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M.A.S. 568 4a Serie
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2011 - 04:33 AM UTC
Hello Alan, Thanks for the info. I don't know if you are aware that the 'bowed structure' is a depression rail. It is meant to keep the gun from traversing completely around towards the bow. Thus preventing an over zealous gunner from shooting up his own boat in the heat of battle. You see the same sort of rails around the gun tubs, and on the stern, of the American PT boats. Al
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2011 - 12:15 AM UTC
Hi folks,

On with the ammo bins. These come as two parts of two bins each. You may need to file down the seem. The kit supplies nice PE handles for the side of the ammo bins. They are held in a PE frame consisting of two parts. If you solder then great if not they CA glue like me. The main support bracket and bin are one part and to that you need to add a back frame. The tops of the frame supports need rounded as they hang from the railings. These sit on a PE base. There are six of these to assemble.







Al

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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2011 - 07:27 AM UTC
Hi Al,

The supports come with the kit. A plastic one for the forward hatch and PE ones for the 4 above the officers cabin. The other 2 above th engine room are just brass rod. I put them as central fittings but they may have been side ones!

Been adding a bit more to the stern. The bowed structure is a bit difficult to organise. The small mast is supported by two stays that should just fit into the pole. However, there appears to be a bit of over spill of the spur joint so any holes that were meant to be there aren't. I just trimmed off the location point on the end of the rods and attached them to the pole. The bowed structure should align centrally with the pole but you have very strong springy legs here and mine sits slightly off despite much effort to get it aligned. The stern pole on the other hand is fine and the stays there fit as they should.

When you get to fitting the Breda make sure the base of the gun is the correct way around. Look at the instructions and you'll see the correct mounting, otherwise the weapon will sit too far up the deck and clash with the bowed frame.



When you're making the depth charge rack, the top needs to be flat to the sides of the structure otherwise the bar that goes over the top won't connect with the deck. You make remember I has a problem with the turning rack on the end. I drilled out some fresh holes and inserted a piece of brass rod to help sort out that problem, so when working with parts 43F be careful removing tham and cleaning them up. I have still a couple of parts to add to this fitting.

Talking depth charges should these be a much darker colour?





Cheers

Al
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Posted: Saturday, April 09, 2011 - 03:31 AM UTC
Hello Alan, It is really coming together and looking very good. I'm still awaiting delivery of my kit and your build has helped me get through the anticipation. I'd like to know, did you make the supports for the open hatches, or did the kit supply them? Al
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Posted: Friday, April 08, 2011 - 10:43 PM UTC
Hi Julian,

Thank you, it is a fun build.

The only part of the kit that I think is 'poor' is the life raft. It's moulded to the supporting frame and just looks flat. It might be more acceptable when it is painted up but an AM replacement or a good scratch build job might be better.

Other than that I think Italeria have produced a really great kit and with some terrific paint options to finish it off, folks should really enjoy the build.

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Friday, April 08, 2011 - 06:19 PM UTC
This is a really magnificent build Alan, I am enjoying every step of the construction.
Julian
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Posted: Friday, April 08, 2011 - 05:24 AM UTC
Hi folks,

Some more work on adding the forward and mid hatches and the remaining fittings for the wheel house exterior

Al





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Posted: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 - 03:33 AM UTC
Hi Al,

I hadn't forgotten, but my thinking on the crew has changed in light of the fact I want to model the boat with as many hatches open as possible.

If you've seen my thread on 1/35 Axis sailors you'll get where I'm coming from.

http://modelshipwrights.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=174122&page=1#1462443

So I'll either place it in the hands of a Sailor or on the deck as a half figure squeezing out of the hole is a possibility.

Cheers

Alan
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Posted: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 - 07:32 AM UTC
Don't forget the hatch cover for the fuel compartment access.

Al
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Posted: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 - 04:46 AM UTC
Hi folks,

Here we are with the torpedos fitted. There is a large brass plate that fits on top of the structure plus two smaller plates.

I've also fitted the railings. Step 30 of the instructions shows a slightly alternative end arrangement on the railings but gives no indication of what type of boat it was used on so I've opted for the simple solution. The drawings show the cable running to the inside of the end of the railing but I've left mine on the outside as it fits the natural run of the wire.

I haven't glued the two ends that attatch to the wheelhouse as I'll need to remove that to do some more work and add the internal figure.

I also had no problem with the second portside support for the torpedo - that seems to fit fine.









Al
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Posted: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 - 03:06 AM UTC
Hi Wallace,

Not being a boat builder nor real sea dog I rely on others to point me in the right direction .

One simple bit I missed was the hole in the deck for the mast post just behind the 20mm. Not sure why, just too many other considerations going on perhaps so as above just check you have all the holes drilled for the various deck fitings before you secure things down.

I'm glad you've found the blog useful so far, makes the effort worthwhile.

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2011 - 10:44 AM UTC
One of the reasons that I'm usually reluctant to jump in is that a congratulatory posting wouldn't really add much of practical value and it pops up as an e-mail notification that begs investigation. After five in a row, I tend to get neglectful of the thread (LOL).

But I take your point about feedback and it's quite valid. Otherwise the OP of a valuable thread like this one gets the feeling he's talking to an empty audience. This is a view of it I had not previously considered.

Many thanks for investing the time and effort (which I know is not inconsiderable) to post this fascinating build. I'm itching to get going on mine. But I have to finish up the seven started projects to make room.

Wally.
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2011 - 09:49 AM UTC
Hi Wallace,

Thanks. Blogs are wierd threads, sometimes they are lively other times you can feel like you're posting to yourself. Feedback is always useful, what they are about really.

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2011 - 05:46 AM UTC
I've been lurking as well getting inspired and genuinely impressed.
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2011 - 04:56 AM UTC
Hi Simon,

Thanks. Glad you dropped in I was starting to think this was a one man and his blog scenario

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2011 - 04:24 AM UTC
Nice owrk Al, now I am really inspired to get mine out of the loft and under way.

Si
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Posted: Sunday, April 03, 2011 - 05:34 PM UTC
Hi Al,

Thanks for looking in, the comments and the advice; appreciated.

Cheers

Alan
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Posted: Sunday, April 03, 2011 - 12:01 PM UTC
Hello Alan, Looking really sweet, I love what you did with the interior, particularly the engine room. You can take some of the 'springiness' out of PE parts by annealing them. Just heat the parts slowly and carefully and then allow them to cool. Be really careful with delicate parts, they can melt if too much heat is applied. I found that out while working with some PE for a 1/72 U-boat. Al
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Posted: Sunday, April 03, 2011 - 03:30 AM UTC
Right folks,

Some work on the starboard side torpedo. These are supported by 3 additional support brackets. Fairly simple. The forward bracket has a small supporting piece of PE to add and I found when I added this the torpedo sat above the other two brackets! So I filed this small fitting down until I got as close as possible to the weapon sitting on all three support brackets. Has anyone else had this problem?

I used some rolled lead wire for the two additional clasps on the torpedo as the brass ones in the kit tend to spring The douboe fitting were OK to work with.

Al







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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2011 - 09:13 PM UTC
Some more work on the deck fittings.









I'd recommend painting as much as you can before you fit it. Trying to paint stuff once on the boat is pretty tricky.

Al
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2011 - 03:57 AM UTC
Hi folks,

Test fitted the torpedos. These link in to a fitting just to the aft of the engine room and into the bracket holders. There is PE to add around the front of the bracket and I was thinking it would be better to test fit them as now then remove the torpedo with bracket attached and add the straps.



Not sure if these sat on the beam of the cross member or above it slightly. I'll have to check a few pics.

Al
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Posted: Friday, April 01, 2011 - 10:26 PM UTC
Hi folks,

The top deck is attached by means of 7 small screws, although you get 9 in the packet. The screws are hidded under various fittings that are then attach to the deck.

The torpedo tube brackets will need a little clean up, but fit together easily.

I started on one of the crew. The skipper can be placed inside the wheelhouse or used externally although the angle of the arms would beed to be changed for external use.

Make sure you have drilled all the holes you will need before fitting the upper deck and feed the rope cable throught for the rudder.

Al











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Posted: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 - 06:51 AM UTC
Hi folks,

Time to call a halt to the interior and get on with the kit build.



Seemed a good point to add some decals.



Al
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Posted: Sunday, March 27, 2011 - 04:40 AM UTC
Hi folks.

I don't know how the Italian Navy operated, for the ordinary sailor I imagine things would have been pretty sparce and discipline at times extreme. On a small boat, depending on the Captain, I would think things a bit more relaxed but I could be wrong as that era woud be a master/Servent type relationship.

I've added a bit more to the officers cabin, a few pin ups, magazines and orders. Some costal charts seem appropriate and in one corner I'll add some stores heaped up.

The crew quarters I've been more formal but given them a good luck lady as this boat has a decent Captain .

I was thinking of a standing pump at the rear engine room bulkhead, simply because it's a bit empty there and that area is pretty visible.

Only thing left will be a bottle or two of wine in the Officer quarters and they can move in

Any thoughts?

Crew Quarters





Officers Cabin







Engine Room





Alan
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Posted: Saturday, March 26, 2011 - 06:23 AM UTC
Thanks as always Al. Oddly they only give the stern number in Black, but Red it is then.

Cheers

Alan