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A waterproof door in 1/35 for the Masséna
jba
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Posted: Sunday, June 15, 2008 - 10:41 PM UTC
Hi guys,
Well I don't have much to present here, but I spent the afternoon of yesterday on that lil' thing and thought it came out okay.
So this kind of stuff could make the 1/700 super detail wizards laugh, but yet, hey why not showing this..
I need to create one waterproof door for French pre-dread Masséna. As I couldn't find any plans, I built the one of the Jaurreguibery which is contemporary.
It all begins with spending some time on a computer with a drawing software...

Then, develop that on a sheet of photoresist coated brass, and straight into the acid.
In no time you have got THIS. Please have a look at the plans in the background too,

If you wonder what is the big scratch at the middle, it's me being stupid witha cutter just before dipping the stuff into the acid, bad idea!
Anyway, let's start to trim all the stuff, and to sand the edges..

Here are the pieces once trimed, please notice that I will also use some nuts and bolts -still from the Stash Mr O'Meara sent me last year (may his beard grow ever longer and may he be thanked forever).
pklease also notice the holed armour plate that will be the support for the door as quite a lot of stuff will be glued on the plates themselves.

Let's fix the stuff and add some plastic sprue here and there (and on both sides) to figure the big handles.
Notice the locker which is taken between 2 very thin rivets like hinges. Now that was hard to do!

Let's now work all the details on the door support too

And assemble the whole!


yep, I 've got less pictures when it begins to be interesting sorry for this, but thanks for viewing and I hope you enjoyed that bit of unusual stuff
JB



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Posted: Sunday, June 15, 2008 - 11:00 PM UTC
Aye, Jean-Bernard, the makings of yet another of your masterpieces, my friend....you have done the plans justice, mate, and a very convincing looking scratch-build!

Thanks for sharing, JB, and looking forward to the next "peek" that you give us!
~Mark
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 01:59 AM UTC
That was very cool and informative. TY for the posting.
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 02:37 AM UTC
Nice work JB.

Gator
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 02:44 AM UTC
JBA,

Fantastic work. Just another great piece fo working coming our way, cannot wait.

jba
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2008 - 07:41 PM UTC
Thank you friends! Ah well, this is a small job compared to what is still left to do
And then I spotted a few thing I could better on the build thanks for the pics I took.
In a few weeks I will post a blown up turret as completed and that will be all before quite a few months I guess.
But then homemade photoetch is one hgell of a thing that took me one year to mostly master, but since I did, it really opens so many possibilities.
Frank, how is your own Borodino? now she's a handsome ship..
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Posted: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 04:15 AM UTC
Allô Jean-Bernard

The watertight door looks very good, with lots of details and excellent craftsmanship altogether makes it a model on it self
Don't owe anything to 1/700 scale PE sets with a smashing advantage: it's homemade!!!!!

Only one "small detail", that probably is a little late to repair/correct: the door looks too thin (should it have the locking mechanism inside or have a heavier steel plate?)

Cheers,
Rui

jba
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Posted: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 05:18 AM UTC
Hi Rui, it's nice to drop by
I think that my photoetching technique would not be as precise to do -say 1/350 railings for instance.
But then beyond some point of detailing level, I find impossible to do without it
You know one cool thing? I design the frets during working hours by switching applications
I have been checking about the thickness of the door and the actual thickness was 1 cm which does 0.2mm in 1/35, close enough
No wonder the Bouvet sank in 55 seconds.
But then I agree with you about the locking mechanism which would probably be thicker. The thing is , that detail will be mostly hidden in the finished diorama as it's an escape door for a 140mm turret. So i don't know if I will add a bit of platic there or not.



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Posted: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 - 05:51 AM UTC
Just wondering and from the watertight doors I remember, they looked thicker

But the end result so far is Very Good (as usually your work is!)
Alt + Tab makes wonders
Keep up, Jean-Bernard!!!

Rui
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Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 12:53 AM UTC
Hi JBA,

Outstanding. Skipper may have a point about the thickness, if the rear of the door will be seen.

Look forward to more

Al
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Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 01:42 AM UTC
Mon ami!

Now I really do think you're nuts!

Very nice... wow.... now this is what modelling is all about!

Rudi

p.s. I've probably missed the previous posts on this project, but what are you making?

EDIT: Nevermind... I checked your site
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Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 03:08 AM UTC
Hi Jean Bernard,

That is some serious work there. Thanks for the step by step view into your build up. Looking forward to seeing more as you go.

Jay Massey
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Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 03:17 AM UTC
Friend Jean-Bernard, this already exceeds the standard in modeling

these works seem so perfect and depth of watchmaking.

I am impatient to see more of your work

congratulations

Domi
jba
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Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 05:52 AM UTC
Thanks friends for leaving extra comments
Alan, it's a bit weird, but i assure you the thickness is right, I dble checked the plans I got.
btw, this is not the Jaureguibérry doors but Bouvet's -the one that sank in 55 seconds after a Turkish mine knocked on her front. I guess the thickness of those doors is surely to be blamed

Rudi, the diorama will be huge to my standarts and really this door is sort of piece of cake as the computer did the job somewhat. Then I will start this summer the 3 figs I jhave to sculpt.. That won't be no sweat.

Joseph my turret is almost finished, looks okay so far

Domi, how is my prefered all times Spanish diorama maker? Great boat you are doing on your own side, when are you getting into homemade photoetch?

thanks again my friends


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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2008 - 12:55 AM UTC
Hi Jean, just found this thread. I checked out your site and I'm very impressed with the project so far. Beautifully crafted ship section !!! This promises to be a very sweet build.
Looking foward to the progress updates.
What are your plans for the layout ?, Im assuming semi sunk ?
Glenn
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2008 - 02:08 AM UTC
Thanks Glenn! It's been a long time I see any progress on your own works !
The ship was sunk as a sea blocker by the Turkish coast in 1915, I am almost right there with history
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