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1/48 Trumpeter U boat with extras
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Posted: Thursday, January 11, 2018 - 11:37 AM GMT+7
Hi Richard,

you can purchase the set from www.rcsubs.cz

The owners name is Oto, and he is great to work with and responds to emails fast.

Anyone know if just sanding the top deck off and gluing the PE on top is an option?

thanks..
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Posted: Thursday, January 11, 2018 - 12:11 AM GMT+7
Hi Alex,

Have you found where to buy them from ????

Richard
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Posted: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 - 06:45 AM GMT+7
Hello,

I am interested in buying the rcsub.cz photo etch set, but want to know if it is necessary to cut out the deck to fit the PE. I was thinking of sanding the deck down and placing the PE on top of the plastic deck? Will this work?

Thanks in advance.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 - 12:26 AM GMT+7
http://www.rcsubs.cz/ Tried to contact the company but no contact can be made???
OZ
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Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2018 - 01:20 AM GMT+7

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Hey , Nigel , i am also building U 552 with the pe set from Oto Gerza . You are so right about the fu..ing plexi half . It really is a pain in the ass to work in . But i cut most of it away and it looks much better now . The Pe set is stunning . I have also an 1/48 enigma from Gerza



There is more on the way my friend.Check his website for the corrected hole pattern parts for U552 and also he is now making torpedo ramps and possibly a corrected pressure hull like mine?
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Posted: Friday, January 05, 2018 - 05:51 AM GMT+7
Hey , Nigel , i am also building U 552 with the pe set from Oto Gerza . You are so right about the fu..ing plexi half . It really is a pain in the ass to work in . But i cut most of it away and it looks much better now . The Pe set is stunning . I have also an 1/48 enigma from Gerza
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 07:39 AM GMT+7
Great stuff Nige,

It is very disappointing when a manufacturer makes such a basic error like the fwd bulkhead of the pressure hull. Very neat correction. The torpedo tubes look quite a substantial construction.

Cheers

Si

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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 05:43 AM GMT+7

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Great work moving that anchor recess Nigel, very elegant solution, removing the small piece, moving the recess, then replacing it on the opposite side. (at least it looks like that's what you did.)



That's exactly what I did John.. and the reason it is cut in the shape of a parallelogram is to achieve the 2.5mm rise.
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 01:54 AM GMT+7
Great work moving that anchor recess Nigel, very elegant solution, removing the small piece, moving the recess, then replacing it on the opposite side. (at least it looks like that's what you did.)

It is a shame about the working qualities of the clear plastic, adding even more work to an already difficult project.
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2017 - 01:23 AM GMT+7

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Nigel,

you really are not kidding with this one -! The amount of errors you found and the changes you are planning is amazing! This will be a most interesting build, really looking forward to following along!

Cheers,
Jan



Thanks Jan.. just keep reading.. this kit is full of errors, some easily made, some schoolboy errors are there too..


To start, I'd like to show you the re positioned Anchor recess. This clear plastic is soooooo brittle. You may notice it "de-laminates" as you cut it, shattering away at the edge. I have peeled away the dodgy areas and filled them with a mixture of poly sheet and Extra thin.

I now need to leave it for a few weeks to thoroughly cure befor final filling and clean up.. we don't want anything to sneak up on us once finished do we!!



On to some more errors Trumpeter have made here.. as you are already aware I am of the opinion they up scaled the Revell wolf pack kit as they have made the same errors externally. Well it would appear they have copied the 1/72 interior made by CMK for the Revell kit. There are huge square boxes on the sides of the CMK torpedo tubes, they also appear on the Trumpeter kit?? I cannot find a single reference that shows this. It is also clear they have either visited U995 at Laboe, or used the many online resources of this type viic as I am doing.. trouble is, they have included such things as fire extinguishers (Z13), added recently, they have included the sheet metal fabricated trunking for modern day lighting cables (marked in red), and even included what I think are electric heaters (Z24) added to keep the sub dry. (At least I think they are modern day heaters, please say if you know different)? AND.. what on earth is G6??? There should be oxygen canisters where they have put this part.. it looks like a hydraulic tank with pump and regulator??





They have also got the stowage doors wrong, in size and position and the flat wooden panel extends too far forward with a fictitious switch panel fitted to it. (Again, a copy of the CMK kit parts) The errors just keep coming!!

So, I've decided I need to go to town on this and make it more accurate and less toy like. This will mean some serious modification and a lot of surgery. I can see the bow section taking months alone, So I'll need to put this down from time to time to prevent losing my mojo..

You will see here I've started correcting the floor. Again, Trumpeter have copied the chequer plate that the museum has down to protect the original floor.. not quite sure how I'll get around this?? The front section of the floor will need to be removed as there is only a very narrow section between the tubes. I have also removed the plastic lumps from the deck head as I would rather replace it correct I beams. (T sections to be precise).

The torpedo storage deck is too long in the kit and is mounted too low down.



Next we have what I think is the biggest boo boo in the torpedo room. The kit has one clear side to expose the inner workings of the type viic right.. well, you would think the first thing to be considered and be shown is the pressure hull. This is the one most important aspect of any submarine, how it withstands the massive pressures encountered under water, but no, Trumpeter couldn't even get this bit right.. this is what you get for the pressure hull front bulkhead...





Can you imagine what would happen to this flat face when put under pressure?

Please ignore the chopped up torpedo tubes, they are still a work in progress.. I have slipped them into the flat part to show you what we get in the kit as an assembly..

So, with much work and measuring a million times and cutting once I have corrected the situation..



Now we have a correctly formed pressure hull Bow which will withstand massive pressure. We even have the mounting flanges for the torpedo tubes to slot into.



Not the two together for comparison. The mouldings locate a torpedo control panel and the gearbox for the Windlass. These will now be correctly located on strips between the torpedo tube mounting flanges.

I have also modified the Windlass support beam to more correctly represent the real thing. It's extended, reshaped, had holes filled and holes and slots added. Other than these changes it was perfect!!



Obviously, all the work you can see here is incomplete, most is still curing off and will be finished with primer and Mr Surfacer before being painted..

Thanks for stopping by.. I will have more on this very soon. If you can offer any help or advice, or see me going wrong please shout.. I am open to criticism as well as praise.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - 06:23 AM GMT+7
Nigel,

you really are not kidding with this one -! The amount of errors you found and the changes you are planning is amazing! This will be a most interesting build, really looking forward to following along!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - 11:42 PM GMT+7
Nice work Nigel, I am going to really enjoy watching your build.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - 10:10 PM GMT+7
Wow Nigel! This is truly one of those MEGA kits you hear about but never see built! Until now!

Couldn't believe it when Trumpy announced this and the price tag nearly gave me a heart attack!

Will be watching with interest!
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Posted: Monday, December 18, 2017 - 09:21 AM GMT+7
Nice progress Nigel.

Do understand your desire to get the build just right, frankly moving the anchor recess would frighten me just a little.

Good luck with that, will be following along, meantime wishing you & yours a great Christmas.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Monday, December 18, 2017 - 05:06 AM GMT+7
Still busy on this and the Scammell guys. I seem to spend more time researching the U boat than anything else mind...

OK, we have many corrections to do to this kit. If you are familiar with the Revell kit you will know about all the errors. If you ignore them, you still get a beautiful model but the errors are still there. I'm OCD about these things so try and correct them, and as a result don't often finish anything!! It would appear Trumpeter have scaled up the Revell kit as they have made all the same errors!!

The Bow has just a couple of little errors as I will show you in the next two pics. I have come to these conclusions following hours of measuring drawings, scaling drawings up on the printer, then comparing the drawing to the real thing in pictures. believe me, there are some pretty dodgy drawings of type vii's out there.. tread carefully.



Please note the 12 off holes are just pen dots, that's why they look wonky..

In the next pic we can see where I think the anchor recess needs to be relocated to. The black outline is the current position, the red is the new position. Once moved the shape of the recess will also need to be taken care of.. it is way off.



These errors are a small percentage of what is wrong with the kit. There are misplaced, mishapen holes all the way from Stem to Stern. There are holes to be added, holes to be filled and holes to be extended. Its a shame the starboard half is clear as it is so reflective nothing can be seen through it so it needs to be cut away anyway to show off the interior. the clear is a bugger to work with..

I also notice that Trumpeter have missed out a lot of the pressure hull and that the bow and stern are just flat bulkheads. This is inaccurate, so much plastic card will be needed, particularly in the stern area, in order to replicate the pressure hull correctly. I have made the pressure hull ends by heating plastic card then pushing it into the base of a suitably sized aerosol can with my dogs rubber ball. After a bit of clean up and sanding the face flat it looks like a perfect solution!!



The forward torpedo tubes in the kit are too short, to accommodate the long torpedo doors. I have seen some ribbing on the tubes in many drawings so decided to make some aluminium extensions and add a representation of the ribbing. I know neither what it is for or what diameter it should be, but it looks somewhere handy and for the little it will be seen it'll do for me. I can only assume they are strengthening ribs to stop the tubes from being crushed by external pressure when submerged with the inner door open?



I have contacted RCsubs.cz about the errors on the kit and they have agreed to make a correction set much like the set available for the 1/72 kit. It is showing on the website as a prototype drawing so go take a look.. "it is called part 7". I hope to get this new fret as soon as it becomes available..
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Posted: Monday, December 18, 2017 - 05:05 AM GMT+7

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That's definitely some very nice work on the 20 mm FLAK!!

Cheers,
Jan



Thanks Jan, it could be better represented in resin though...
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Posted: Sunday, December 17, 2017 - 05:42 AM GMT+7
That's definitely some very nice work on the 20 mm FLAK!!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 - 08:04 AM GMT+7

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You may not have liked that gun, but you did a terriffic job with it. I love the gun truck!



Thanks very much!! I am hoping Eduard will release a Brassin version just like their beautiful 88mm resin one??
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Posted: Monday, December 11, 2017 - 01:27 PM GMT+7
You may not have liked that gun, but you did a terriffic job with it. I love the gun truck!
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Posted: Monday, December 11, 2017 - 10:26 AM GMT+7
I've been working on the 20mm Flak Gun guys, and it's been pretty testing..

I rolled up the PE muzzle and didn't do a great job of it. I managed to get it bulged in the middle, as shown below..



Not happy with this, I turned up a new muzzle on the lathe.this thing is just under 2mm at the large end and 3.5mm long.

I have also finished the assembly and added the PE from the RC Subs set. I was going to use the Eduard PE for the aiming device but thought the RC Sub was more like the pics I have, even though I have fitted it to the opposite side from what the instructions say.



There are brass pins all over the place, mainly because the Trumpeter plastic in this gun is not good. Nothing has a positive location and it would all fall apart if one breathed on it without the pins!!



That basket was a challenge, but really enjoyable.

Finally, for a bit of fun, I made a Gun Truck.. I hadn't realised this gun was so big?



Thanks for looking guys.. I'm hoping someone makes an aftermarket gun to replace this one. I'm not a fan of this one at all.
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Posted: Monday, December 11, 2017 - 08:40 AM GMT+7

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...It's a shame they used clear plastic for the starboard half.. it's horrible to work with and so reflective it needs to be cut away to give a really clear vision of whats inside anyway!! ...



Nigel, I agree completely! Why do manufacturers persist in producing ship models with those awful, hated clear plastic parts?



Oh well - I look forward to watching your progress on this monster!
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Posted: Monday, December 11, 2017 - 03:13 AM GMT+7
This looks a very interesting project Nigel,

Will be along for the ride.

Si
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 07:34 AM GMT+7
This really looks like a major project!!! -and probably a long journey!

I'm in an will be watching, all the best for your build!

Cheers,
Jan

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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 04:08 AM GMT+7
WOW!....that is going to be one huge model! Good luck with
this build...I am sure you will do a great job.

Will follow with interest.

Cheers,
Joe
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 03:03 AM GMT+7

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This will be a looong way mate, good luck with it!



Thanks mate!!