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Build blog for Heller's HMS Victory
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Posted: Thursday, June 21, 2018 - 12:28 PM UTC
Tim this really is becoming a labour of love for you!

Amazing how you've taken this ol' girl and breathed new life into the kit.

A pleasure to watch
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Posted: Thursday, June 21, 2018 - 02:36 AM UTC
Construction notes:

I put together the shrouds for the middle section of the main mast...things went pretty well:



Then, after putting the ratlines on, on the other side, I noticed the shrouds were crossed:



My first thought was to just let it go, but then I decided that this wasn't going to fly. So I removed the ratlines (thank goodness for nail polish remover!), fixed the shrouds, and reattached the ratlines:



In other stuff, as I was working on the middle section of the main and foremast, I noticed that the bottom ends are...contoured?...and should fit only way into the mast tops. Here's the orientation of the fore mast, followed by the main mast:









The good news is, I got the middle section of the main mast attached, as well as the main top cap, and the yellow support post that goes between the top and the cap. Even though this was only 3 parts that got attached, it really gave me a good sense of accomplishment. I also changed the construction manner of the main mast - with the mizzen mast, I put it together before installing it on the hull; with the main mast, I'm putting it together with it already installed in the hull. This is mostly because I wanted to get the mainstays installed, and see how those stays would go together.




In other news, this new privacy and data protection stuff that's been enacted in Europe is sort of a pain in the butt. When I tried to log-in to cubeupload, I had to submit an e-mail address, plus change my password. Good thing I write all this stuff down!!

As always, thanks for taking a peek. Hope everyone is enjoying the summer!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - 10:52 PM UTC
Warren & JJ,

Thank you for your kind comments.

JJ, at my current pace, commissioning might actually happen in the next decade!!

Just to update all: work schedule has been getting in the way of much follow-up, but I have started to paint the middle sections of the fore and mainmasts. This painting is to paint the ends of each mast element black. Of course, as I do the painting, I'm thinking about how I need to make the shrouds for these sections on the mast. Gee, if I did as much "doing" on this model as I did "thinking about", I would have finished it years ago!!

Anyway, thanks again for your comments!!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - 03:12 PM UTC
Amazing work Tim
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Posted: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - 02:36 PM UTC
Hi Tim!

Yes, I'm still there and following, for now more like catching up...real life is simply really busy for me these days - all fine but not much time at home...

Wow, now that's some progress here - and really, light at the end of the tunnel!! She's looking mighty fine, and I think it's simply amazing, your patience and endurance and dedication to fight through all the rigging, and all the issues with Heller's 'magic instructions'!

You're definitely doing a great job here, and it looks like we can hope for a commissioning here not too far out!!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Thursday, May 24, 2018 - 05:41 AM UTC
So I managed to finish putting the "snaking" on the mainstay (the snaking is the small thread run between the stays). At first, I tried using one continue length of thread, and wrap it around one stay, make a loop, and then move the thread to either the upper or lower stay. Well, after a times of this, I didn't like the way things were turning out (and sorry for the pic being out of focus):



So in thinking things over, I decided to cut individual pieces of thread, and then glue each individual thread in place (each short thread is 5 mm). Things got a little tight in the middle of the stay, as the two stays were very close together, but things turned out ok in the end. I put all these individual threads between the stays from the starboard side; there's a bit of a bias there, when you look at the ship from other angles.

Here's another out of focus picture, but it sort of shows the snaking at the top of the stays:



And here's a long view. It doesn't show the snaking in detail, but at least it's in focus!!



Next steps: more painting!

Thanks for looking. Any comments or questions, ask away!
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Posted: Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 12:31 AM UTC
Finished (for the most part) the main stay and main stay preventer; I wanted to post this pictures today, so there's still some clean-up to do:











And, of course, a shout-out to my helper:



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Posted: Saturday, April 28, 2018 - 01:00 AM UTC
Well, I see in my previous posts, the pictures aren't there. I wonder what happened.

Things so far: I've been working on finishing the jeer blocks that are attached to the futtocks, and getting ready to install the mainstays.

Previously, I was working on the mizzen foretop yard, getting all the blocks installed. Since there're so many blocks, I put tags on all the blocks, so I could keep straight what goes where (and apologies if I already posted this picture):



Some stuff about the jeer blocks. Here's a comparison picture:



Here's some photos of how I lashed the jeer block strops:





About the mainstay: In Longridge's book, he writes about how there is a thing called a "mouse" that holds the eye of the stay in place, up near the mast top. To make these mice, I took some 2.5 mm plastic rod, chucked it into my drill press, and used a file to turn it into a conical shape. Each mouse is about 2.5 mm long, and I tried to taper it down to 1.5 mm. Once that was done, and the part cut off the rod, I used a #61 (0.039 inch diameter) drill bit to make the initial hole, then used a knife blade to ream out the rest of the hole, so that the 1 mm thread would slide through the mouse. 1 mm is actually like 0.04 inches, so that's why the knife was used. (And even though, in scale, the mainstay is actually about 1.3 mm in diameter, the largest thread I have is 1 mm). Here's some pictures of the finished parts:













And here's a couple of view of the mouse tentatively in place:





I had to be careful at this point, as I was so happy that my ideas were working out, I was already to gluing the mouse in place. But then I realized the mast isn't glued in place, nor is the top, so I had to reel myself in.

Here's a bigger view:



This last picture has the mainstay going through the half-heart that was installed quite some time ago. The stay actually is fitted with heart down at this end, and is then lashed to the half-heart. But all that will happen soon, after I get the mainmast and top cemented into place.




As always, thanks for taking a look. I think I actually see some light at the end of the tunnel!!

p.s. I just noticed that the posting I made about creating the half-hearts for the mainstay, and installing those parts, was back on Nov 6 2017. So, six months to get this little bit of stuff done, I figure I'll be busy with this build for a long, long time!!
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Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2018 - 03:08 PM UTC

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Hi Tim!

Sorry for my so delayed reply! This is indeed amazing work, and it's always fun and interesting to follow your build. I hope you could make some progress over the last weeks - I'm looking forward to you next update and see Victory's sail come up sometime!

Cheers,
Jan



Jan!!

Good to hear from you, and I hope all is well with you!! I found your blog on HMS Hood that you started some time back - that was some real amazing fold-up work on the PE parts that became the 0.5 inch machine gun mounts (your describing it as some kind of oragami is very accurate!) I haven't gotten to the end of your blog, so I'm looking forward to finishing it.

Progress is proceeding. I think I've FINALLY got the all the (touch up) painting done on the masts, so next steps are glue the masts into place, attached the lower shrouds, and put the fore- and mainstays in place (I was doing some preliminary work for the stays today). So maybe by this coming weekend, I'll have some photos to post, showing a lot of progress.

And thanks for writing!!
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Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2018 - 11:16 PM UTC
Hi Tim!

Sorry for my so delayed reply! This is indeed amazing work, and it's always fun and interesting to follow your build. I hope you could make some progress over the last weeks - I'm looking forward to you next update and see Victory's sail come up sometime!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 - 07:02 AM UTC
HiiiiiHooooo! HiiiiiHooooo!

HiHo
HiHo
It's off to school we go
we learn some junk and
then we flunk
HiHo-HiHoHiHoHiHo


A- hem

Oh boy, it seems that I've been all over the place, doing a little of this, a little of that. The biggest accomplishment has been getting the jeer block strop lashings completed on the foremast. It took about 2 weeks to get it done, only because every time I turned a corner on the futtock, I usually waited for the glue to cure at least overnight. It would have been very helpful if Heller had put little or hooks or something on the futtock, to hold the lashing in place (it would have been helpful if Heller had done a better job on the instructions, but I digress). One reason I'm doing the work I'm doing right now, is because a lot of this stuff is best done "off-model", and a also because the fore and main stays wrap around the mast top, on top of all this other stuff that's happening. Here's a picture of all the things happening there:


As you can see, the jeer strops are sort of "underneath" the stays, as well as some other rigging. In the above picture, I outline the strop lashings in red and green (red to port, green to starboard. Get it? Of course you do). The jeer block strops are outlined in yellow, and the stay is outlined in pink. One interesting thing, and I mentioned this when I was assembling the mizzen mast, are what to do with the rings that are on the back side of the top. In the picture, you'll noticed that they're not really rigged to anything; in Heller's instructions, it shows a double set of blocks are attached to each ring. I only one set of the double set of blocks being used in the instructions, and it's a bit dodgy as to what all the connect to...it just reinforces my decision not to use the rings for anything (well, at least, at this time).

So here's some close-ups of the jeer block strop lashings - when I first started this process, I tied the holding knot on the high side of the...the thing on the side of the futtock:



Doing this, I had to make each loop around the futtock lower than the one before. Here's another picture, with just the starboard lashings started:



Now, on the port side, I started the lashing's knot at the bottom, and worked my way up. This seemed to work a little bit better...until got the 7th turn done, and found myself with not enough thread to finish the knot. Fortunately, I had left a lot of excess from the initial knot, and as I made each turn, I pulled that excess up through the turns. Therefore, I had enough thread to wrap around the thingy on the side of the futtock, and get it all cemented in place:



This next picture shows the black thread that will become the strop - even though there is some slack underneath the lashings, I figured it would be easier to have the thread in place before I started the lashings. And because the thread is black, I put some paper underneath it, just to give it some contrast.



I've noticed in the various drawings I've looked at, that there are 7 turns of the lashings for each strop. So I tried to replicate that here. Unfortunately, as you can see, some of the turns of the thread overlapped, or a gap was in between turns:



So here's a couple of views with the lashing completed, the mast top just put in place, and a jeer block that is somewhat attached.



Here again is a similar view, it's just taken from a slightly lower angle. And again, I haven't cut the whole thing loose from the shroud-making frame, so that's the black finger-like projections that are in the center right of the picture.



Now, for the jeer block, especially that one that is taped in place in the pix, I wanted to use the strop, and run it completely around the block, then lash the bitter end to the standing end. However, it looks like, on this particular strop, I'm a bit short in length (I'm guessing as to its length; the other side is longer). So I was huffin' & puffin' on the treadmill, and I came up with the answer: use a separate thread to tie around the block, put a loop at one end of the block (that will become the upper end, in this case), and then slide the strop through the loop, and lash the strop back unto itself. Sheer brilliance! I can't wait to make that happen.

In other news, I had previously assembled the blocks to the lower mizzen yard. In determining which direction the blocks should face, I found that two of them face forward (towards the mainmast)...I don't have my notes with me, so I can't tell you what threads they are. However, at the end of the thread in the instructions, there's a little box, that indicates I should go to instruction (I think it's 29 and 24) to find more details about the placement of the thread. Well, 29 is instructions on rigging the sails & such, and didn't show me anything. I went to instruction 24, and after about 10 minutes (seriously!) I found that the start point for those particular threads are on the mainmast - which then go back to the mizzen yard block, back to blocks on the mainmast, and then down to their belaying point. While checking on those details, I saw also that Heller indicates a couple of other sets of blocks get tied to the mainmast, for other rigging. Buuuuuuuuut, in the instructions for rigging the sails on the mainmast, the drawing shows the other sets of blocks get attached to the shrouds. I checked my 2 reference books, and neither one really indicates if those blocks are attached to the mast, or to the shrouds. Decisions, decisions!!

So, I hope to post some more tidbits soon (but I doubt it - I'll be working on those strop lashings on the main mast, so it'll be a while before I post again, I guess). One thing I have done recently, though, is to cut out a small portion of the main yard, so that it fits against the mainmast with more surface area.

So, peace, love, and understanding, and thanks for reading!!
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Posted: Sunday, February 18, 2018 - 07:45 PM UTC

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The rigging Madman continues...

Hands down, Tim, I never could do this - your patience and will to continue is awesome! And the results you achieve as well. I'm just astonished with your endeavor to fight through this complicated mess of ropes and lines...

Cheers,
Jan



Thanks, Jan! Believe it or not, I'm having a grand time doing all this! Stick around for the next post - I think you'll like it!!

Cheers and ,

Tim
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Posted: Saturday, February 17, 2018 - 01:08 AM UTC
The rigging Madman continues...

Hands down, Tim, I never could do this - your patience and will to continue is awesome! And the results you achieve as well. I'm just astonished with your endeavor to fight through this complicated mess of ropes and lines...

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Saturday, February 17, 2018 - 01:06 AM UTC
The Beast, so far.
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Posted: Monday, February 12, 2018 - 06:32 PM UTC
Thanks, Kev. I appreciate your comments. Stay tuned for more!!
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Posted: Monday, February 12, 2018 - 01:33 PM UTC
A beautiful model coming together here.
Thank you for taking the time to show how you're are going about the rigging.

Looking forward to further posts

Kev
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Posted: Sunday, February 11, 2018 - 06:23 AM UTC
So, work progress. I've managed to get the blocks that go under the maintop installed. Here's a series of photos, with this first photo showing the length of the thread I used. I used this length so my fat fingers had enough room to grab things!:



This is how I set things up, so I would have some tension on the thread, while the glue dried:



The first block I installed hung down quite a bit; the second one was a bit higher up, and I managed to get the third & fourth blocks to be about the same length. So I got smart, and decided I should try to make all the blocks hang down the same length. I set the piece of tape so that the blocks would hang down by about 12 or 13 mm:



Then try and get the block lined-up with the tape:



Then make the thread tight, and glue it:



And then the final knot:



And here is about what the whole shebang looks like:



I also started attaching the blocks to the mizzen "bare yard", as Heller calls it. The instructions indicate that the blocks for the topgallant (?) sail sheet line, and the mizzen bare yard lift line, are attached to each other. So here's my interpretation of how that is done:



In other news, I was thinking of just tying the straps that hold the jeer blocks, to the cleats that are on the futtock. But the more I thought about it, I think I've figured out a way to make it look more authentic. But more on that later. I've also started adding the blocks to the mizzen "bare yard", and I'm doing that before I paint the yardarm. I figured the layer of paint on top of the thread holding the blocks in place will act as some extra adhesive. Also, if you're into counting time, it took me about an hour to complete the installation of the "P" blocks (there's 4 of them) on the main top. I know, it seems like a lot of time to do something relatively simple, but not being in a hurry seems to make things turn out better.

Thanks for taking a look.

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Posted: Sunday, February 04, 2018 - 12:29 AM UTC
Just some updating: I've been making the collars that go around the mainmast, that will hold the mizzen stays as they go to their belaying point:




Here's my version of some hand-made hearts, which will be used on the fore & main stays:



And here's the completed main lower shrouds in place, but not completed:



And finally, the lower fore shrouds under construction:



For everyone who watches the Super Bowl this evening, may your favorite team win!!
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Posted: Sunday, January 07, 2018 - 07:25 AM UTC
Well, I finished painting the bands on the fore and main masts. Fortunately, when I removed the tape, there was minimal peeling of the yellow paint, so touch-up was pretty easy. For the touch-up on the bands, and for some of the smaller indications of the bands, I used a felt tip marker (a fine tipped marker). Here's how the fore & main masts (bottom sections) turned out:





Here's some pictures with the preventer collar stays in place, and one with stays (tentatively) in place:







Lastly, and just for fun, I ran some thread through some of the upper blocks on the mizzenmast. When I was painting & preparing the blocks, my thoughts were "gee, these things are small". But once I put some thread through them, it seemed that the blocks were a lot bigger - almost too big! But I did this just because I'm anxious to start the rigging (which is still a ways away).



In other news, I'm about 3/4 of the way done with fabricating the main lower shrouds. I'm doing about 10 - 15 ratlines at a pop, and with 12 vertical elements to the shroud, that's at least 120 crossing points that need glued!

Also, I got an e-mail from what might be the last remaining hobby store in the county, informing me that they're closing their doors by the end of the month. I went there Saturday, hoping to maybe pick up some deals...unfortunately, it looked like they had already gone through and cherry-picked the stuff they were sending to other stores, so there wasn't a whole lot to grab. I did, however, get some solid Plastruct rods, for future use as a "mouse" on the main & fore stays (more on this later).

Aside from all that, though, I'm very pleased with the airbrushing of the remaining mast elements...it sure was a lot easier than trying to brush paint everything!

Hope you all enjoy the pix; if there are any questions, please ask. And, as always, thanks for reading!
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Posted: Saturday, December 16, 2017 - 10:44 PM UTC
It does look pretty cool indeed, Tim!!

Looking forward to lore pictures of your progress

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Monday, December 11, 2017 - 11:51 PM UTC
Thanks, Jan! So good to hear from you!

I'm glad you like the views of all the rigging - it's not completed yet, as there's still lots of other stuff that needs to be completed first. But it does look pretty cool, doesn't it?

The latest news: still working on the forestay preventer collars - I've got one collar/heart unit wrapped around the bowsprit, and I'm working on the other collar/heart unit (off the model, it's a lot easier that way). I also completed painting the fore and mainmast components, and the next step will be to paint the iron bands on the lower parts of the mast. I'm also getting ready to start stringing the ratlines for the mainmast. I also assembled and painted the longboats, but have not put them in place.

Lastly, I see that there's been over 45,000 views on my blog, in just a little over 2 years. Thank you everyone for taking a look!
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 01:30 AM UTC
Hi Tim,

steady progress and amazing work!! The fews of the foc'sle with all the rigging and blocks made me awe - keep up your spirit!!!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 - 06:50 AM UTC
Here's a pic of the hammocks. I've noticed that on the hammocks I already painted & installed, well, you really can't tell any painting was done to them, as the netting pretty much obscures any detailing.
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 06:09 AM UTC
My cup runneth over:

Ohio State won.

My rigging thread from Cast Your Anchor Hobbies arrived.

The 2 jars of yellow paint I ordered from Amazon arrived Thursday (it only took two and a half weeks). (And only after I bought 4 jars at a hobby shop that's about half way across the county).

So the airbrush painting of the remaining masts is proceeding apace, I think another coat or two on the main mast, and everything should be in order. I've also finished painting the hammocks. I found that a color called "Aged concrete" has a good canvas color to it. And in an effort to conserve that little bit of paint, I did some dry brushing on the hammocks with Tamiya's flat desert yellow, followed by an ink pen to try to give some shadow between the hammocks, and a bit of stippling, to try and give them some character. Next step will be to make some more of the those open hearts, so I can install the fore stay preventer collars.
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Posted: Thursday, November 09, 2017 - 04:33 AM UTC
So I finished creating the open heart for the stay collar, and here's a couple pictures of when I got it finished. It's a little smaller than I had wanted, but at this scale, I don't think any one is going to notice:






I put a groove in the outside edge of the heart, to help seat the thread that goes around it:



This is a picture of after I wound black sewing thread around the heart. I started in the middle of the heart and worked toward the port side; I just looped the thread around and around, using some clear nail polish to help hold things in place (good stuff to use - it holds quite well, and doesn't dry as soon as it's exposed to air, so you have a bit of working time with it). For the starboard side of the collar, I made a series of overhand knots instead of a bunch of loops; this worked out well until the last knot I put in, which caused all the other knots to slip off the collar and get all tangled on the collar itself. This step (covering everything with thread)was done to be both functional (further securing the collar to the heart) and historically correct:



And lastly, a picture of the top and bottom sides of the collar wrapped around its heart, after I applied some black paint to cover all the white plastic of the heart. If it looks shiny, it's because I took the pictures right after applying the paint:





Now, you might be wondering why there's this sudden interest in this piece of rigging. I'm close to getting ready to install the masts, and I've been reading up about the main stay, in particular, how it goes over the mast top, and whether or not it goes over or under the shrouds/ratlines (it goes over the shrouds). So rather than wait until the masts are in, and having a little bit less room to work with, I decided to go ahead and put this collar in place. I made another open heart last night, for the other stay that goes around the main mast. I'll probably do some work tomorrow to get all that installed.

These details aren't anything you'd find in Heller's instructions, so if they're of use to anybody, I hope my ramblings make some sense.

As always, thanks for taking the time to look.