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Imperial chinese Ironclad Dingyuen
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Posted: Saturday, November 11, 2017 - 07:19 PM UTC
Hello Tim,

yes I think the first three pictures come from a chinese movie but the last two are from the rebuilt museum ship. I do have another picture presumably of the chinese admiral together with its (british?) advisor in the captains cabin:
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Posted: Saturday, November 11, 2017 - 07:09 PM UTC
Thomas,

This looks to be a fun and unusual project, I look forward to watching you progress with it. Those are some great crew pictures in your post - they are apparently from a movie?
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Posted: Saturday, November 11, 2017 - 06:29 PM UTC
I took a look at different western and chinese websites and found the ship in different outfits: for example the gun barbettes are shown in white, black, Grey or yellow. The masts are also shown in different type of construction, sometimes with longer upper masts and more yardarms.

The height of the masts seems to have been indeed more higher than at the model itself. Here is a drawing of the ship from a contemporary library´s encyclopedia:


These pictures from chinese websites are also looking promising and will be helpful also with the rigging as bronco don´t give you any adequate rigging plan as Hasegawa is doing:



I will keep my efforts closely with these chinese illustrations as they seem to be most spot on with the real ship. There is also a book "the Chinese steam Navy" which I will buy eventually for my project. We will see.

I was also happy to catch some pictures of the sailor´s uniforms for this time, this took me some time. Here are some officers:



lower ranks:




and the Hotchkiss 37 mm cannon revolver:


these are my building guidelines so far. If some of you could contribute some facts for this ships you are welcome.
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Posted: Saturday, November 11, 2017 - 06:09 PM UTC
Ahoy,

time for me for a new shipbuild - this time it is the Imperial chinese flagship Dingyuen (or 定远 for our chinese native speakers). The ship was ordered to and built by german VULKAN shipyard because England refused to build for the chineses in these times. The ship and her sister ship Zhenyuen of the same class were regarded as one of the most modern battleship of their time - at least even compared to german and english ships of this class. However during the governments loss of interest in its Navy (outstanding payments, no Money for exercises, scarce and wet ammunition) and growing corruption the morale of the branch dropped accordingly. Therefore the Chinese Navy had a dramatic defeat during its Engagement with the Imperial Japanese Navy at the battle of Yalu river. The Dingyuen was hit more then 200 times and was able to escape for a time but was later hit again by a torpedo and was scuttled by its own crew. So far the historical background.

I do have Bronco´s kit in 1:350 scale which do look very nice. There is even a small PE-set within for the railings and some stairs and a decal set with two different Imperial Chinese flags.


Additionally I do have a photoetched set and very nice (but expensive) wooden deck set by Blue Star and a turned barrel set by Orange Hobby.




Well thats it - let it begin