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Artesania Latina Cutty Sark
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2019 - 07:30 AM UTC
Hi all i bought this off my brother (he decided it was too frustrating for him) there are a few problems to sort out on it (I need to strip the decking off and square the frame up , it's a bit warped) he took the planking off which has saved me a job (he bought some really thin wood for the planking as he struggled with the supplied wood but it's so thin I can see it disappearing when sanded do I'm going to use the supplied wood) here are some pics, I've managed to get the deck off fairly easily getting the wood off the deck and squaring the frame may be quite a bit harder.
This will be a very slow build.










I think the pins hes used in the transom are way out of scale.
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2019 - 07:48 AM UTC
Interesting project. I've done a couple of rebuilds of started ships from estate sales. It can be a bit frustrating in the beginning, but once you get it straitened out and start the build again, things usually go quite well.

I'll be following with interest.

EJ
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Posted: Saturday, October 05, 2019 - 04:27 AM UTC
Hi all well I've removed the deck planking squared up the frame and are attached the front decking. I thought I would get away with doing nothing to the rear deck but on closer inspection I think he put the last 2 bulkhead the wrong way round since the second to last is narrower than the last (the phrase one step forward 2 back comes to mind) anyway I managed to get the rear deck off now I'm not sure what to do the frames seem to be impossible to unglue, any suggestions (I've tried steaming over a kettle but they won't budge) would it hurt the plywood if I soaked the stern in a bucket over night.






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Posted: Saturday, October 05, 2019 - 10:30 AM UTC
You could talk to a professional restorer for suggestions.

Marcus
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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2019 - 10:24 AM UTC
You could always cut them away, make new ones and glue them in the proper position. Wood is very forgiving for stuff like this and all that internal structure will be hidden by planking. A site that might be of interest is modelshipworld.com
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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2019 - 06:48 PM UTC
If I were to do this I would get a set of hull lines and check all of those frames and make new ones as needed.
If there is only a little missing from a frame I would glue strips of wood to the edge and then file/sand down to the correct shape.
Cutting away the whole frame as suggested by Grant above is probably easier than messing around with fixing big errors.
/ Robin
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 07:14 AM UTC
Hi all corrected the bulkheads next problem, now the side panels are correctly installed you can see the stern is too shallow so I will probably build this up with wood filler.




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Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2019 - 05:57 AM UTC
Hi Ken,

another special project of yours.
This certainly looks like a tough start - I've never done anything in wood, so I can't give any advice, but I'll be following your work!

Cheers
Jan
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Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2019 - 09:43 AM UTC
Ken,

Glad to hear you resolve the problem with the supports. How did you manage to get them unglued? Would be nice to know in case I get a case of the crazies and start building one of these.

Mark
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Posted: Friday, October 11, 2019 - 07:50 AM UTC
I didn't unglue them I reduced the last bulkhead and increased it 2nd to last which had the same effect of swapping them round.
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Posted: Saturday, October 12, 2019 - 05:12 AM UTC
Well 1 step backwards leads to another step backwards, deck had to come off again. I was about to start planking it again and I thought surely that hump shouldn't be there.





Also I dont know if you can see it from the photo but there is a gap between the bulkhead and the deck (I thought the small oblong hole in the decking was a hatch or something at first but now I see it is a locating peg for the decking) another wrongly glued bulkhead. 

I managed to get the bulkhead off (it wasn't fully home due to wood dust and glue formed at the bottom of the joint) (all nicely held in place with dried glue) took ages to cut it all away, anyway as you can see it's all nicely flush and fitted now.





Hopefully I can now proceed as if it were a new kit (apart from the splits in all the bulkheads due to where it was planked before cant think of anything to do about that, if I glue them back together I think it will make it too hard to put new pins in) I'm hoping when its replanked I can drill holes for the pins (they will only be for show anyway) 
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Posted: Saturday, October 12, 2019 - 11:41 AM UTC
Ken,

The deck does look flat now in the picture, nice recovery.

Mark
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Posted: Sunday, October 13, 2019 - 07:43 AM UTC
Ok so I've decided to start decking it, the instructions are not at all clear it shows you decking over the false deck by 2 mm for the first 120 mm and no longer mentions that afterwards (I can understand that as the planking for the sides is 2mm thick) but why stop that overlap at 120 mm, I looked at pics of the waterways on the actual ship and it looks like there is a wooden strip all the way along the ship from the front to the stern step so I decided to continue the strip all the way along, first problem was keeping a 4 mm wide strip at 2 mm on the deck and 2mm in the air so I decided to add the first plank on the sides and put the waterways over that, I figure the more accurate I can get the first plank the rest must be better so I took great efforts with the first plank.







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Posted: Sunday, October 13, 2019 - 09:02 PM UTC
Ken,

Sounds like a very workable plan. I bet it must feel better to be building than repairing. With all the bad things I heard about Artesania models your build will either confirm the stories or put them to bed.

Mark
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Posted: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - 08:04 AM UTC
Hi all whilst waiting for my planking to come I decided to start on some of the many other things in this kit, here is a start on one of the cabins.

It's like a kit in its self, I have a feeling I'm going to love this kit, for the calking between the planks I used a lead pencil and just ran it along the edges of the planks.






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Posted: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - 08:54 AM UTC
Ken,

Very nice work on the assembly and great idea about using a pencil to simulate the calking.

Mark
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Posted: Thursday, October 17, 2019 - 03:20 AM UTC
Ken,

very nice work indeed, looks really good!

Cheers
Jan
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2019 - 06:02 AM UTC
Hi all I have done some of the planking I've cut the planks at 70mm which I think in this equates to 10 yards at this scale (although the planking supplied is I think is over scale at about 12"wide ) I'm not going to add the nail heads as I've seen on the printed decks available in this scale as I dont believe a nail with a head diameter of 6 mm would be visible at this scale at.

The planking is very slow going but quite satisfying.


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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2019 - 08:46 AM UTC
Ken,

Nice work on the planking, the boards are looking uniform.

Mark
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Posted: Sunday, October 20, 2019 - 02:07 AM UTC
Ken,

My hat is off to you taking on this challenge. I recently started a U.S. brig Syren wood kit for my dad and WOW, the skills needed are so different from my accustomed plastic models!

Anyway, your efforts on the Cutty Sark are looking better and better!
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Posted: Sunday, October 20, 2019 - 07:56 AM UTC
Hi all well this is as far as the decking can go at the moment as I've used all the wood left in the kit for this (they were very generous with wood as it was already fully planked so they nearly give you double what you need) I just hope when the new stuff comes it's similar coloured unlike the last bit (for the waterways which were completely different colours) I realise wood is a natural product so can differ I just hope it's not too much different.


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Posted: Sunday, October 20, 2019 - 11:34 PM UTC

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Ken,

My hat is off to you taking on this challenge. I recently started a U.S. brig Syren wood kit for my dad and WOW, the skills needed are so different from my accustomed plastic models!

Anyway, your efforts on the Cutty Sark are looking better and better!



Tim, Is the Syren at 1/2000 scale as the others?

Mark