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M.A.S. 568 4a Serie
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Posted: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 10:14 AM UTC
Hi Al,

Thanks.

No expert on this weapon but the arms seems to support the gun sight which moves as the elevation as the weapon is raised. The two curves pieces with the nodules on I'm not sure about,

Alan
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Posted: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 12:06 PM UTC
Hi Alan, I know that 20mm Oerlikon guns used a similar, but much smaller, curved handle for high angle fire when mounted on the tripod mount used by PT boats. The heavy, 'Destroyer' type 20mm mount used on PT boats was capable of being raised by turning a hand wheel for high angle AA use. The tripod mount was much lower, causing the gunner to bend forward to fire the gun upwards. The curved handles fitted allowed him to tilt the gun upward at a high angle much easier. That's why I think the handles on the Breda serve the same purpose. I'm just not sure about those bumps, or nodules. If they are indeed triggers. Al
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Posted: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 05:30 PM UTC
Hi Al,

Thanks, interesting, I never knew that. You may well be correct then. They do fit down into the gun handles so that would make sense.

Cheers

Alan
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Posted: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 06:34 AM UTC
Greetings folks,

Back with a few more questions and a correction.

I realised this eveing after looking at the drawings again and remembering what Al mentioned some time ago. that the crew deck flooring was a lattice type affair so I've altered the layout to accommodate this in their quarters. Just about 15 of these to cut.



Started work on the rifle rack and just to make sure I'm not going to glue the bits on the wrong wall in this diagram Al am I correct in thinking that I'm looking forward with the side of the wardrobe to the left and the bookshelves and rifle rack to the right? Just checking



A question on the Officers Bog - a walled off side with a door or curtain on the front? Any thoughts?

Furtiture stuff - would the table have been a fold out type or fixed to the floor? Round or square with a raised edge around it?

Oh, one more thing, would there have been an access hatch in the forward bulkhead to the bow where ropes etc were stowed?

Thanks.

Alan
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 06:13 AM UTC
Hi Folks,

Added the Officers bog. Made this from a Sherman hatch cover and an upturned gun pivot left over form the 20mm plus a extra large can form the Tamiya LRDG truck for the tank., Fitted a pumping handle to the side and some plumbing, drilled a hole in the planking to fit it in so iready for use

Finished the planking in the crews quarters which gives a nice contrast but the spacing might have been a bit closer.





Al
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 09:47 AM UTC

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A question on the Officers Bog - a walled off side with a door or curtain on the front? Any thoughts?
Furtiture stuff - would the table have been a fold out type or fixed to the floor? Round or square with a raised edge around it?
Oh, one more thing, would there have been an access hatch in the forward bulkhead to the bow where ropes etc were stowed?



The drawings show an opening facing the center of the boat, but there is no indication of a door. Typically, they're shown as a line with an arc indicating how it was hinged.

Looking at the drawing, it seems that the writing surface was hinged. If you look down into the space, the desk is a backwards D shape with the straight part up against the forward bulkhead. The chair is placed quite a bit aft of that. There is a light D shape between it and the desk that is the same size and shape as the desk top. This suggests that the writing surface was hinged along the edge with the radiused corners and was flipped aft for use.

If you look at the side view drawing on page 2, you can just see two rectangles on the forward side of the forward bulkhead in the crew's compartment. If you look at the top view, you'll see what appears to be a panel between the inside of the hinges on the rectangle in the center. I suspect this is the hatch into the forecastle. It may have been hinged, but I can't tell from the drawings.



Al
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2011 - 02:39 AM UTC
Thanks Al.

Alan
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2011 - 05:24 AM UTC
Hi folks,

Table added, I've made it in two halfs, one folded on top of the other. Added some bracks and supporting legs which one would assume were needed when it extended.

Drilled the holes for the two chaires, these I pondered about but thought I'd try using hollow sherman wheels as the base. This allowed me to cut off most of the tyre and I've added a chair backing of sorts . I'll make a seat from milliput and see how it turns out. Fixing them will be by various sizes of pipe that slot into each other as what ever goes inside needs to be well secured down.

Bit of a thick base maybe but this shouldn't matter from a top view.





Also made the rifle rack but I'm still unclear which bulkhead this fixes to?



Cheers

Al
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2011 - 06:19 AM UTC

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Also made the rifle rack but I'm still unclear which bulkhead this fixes to?[



Forward bulkhead in O-country between the wardrobe and the desk.

Al
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2011 - 06:22 AM UTC
Thanks Al. Anything on the aft bulkhead apart from the radio and bog?

Alan
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2011 - 09:45 PM UTC
Hi folks,

Here's the Mk1 seating . Made a leather cushion for the bench too.





Al
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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 03:16 AM UTC
Hi folks,

Thought I'd start and add the windows. There are quite a lot in the boat and it's the first time I've really used the Italeria clear sheets. Very impressive and easy to remove the windows.

There is some PE to add to the front three but I'm not sure how best to approach this; add the PE when the windows are flat and then add them to the boat or add the windws to the boat and then add the PE. The first option might be the best. Anyone worked with these two mediums before?







The widows come with the 'frame' on which is a nice touch.

Al
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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 05:04 AM UTC
Hi folks,

These are the small PE pieces to go on the screens. Made them on the flat as that seems the best option.

Not much more to go in the interior now, getting toward time to get on with the exterior.

Al



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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 01:05 PM UTC
Wow you attention to detail is amazing but the engine room is my favorite area outstanding i will be looking for your updates.
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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 02:17 PM UTC
OK, MacNeilly,

Now that you're about done, how about converting the MAS kit to this one?

http://www.forum-marinum.fi/fi/nayttelyt-ja-museoalukset/museolaivat/moottoritorpedovene-taisto-3-tyrsky

She's alive and well in Turku, Finland.

Al

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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 09:16 PM UTC
Hi Robert,

Thanks, the engine room turned out much better than I thought. My only niggle is that I didn't get the allignment with the exhaust vents as accurate as I'd have liked but as I kinda made it up as I went along depending on what scrap parts I could muster. I thought the end result was pretty good.

Thanks for the link Al, but making the truck might be difficult . Nice looking boat. I see they have added some portholes along the side. It's good to see that some of these still survive.

On the pipe beds am I correct in assuming these could be hooked up out of the way? I had thought about varouus way of 'hanging them but the effort probably wouldn't be worth it and they might be too weakly fixed in place.

I did consider adding the cross beams to the underside of the deck, but then where do you stop I have or think I have an old tall loolking German radio from the DML kit which I though would suit but I can locate it, well not so far.

So a ladder in the crew compartment, hatch type affair to the forward stowage locker and the seating are probaby the main elements that remain to be added, plus some kit bags and personal type items.

A question on the life raft, was it always fitted in that location? Apart from having a missing foot it's not that attractive an item so when deployed what would have been left behind, four posts and a frame as outlined on the parts? Would it be acceptable to leave it off or locate it else where?

Thanks

Alan

PS: for the other Al. On the 20mm there is a picture of the gunner in a firing position in the Italeri booklet and it is clear in that that he is grasping the curved elevating firing handles so you're correct Al I believe in thinking that the nodules are firing buttons.

Al
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Posted: Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 10:48 PM UTC
Well after a bit of routing around I found a set that might do. Probably american but ....

On the wheel house windows, the possibilitiy of leaving a few open came up way back when. I believe the side ones opened out and forward but not sure about the one on the curve, up seemed logical!







Al

PS would the navigation lights have been red?

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Posted: Sunday, March 13, 2011 - 12:01 AM UTC

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PS would the navigation lights have been red?




International standard = green starboard (right side looking forward), red port (left side looking forward).
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Posted: Sunday, March 13, 2011 - 01:09 AM UTC
Thanks Dave.

Al
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Posted: Sunday, March 13, 2011 - 05:08 AM UTC
Hi folks,

With the wheel house controls fitted.



Al
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2011 - 12:51 AM UTC
Hi folks,

Well I can see you're suitably impressed

Not much done this week, added the rifle rack and small radio. I put the rifle rack on the aft bulkhead for the simple reason the forward one will be a bit too crowded when the book shelves are added.

Some paint on the fold up table and some work on the Pipe Beds.

Al





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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 07:53 AM UTC
I have found one Italian forum, have downloaded therefrom some photos, but now I can't find the link to this forum.
Here these photos












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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 05:34 PM UTC
Hi Denis,

Many thanks. Clicking on the first photo links to the site.

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 06:11 PM UTC

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Hi Denis,

Many thanks. Clicking on the first photo links to the site.

Cheers

Al


This site - my photo album
Today I have found the reference to the Italian forum. There discuss presence of two additional machine guns on a roof of an engine room and in a boat nose.
http://www.betasom.it/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t34768.html
PS: excuse for my "English"
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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 09:48 PM UTC
Denis,

Thank you for the link. These are wonderful photos and are important in that they show that at least some of the MAS carried additional weapons.

Al Ross