It's a real shame that you can't see all the work you put in the "innards".
Julian
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Posted: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 07:27 AM UTC
Hi Julian and Keith,

Glad you enjoyed the build. I was looking through the pamphlet that comes with the kit last night and there is a picture of MAS 563 on page 5. This shows the boat with a taller central mast behind the cockpit although the diagram of the boat on page 19 shows it as per the kit.

Either there was a change at some point or Italeri decided one size fits all, I'm not sure which, so I might see if I can fashion a taller version or perhaps someone can throw some light on the difference?

I'm looking forward to their Vosper which I hope isn't too far away.

Thanks for the comments and input.

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 - 12:03 PM UTC
Great build Alan, I really enjoyed following along and it gave me plenty of food for thought when I finally get mine. Al
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Posted: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 - 03:20 AM UTC
Hi Al,

Thanks, and thanks for the help, glad you enjoyed it.

Alan

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Posted: Friday, April 15, 2011 - 10:10 PM UTC
Hi folks,

DId anyone have any thoughts on the central mast issue?

I've had a go at making one. As best I can tell it would sit central to the back of the wheel house. If anyone has additional info please let me know before I fit it in place

Worked on a few of the crew as well. They seem kitted out more for the 4a boat but as 563 was in the med I though white trousers might suit better?







Thanks

Alan
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 01:01 AM UTC
Hi folks,


Here's the alternative mast in place



Looking at the info Skipper sent me on Italian Naval uniforms I could probably paint the whole uniform in white, so I'll change one and see how it looks.

Al
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 01:40 AM UTC
Hi Alan. I was wondering where you dissappeared to .
Excellent build ... love the fact you added an interior ... not many will attempt this. Cool model actually ... Im somewhat tempted!
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 02:25 AM UTC
Hi Frank,

Yes, I needed a change. It was suppposed to be a nice OOB build but developed a life of its own.

It'sa grand kit and a lot of fun - nice to try something very different although all other projects are further behind than before

I'm looking forward to their Vosper, thanks for dropping in, the kits worth investigating if you'd like a change.

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 10:34 PM UTC
Hi folks.

With the new mast painted (?) and some figures for scale.

Al









Al
PS anyone got any reccomdendations for rigging thread?

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Posted: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 09:25 PM UTC
Hi folks,

A bit of an update.

Some work on the internals of the wheel house, added some catches and fittings top the windows and the small electrical motors on the front screens (plastic rod). A bit more work on the 3 crew.

Been off work with the flu so haven't had much energy to press on.

Al









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Posted: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 09:34 PM UTC
Hi Alan figures are looking good to did you get any ansewer to your rigging question ??. No expert buy anymeans but I sometimes use different gauges of fishing line can be obtained from any local angling shop maybe 1 ounce high strength might do for 1/35. This is a little thicker than the half ounce i use on 1/72 stuff
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Posted: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 09:48 PM UTC
Thanks Keith,

I've been using lead wire which is OK but I had to join two lengths when I changed the mast, hence the question.

I used 0.2mm for the original and 0.3mm which is slightly stronger for the last effort.

There was a post several years ago about rigging thread but I couldn't find it.

Cheers

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Posted: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 11:29 PM UTC
The only problem with using lead or copper wire is in the heat conditions the model is displyed they can go to tight or slack if to hot under lights, thats what i found out to my horror at one show after i changed to the fishing line,which tends to stop as it should
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Posted: Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 09:46 PM UTC
Hi Keith

I made a small addition to the wheelhouse by adding a vein sight, a feature that appears on several of the reference pics I have. I used some brass rod for the stand, some plastic strip and rod and a scrap piece from a Sherman filed into shape for the base.

I left the base for the original mast in place and just drilled a small hole in it in case something pops up that I need to use it for.



Al
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Posted: Monday, April 25, 2011 - 04:28 AM UTC
Hi Guys,

With the sight done, I added the final bits of PE to the hull sides and botton. The side strips have numbers 800 decenting to 500 on them. a bit more dry brushing might bring them our better.





















Al
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Posted: Saturday, April 30, 2011 - 05:15 AM UTC
I congradulate you on a stunning build of this boat !!! I am working on mine and --- it is just an out of the box version --- yours is stunning and I have learned a lot--- I want to do anotoher one !!!
Thank you for sharing,
George