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Vosper MTBs what colour to paint ?
bigal07

Joined: January 07, 2009
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Posted: Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 06:59 AM UTC
Hello there, last week I went down to the Hendon model show, and among the many models I brought, one was a British WW2 MTB in 1-72 scale, building won't be a problem, however painting, I honestly don't want to follow the guide as everyone does that, what I would like is a camo guide that was used for this boat during WW2, problem, and I do not want to spend £30.00 on a book, what camo guides is there, and indeed what colours other than the Airfix guide could I paint this in ? Look forward to your reply.
DaveCox

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Posted: Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 09:06 AM UTC
I can find plenty of pics of the larger Fairmiles wearing different colours and camo patterns, but all the Vospers look like the kit guide.
bigal07

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Posted: Saturday, June 06, 2009 - 09:13 AM UTC
Dave - that is very much of what I was afraid of, although I would follow the guide, I also feel it good to be slightly different especially in the camo of a boat or ship, but thank you for your time and effort.
TGarthConnelly

Joined: August 03, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 - 02:09 AM UTC
I'd suggest that you contact John Lambert. And, there is something about British schemes on www.ptboatworld.com sir.
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Hello there, last week I went down to the Hendon model show, and among the many models I brought, one was a British WW2 MTB in 1-72 scale, building won't be a problem, however painting, I honestly don't want to follow the guide as everyone does that, what I would like is a camo guide that was used for this boat during WW2, problem, and I do not want to spend £30.00 on a book, what camo guides is there, and indeed what colours other than the Airfix guide could I paint this in ? Look forward to your reply.
TGarthConnelly

Joined: August 03, 2008
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Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009 - 11:02 AM UTC
From my website:
Camouflage Schemes
for Royal Navy Coastal Forces Boats
Information for this article came from a British Admiralty publication, C.B. 3098 (45) R, entitled The Camouflage of Ships at Sea. A Xeroxed copy of the document was given to me by John Lambert, noted Naval Historian and co-author of the series of books called Allied Coastal Forces.
Since the date printed on the document was October 1945, I can only surmise that the descriptions of the two schemes designated for what the document refers to as "Coastal Forces Boats" are for the later stages of the Second World War.
The Royal Navy had two schemes for these boats, Scheme E (for boats operating in Home Waters) and Scheme F (for boats operating in Foreign Waters).
"Scheme E is the light modification of the basic design for Coastal Force craft and is for use on Home stations only. The colours used are G.45 and White on vertical surfaces and B.15 on horizontal surfaces, with full countershading in White and colour B.15. It is of particular importance that the countershading in Schemes E and F should be executed with great thoroughness, since at the very short ranges at which actions between coastal forces are fought and at which concealment of small craft is possible in favourable conditions, the presence of even small shadows and highlights can very easily make the difference between concealed and being sighted. This scheme gives concealment from surface observation on dark nights, in moonlight fully diffused by cloud, and in starlight."
"Scheme F is the basic design for coastal force craft and is for use on all foreign stations. All vertical surfaces and side are painted colour G.45 except those in shadow which are painted White, and horizontal surfaces are painted colour B.15. The remarks on countershading under Scheme E above apply also to Scheme F. This scheme will give concealment at dusk and dawn, in partly diffused moonlight and in starlight in the partly directional light. It will also give fairly good concealment in the conditions for which Scheme E is intended.
Note: Schemes E and F will also give good concealment in overcast weather by day, but in all daylight conditions the bow waves and wakes of boats under way are likely to be more conspicuous than the boats themselves."
Camouflage Schemes
for Royal Navy Coastal Forces Boats
Information for this article came from a British Admiralty publication, C.B. 3098 (45) R, entitled The Camouflage of Ships at Sea. A Xeroxed copy of the document was given to me by John Lambert, noted Naval Historian and co-author of the series of books called Allied Coastal Forces.
Since the date printed on the document was October 1945, I can only surmise that the descriptions of the two schemes designated for what the document refers to as "Coastal Forces Boats" are for the later stages of the Second World War.
The Royal Navy had two schemes for these boats, Scheme E (for boats operating in Home Waters) and Scheme F (for boats operating in Foreign Waters).
"Scheme E is the light modification of the basic design for Coastal Force craft and is for use on Home stations only. The colours used are G.45 and White on vertical surfaces and B.15 on horizontal surfaces, with full countershading in White and colour B.15. It is of particular importance that the countershading in Schemes E and F should be executed with great thoroughness, since at the very short ranges at which actions between coastal forces are fought and at which concealment of small craft is possible in favourable conditions, the presence of even small shadows and highlights can very easily make the difference between concealed and being sighted. This scheme gives concealment from surface observation on dark nights, in moonlight fully diffused by cloud, and in starlight."
"Scheme F is the basic design for coastal force craft and is for use on all foreign stations. All vertical surfaces and side are painted colour G.45 except those in shadow which are painted White, and horizontal surfaces are painted colour B.15. The remarks on countershading under Scheme E above apply also to Scheme F. This scheme will give concealment at dusk and dawn, in partly diffused moonlight and in starlight in the partly directional light. It will also give fairly good concealment in the conditions for which Scheme E is intended.
Note: Schemes E and F will also give good concealment in overcast weather by day, but in all daylight conditions the bow waves and wakes of boats under way are likely to be more conspicuous than the boats themselves."
bigal07

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Posted: Sunday, July 26, 2009 - 07:29 PM UTC
Thank you for the additional information, while understanding the fact camo is designed to deflect attention, like my HMS Campbeltown, photo's are very few and far between, I have now finished my MTB and gone with hues of grey on grey with black below the water-line.
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