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Vosper Motor Torpedo Boat
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Posted: Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 04:07 AM UTC
Hi Al,

Thanks. I hope Italeri produce a half decent of sailors to go with the boat in Jumpers and Duffle Coats but we'll have to wait and see.

Cheers

Alan
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Posted: Sunday, May 08, 2011 - 03:11 AM UTC
Hello Alan, nice job of converting those figures, I really like your card players, particularly the fellow scratching the back of his head. He looks like he really doesn't know which card to play. Al
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Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 02:49 AM UTC
Hi Julian,

Cards and Tea





Al
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Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 01:49 AM UTC
Magic Alan ! That will look great on deck of the Vosper.
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Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2011 - 12:16 AM UTC
Hi Keith,

The Heads are Hornet x 2 and Wee Friends x 1. The boots were a contribution form Pete Morton when he wound up Jakrei Minitures and sold the moulds in to Ian at Friendship models.

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Al
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Posted: Friday, May 06, 2011 - 11:49 PM UTC
Excellent stuff with the figures Al did you sculpt the hats or did you use a head set to replace the original
Cheers Keith
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Posted: Friday, May 06, 2011 - 10:08 PM UTC
Hi folks,

Some more potential crew I'm working on from the MB Tankers Set.





Al
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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2011 - 05:24 PM UTC
Hi Tom,

Understand what you mean, I think. The Bridge Picture Al posted in in John's book too. The caption reads: " Listed as MTB 383 (a type 1 boat), this photograph actually depicts one of the earlier Vospers - the angle front to the wheelhouse can be seen through the door".

I can't say at what period of time this was taken or if there was a change in the use of the wheelhouse to the earlier boats as some point. Al might know. There were minor changes to the equipment I believe as more kit got added.

I'll see if I can find any more info.

Cheers

Alan

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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2011 - 10:44 AM UTC
That's OK Al, I lose myself sometimes. It's awkward if you can't just show someone in person, point and say 'this is what I mean'. If you see what I mean.

Right:

Al Ross's pic of the bridge shows the wheel in the center.
too the left of this is a door leading into the wheelhouse, If you look through the door you'll see the voicetube (port bulkhead) extending up from a shelf with a wooden document holder below it; and then passing through another. To the right (inboard) of this you'll see the engine telegraphs as depicted in the 1940 wheelhouse pic. The 1940 pic has the wheel mounted on a bulkhead abaft (towards the camera from this perspective) pivoting between the telegraphs and the compass. You should be able to see the left hand half of the wheel through the doorway And 1/4 of it against the white panel visible through the bottom of the doorway.
I think that later in the war the wheel was moved to the bridge.
The pic you posted of the bridge (Al posted) could be a later pic (or visa versa I suppose) than the one copied from J. Lambert's book of #73 (there's some sort of canister thingie bolted to the port bulkhead above the door) and different blanking plates (circular instead of hexagonal) behind the bridge wheel. and looking through the door at the white panel there appears to be a quarter of wheel visible.
So, to sumarize. If you decide on a later war boat there might not be a wheel in the wheelhouse. I believe that in the 73' boats (Airfix kit) that space was used as a chart room.
I'm trying to visualize where I'd put a model of this size so I can seriously think about buying one.
TTFN
Tom


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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2011 - 08:28 AM UTC
Hi Tom,

Sorry but you've lost me.

This is the picture Al posted of the Bridge on one of the early Vospers.



This is the picture he posted of the wheelhouse on another 1940 boat which shows some of the developments in the wheelhouse.



Allied Torpedo Boats page 113 and page 115 show both both the bridge and wheelhouse of MTB 73 and both have the ships wheel in place, so have I missed something here or am I simply not understanding what you are saying?

Ignore the 2 pictuers I posted they are of the later Type 1 boat in which was different.

These are referenced form John Lambert's book, they show the Bridge and Wheelhouse for MTB 73.





Hope that clarified your question.

Al
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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2011 - 07:15 AM UTC
Alan,
That's not what the pic of the bridge tells me!
The ship's wheel in the wheelhouse virtually touches the shelf where the voicepipe emerges from.
In the latter bridge shot, you can see through the doorway into the wheelhouse but there's no wheel visible.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/alross2/bridge.jpg
I guess this pic was taken later in the war and the ship's wheel has been moved to the bridge to ease communications between the watch office and helmsman.
Sorry, the pic didn't do what I wanted it to!
Tom
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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2011 - 03:33 AM UTC
A larger picture from the Verona Expo.



Shown as MTB 77, bottom left. Accoding to Vospers in Action MTB 77 served in the Med and was sunk by German Aircraft off Vibo Valencia on 8th Sep 43.

Al
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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2011 - 03:07 AM UTC
Hi Garth,

Done.

Here's another MTB 307 in Sep 43, similar scheme.



Al
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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2011 - 01:56 AM UTC
Hi Alan,

May I ask you for a favor?

That photo of that Vosper in that distinctive camouflage scheme that you posted ...

Could you please email it to me, thank you.

Garth
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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2011 - 12:04 AM UTC
Hi folks,

I think MTB 353 might be a good option for the 20mm and 0.5 inch Vickers turret.. This was a 1942 boat but I think the spec was the same as the 1940s boats?

Any thoughts from the experts?

I'll have to look for suitable pictures of earlier boats too.

Cheers

Alan
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 11:34 PM UTC
Hi Tom,

Sorry missed your edit. The early boats from the pics Al posted had both a Bridge and Wheelhouse ships wheel.

The type1 boats that were 73ft had a different bridge layout. These were Nos 379 to 395 of 1944. As far as I can tell from the drawing of the bridge and wheelhouse they had the ships wheel in both locations but Al would probably be the best person to answer that.

Cheers

Alan
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 11:18 PM UTC
Hi Tom,

Yes, There are a lot of varations in each batch of boats and of course changes in hull length with the different types, all very confusing for a land lubber .

The Fairmile Ds would have made a great kit.

I wonder if Italeri will offer an option of 18 or 21 inch torpedos? That would be a very useful option as MBT 74 when converted had the lighter 18 inch tubes added.

If I've read my data correctly MTB 73 to 98 formed the 1940s batch of boats being 72ft 6in x 19ft 21 /2 in.

The 1942 boats being numbers 347 to 362 also had the same hull dimentions and armament.

These will probably set the options as the earlier and later boats boats changed in hull length and width.

Nos 222 to 245 also had the same dimentions but I believe were armed with twin 20mm (currently not available) rather than the twin Vickers 0.5 guns.

I'll be looking at the early batch 73 to 98 as I believe a forward 20mm was added to these in late 43 early 44 but I need to establish if it was on the Mk i mount or included the band stand or if both options exist. lol, lol

So I'll need to study the available pics in more detail and see what might be best.

Exciting times thought.

Cheers

Alan
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 10:39 PM UTC
Hi Al,
I do admire your sense of 'Getting Prepared'.
One thing I'm curious about is the oerlikon mount pedestal. You'll have to check the boats were fitted with this type.
I can remember a pic of a trot of boats (one armed with a 20mm forward) on a previous thread with what look like lightening holes in the pedestal
The boats with shark teeth are Fairmile D's and would be a great kit in 35th scale with their Mediterranean MGB style weapons fit.
TTFN
Tom

Edit: I have a question about the bridge layouts.

Did the early boats have the ships wheel on the bridge? I've always thought they had their wheel in the wheelhouse forward of the bridge as per (Al ross) detail pic.
Could the 72' 6'' boat in the bridge pic have had it retro fitted?
Comparing the two pics posted I think You could see the wheelhouse wheel next to the voicepipe through the doorway in the Bridge view if it was fitted.
Tom
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 11:32 AM UTC
Hi Al,

I would hope like the MAS boat that will be included but good to see a picture of it in case anything important is missing.

Cheers

Alan
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 09:16 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Hi Al,

Thanks, To the rescue as always. Oh look an Interior .

Alan



You mean this interior???
Al
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 08:34 AM UTC
Hi Al,

Thanks, To the rescue as always. Oh look an Interior .

Alan
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 08:10 AM UTC

Quoted Text

A couple of pics of the inside of the wheel house. Not sure which version through?Al



Based on the Vosper factory and John's drawings, the upper photo is of a 523-530, 532 series 73' type, while the lower photo is of a 379-395 series 73' type. The earlier 72'6" type (like the kit) looked like this:


Al Ross
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2011 - 03:24 AM UTC
A couple of pics of the inside of the wheel house. Not sure which version through?

Edit

I've removed the 2 pics as they refer to a late type of boat and might be confusing.

Al

I also came across this one of MTB 74 which was used in the Naziere Raid.



Al
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Posted: Saturday, April 30, 2011 - 02:09 AM UTC
Hi Julian,

I had been hoping for an RN boat ever since the ELCO got announced .

A MGB would have been better but this one will do just fine.

Alan
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Posted: Saturday, April 30, 2011 - 02:04 AM UTC
Looks like someone can hardly wait for the Vosper to arrive
A nice collection of figures and add ons though Alan,
Julian