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Harry_at_BFM
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Posted: Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 06:33 AM UTC
Coming next week British Tramp Steamer Drumgeith 1905
Here is a drawing from the instructions
Here is a drawing from the instructions
Gunny
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Posted: Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 09:39 AM UTC
And yet another fine addition to the BFM catalog, my friend!
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Posted: Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 10:27 AM UTC
Hi Harry
Looking forward to get my hands on it!!
We should get our accounts straight
send me an email, please
Rui
Looking forward to get my hands on it!!
We should get our accounts straight
send me an email, please Rui
Harry_at_BFM
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Posted: Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 10:45 AM UTC
Hi Rui,
Email sent.
Email sent.
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Posted: Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 10:54 AM UTC
Another good looking offereing Harry.
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2008 - 09:51 AM UTC
Hi Everyone!
If anyone's interested, I have a publication from 1940 which depicts about 90% of the world's merchantmen at the time in scale broadside drawings.
I've found it most useful in preparing models of specific merchantmen, including those that are otherwise only names of victims to raiders and U-boats and in depictions of early American troop transports like the Santa Barbara which became the McCawley.
--Karl
If anyone's interested, I have a publication from 1940 which depicts about 90% of the world's merchantmen at the time in scale broadside drawings.
I've found it most useful in preparing models of specific merchantmen, including those that are otherwise only names of victims to raiders and U-boats and in depictions of early American troop transports like the Santa Barbara which became the McCawley.
--Karl
MikeM
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2008 - 11:24 AM UTC
Karl
That sounds interesting, what is the name of the book? How detailed are the drawings?
Mike
That sounds interesting, what is the name of the book? How detailed are the drawings?
Mike
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2008 - 11:51 AM UTC
Karl,
Very interested in Merchant ship details. I'm currently building a series of Japanese merchant vessels which became 'cannon fodder' (or more correctly 'torpedo fodder) for allied submarines during WW II - see my photo gallery.
I get my details/photos by trawling the web but another useful source is the ONI 208-J series available from History on CD ROM which also include line drawings.
http://www.history-on-cdrom.com/id132.htm
Harry,
Great to see Drumgeith - a ship with a long history (and many owners) allowing all sorts of possibilities. Keep them coming.
Jim S
Very interested in Merchant ship details. I'm currently building a series of Japanese merchant vessels which became 'cannon fodder' (or more correctly 'torpedo fodder) for allied submarines during WW II - see my photo gallery.
I get my details/photos by trawling the web but another useful source is the ONI 208-J series available from History on CD ROM which also include line drawings.
http://www.history-on-cdrom.com/id132.htm
Harry,
Great to see Drumgeith - a ship with a long history (and many owners) allowing all sorts of possibilities. Keep them coming.
Jim S
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2008 - 12:11 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Karl
That sounds interesting, what is the name of the book? How detailed are the drawings?
Mike
Hi Mike!
I believe the title is "Merchant Fleets of the World 1940". It has similar dimensions to Janes Fighting Ships of the era and features the merchantmen of each nation. These sections start with some photography and are arranged by shipping line and then move to line drawing side views approximately an inch and a half to thress inches long with builder, propulsion, and dimensional data below.
I've found it invaluable in researching merchantmen that preceded the Victory and Liberty ship mass-production types. It's amazing how many WW I era vessels survived into the start of WW II only to be sunk then.
--Karl
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2008 - 12:17 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Karl,
Very interested in Merchant ship details. I'm currently building a series of Japanese merchant vessels which became 'cannon fodder' (or more correctly 'torpedo fodder) for allied submarines during WW II - see my photo gallery.
I get my details/photos by trawling the web but another useful source is the ONI 208-J series available from History on CD ROM which also include line drawings.
http://www.history-on-cdrom.com/id132.htm
Harry,
Great to see Drumgeith - a ship with a long history (and many owners) allowing all sorts of possibilities. Keep them coming.
Jim S
Hi Jim!
My pub sounds like it could be a great compliment to your ONI reference. However, Japanese prewar secretiveness meant that the coverage of the Japanese merchant marine in this work is not as extensive as those of other nations. However, I did find sub-fodder as you call it was well as the transports destroyed by the U. S. 4-stackers off Balikpapan in January 1942. The coverage of Bismarck Sea victims, on the other had, is spotty.
--Karl
Harry_at_BFM
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2008 - 03:21 PM UTC
Jim,
There are a couple of really great books available in England although they are Out of Print.
Packed with photos, prints and line drawings.
British Ocean Tramps Vol. 1&2 by P. N. Thomas.
Jim Baumann procured 2 copies for me, so if you are interested I am sure if you drop him a line he can tell you where they can be obtained.
BTW, Thomas also has done one on British Steam Tugs.
There are a couple of really great books available in England although they are Out of Print.
Packed with photos, prints and line drawings.
British Ocean Tramps Vol. 1&2 by P. N. Thomas.
Jim Baumann procured 2 copies for me, so if you are interested I am sure if you drop him a line he can tell you where they can be obtained.
BTW, Thomas also has done one on British Steam Tugs.
Freighter
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 11:10 AM UTC
Harry,
Thanks, I've seen references to the P N Thomas books but been unable to get them so far.
I already have 'British Standard Ships of WW1' (Mitchell & Sawyer) which I have found invaluable as some of the Japanese ships I've modelled are based on the 'standard' designs of that period.
I'll be posting photos of my latest - a NYK Freighter to the members gallery in a few days. The prototype of this freighter was based on a WWI design - built in Glasgow in 1914. Of the 19 built for NYK only 1 survived WW II.
Karl,
Yes, the reference material is sketchy on most Japanese subjects but (I hope this is not interpreted as heresy) this allows a certain amount of 'artistic license' in the building of them. I think they still make good models.
What I would like is a reference document which gave not only the house (funnel) colours but stated the colour of the decks, boot topping and superstructure - including cranes and derricks. I'll keep looking and asking.
Jim S
Thanks, I've seen references to the P N Thomas books but been unable to get them so far.
I already have 'British Standard Ships of WW1' (Mitchell & Sawyer) which I have found invaluable as some of the Japanese ships I've modelled are based on the 'standard' designs of that period.
I'll be posting photos of my latest - a NYK Freighter to the members gallery in a few days. The prototype of this freighter was based on a WWI design - built in Glasgow in 1914. Of the 19 built for NYK only 1 survived WW II.
Karl,
Yes, the reference material is sketchy on most Japanese subjects but (I hope this is not interpreted as heresy) this allows a certain amount of 'artistic license' in the building of them. I think they still make good models.
What I would like is a reference document which gave not only the house (funnel) colours but stated the colour of the decks, boot topping and superstructure - including cranes and derricks. I'll keep looking and asking.
Jim S
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 11:32 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Harry,
Thanks, I've seen references to the P N Thomas books but been unable to get them so far.
I already have 'British Standard Ships of WW1' (Mitchell & Sawyer) which I have found invaluable as some of the Japanese ships I've modelled are based on the 'standard' designs of that period.
I'll be posting photos of my latest - a NYK Freighter to the members gallery in a few days. The prototype of this freighter was based on a WWI design - built in Glasgow in 1914. Of the 19 built for NYK only 1 survived WW II.
Karl,
Yes, the reference material is sketchy on most Japanese subjects but (I hope this is not interpreted as heresy) this allows a certain amount of 'artistic license' in the building of them. I think they still make good models.
What I would like is a reference document which gave not only the house (funnel) colours but stated the colour of the decks, boot topping and superstructure - including cranes and derricks. I'll keep looking and asking.
Jim S
Hi Jim!
Coloring (colouring
?) data is often included. Please tell me which ships you are interested in and I'll send you copies of the drawings and data. 
--Karl
Harry_at_BFM
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Posted: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 - 05:11 PM UTC
Jim,
Just found the invoice on the P.N. Thomas Books
G.L. Green Limited
Naval and Maritime Booksellers
www.glgreen.co.uk
Karl,
Would you perchance have a photo of the USS Vega AK 17 at Pearl on 12/07/41.
I can not find one anywhere.
Just found the invoice on the P.N. Thomas Books
G.L. Green Limited
Naval and Maritime Booksellers
www.glgreen.co.uk
Karl,
Would you perchance have a photo of the USS Vega AK 17 at Pearl on 12/07/41.
I can not find one anywhere.
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 - 05:22 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Jim,
Just found the invoice on the P.N. Thomas Books
G.L. Green Limited
Naval and Maritime Booksellers
www.glgreen.co.uk
Karl,
Would you perchance have a photo of the USS Vega AK 17 at Pearl on 12/07/41.
I can not find one anywhere.
Hi Harry!
It appears that the Vega was in Honolulu Harbor on December 7th offloading an Army cargo. Her after action reports are reproduced on HyperWar.
It's highly unlikely any photos of her on December 7th exist, but www.navsource.org has some decent side views from other dates.
--Karl
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Posted: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 - 12:05 PM UTC
Karl,
Next up on my build list are Bengal/Calcutta/Himalaya Maru (either NYK or OSK line) and Brasil/Argentina Maru - waiting on Fujimi to release these. I have a drawing of the latter two in pre-war 'cruise colours' of blue hull and orange funnel rather than the usual black hull/white superstructure that is normal for OSK ships - can you confirm this?
Harry,
Thanks for the tip. I'll contact them soon.
Jim S
Next up on my build list are Bengal/Calcutta/Himalaya Maru (either NYK or OSK line) and Brasil/Argentina Maru - waiting on Fujimi to release these. I have a drawing of the latter two in pre-war 'cruise colours' of blue hull and orange funnel rather than the usual black hull/white superstructure that is normal for OSK ships - can you confirm this?
Harry,
Thanks for the tip. I'll contact them soon.
Jim S
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 - 02:08 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Karl,
Next up on my build list are Bengal/Calcutta/Himalaya Maru (either NYK or OSK line) and Brasil/Argentina Maru - waiting on Fujimi to release these. I have a drawing of the latter two in pre-war 'cruise colours' of blue hull and orange funnel rather than the usual black hull/white superstructure that is normal for OSK ships - can you confirm this?
Harry,
Thanks for the tip. I'll contact them soon.
Jim S
Hi Harry!
Okay, my book says the Bengal and Calcutta Marus were with NYK and Himalaya Maru was with the Osaka Line. The ships had black hulls with a white cheat line, red boot toppings, black ventilators with red cowl interiors. Photos of other company ships reveal white banding on the black funnels, narrow-broad-narrow for NYK, two of equal chord for Osaka.
The Argentina Maru was also owned by the Osaka Line.
The Brazil Maru apparently operated for the Ono Shoji Gomei Kaisya out of Osaka. No coloring info is listed.
Hope this helps!]
--Karl
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Posted: Thursday, October 16, 2008 - 06:35 AM UTC
Karl,
Many thanks for prompt reply. Ventilator info is particularly welcome as it is hard to guess using black & white photos.
Check out the Brasil/Argentina Maru pictures on OLD STEAMSHIP PICTURES website - they will make a colourful addition to anyone's merchant fleet.
Jim S
Many thanks for prompt reply. Ventilator info is particularly welcome as it is hard to guess using black & white photos.
Check out the Brasil/Argentina Maru pictures on OLD STEAMSHIP PICTURES website - they will make a colourful addition to anyone's merchant fleet.
Jim S
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Thursday, October 16, 2008 - 08:04 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Karl,
Many thanks for prompt reply. Ventilator info is particularly welcome as it is hard to guess using black & white photos.
Check out the Brasil/Argentina Maru pictures on OLD STEAMSHIP PICTURES website - they will make a colourful addition to anyone's merchant fleet.
Jim S
Hi Jim!
If you need any more merchantman input from that book, please let me know.
--Karl
On the ways:
1:350 Nevada & Arizona
1:125 New Orleans
Fitting out:
1:350 SMS Kaiser
Sea trials:
1:350 SMS Kronprinz
Freighter
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Posted: Friday, October 17, 2008 - 06:56 AM UTC
Karl,
Will do. Many thanks.
Jim S
Will do. Many thanks.
Jim S
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