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Pyro USS Constellation build
RussellE
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Posted: Monday, March 04, 2019 - 09:44 PM UTC
Yes, yes it is, Tim
TimReynaga
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Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 - 12:48 AM UTC
Ok, back on the job with the Constellation’s paint!
In what was apparently an attempt to simulate the look of oxidized copper cladding the ship carried when in service, Constellation museum staff have applied an absolutely GODAWFUL bluish-green color the to the wood below the old waterline.
The copper that once graced the real hull is long gone, although the Pyro model shows it in place. If I stick to my plan to depict the ship as she appears today as a museum, the “copper” detail will have to be painted green. I've mixed up a sample and placed it next to the model in an attempt to get into the idea, but it is so UGLY...
In what was apparently an attempt to simulate the look of oxidized copper cladding the ship carried when in service, Constellation museum staff have applied an absolutely GODAWFUL bluish-green color the to the wood below the old waterline.
The copper that once graced the real hull is long gone, although the Pyro model shows it in place. If I stick to my plan to depict the ship as she appears today as a museum, the “copper” detail will have to be painted green. I've mixed up a sample and placed it next to the model in an attempt to get into the idea, but it is so UGLY...
RedDuster
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Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 - 07:12 AM UTC
That blueish green is not a pleasant colour Tim,
Your build, but I would be sorely tempted to keep the coper colour, maybe lightly weathered.
Good to see you back on this one.
Cheers
Si
Your build, but I would be sorely tempted to keep the coper colour, maybe lightly weathered.
Good to see you back on this one.
Cheers
Si
Namabiiru
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Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 - 08:56 AM UTC
If the logic for using the green were followed to it's logical conclusion, would that not entail scraping off all the molded detail of the copper plating? I wouldn't be up for that, but you've worked magic with the pyro kits I would never have dared attempt.
d6mst0
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Posted: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 - 11:13 AM UTC
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That blueish green is not a pleasant colour Tim,
Your build, but I would be sorely tempted to keep the coper colour, maybe lightly weathered.
Good to see you back on this one.
Cheers
Si
Man, that is one ugly green. Did the navy do it to save money?
Mark
RussellE
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Posted: Wednesday, March 06, 2019 - 11:03 PM UTC
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That blueish green is not a pleasant colour Tim,
Your build, but I would be sorely tempted to keep the coper colour, maybe lightly weathered.
Good to see you back on this one.
Cheers
Si
I agree with Si
muted/dulled down copper would look much better
TimReynaga
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Posted: Friday, March 08, 2019 - 05:14 PM UTC
I agree, guys... that hull green is just too ugly - and historically questionable, at best!
The model will be a gift to my father as a memento of our visit to the U.S.S. Constellation museum, but I’m willing to bet he may not even remember that hull color anyway. Plus, he has a print of Constellation hanging in his workshop which shows the original copper hull:
Good enough for me! I went ahead and shot the copper plating detail on the hull bottom with Tamiya acrylic Dark Copper (XF-28).
It came out a little bright, but a dark oil wash should dull it down nicely.
The model will be a gift to my father as a memento of our visit to the U.S.S. Constellation museum, but I’m willing to bet he may not even remember that hull color anyway. Plus, he has a print of Constellation hanging in his workshop which shows the original copper hull:
Good enough for me! I went ahead and shot the copper plating detail on the hull bottom with Tamiya acrylic Dark Copper (XF-28).
It came out a little bright, but a dark oil wash should dull it down nicely.
RedDuster
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Posted: Friday, March 08, 2019 - 09:58 PM UTC
Nice, Tim.
The wash will bring out the detail on the sheathing too.
Cheers
Si
The wash will bring out the detail on the sheathing too.
Cheers
Si
Namabiiru
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Posted: Friday, March 08, 2019 - 11:56 PM UTC
You have chosen...wisely.
surfsup
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Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2019 - 01:35 PM UTC
Very nice colour selection.....Cheers mark
md72
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Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2019 - 03:14 PM UTC
WOW! Late to the party, but this is a very inspiring build! I may yet tackle a sailing ship. 
Kevlar06
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Posted: Sunday, March 10, 2019 - 04:45 PM UTC
Tim, I'm not sure when they painted that awful green color on the hull-- I visited the Constellation in Baltimore Harbor with my Wife, Sister-in-law and our kids way back in 1991, and I don't remember anything but a black painted hull near the waterline. It was an interesting trip-- turned out we were the only visitors on the ship at the time, and the docent there gave us a great tour-- the ship was undergoing renovation, and the lower decks were almost completely empty. The only deck space that had anything in it was the aft cabin, which had been turned into a work/restoration area. I noticed a US Army "steel pot" helmet on one of the lockers, and since I was an active duty Major at the time, asked the docent about it. He told me it was his- he was a Reserve Lieutenant Colonel- and he wore it when working on the lower decks, since the overhead was so low he was tired of hitting his head all the time!! It's a great ship, and you are building a great model. Can't wait to see it finished.
RussellE
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Posted: Monday, March 11, 2019 - 11:23 PM UTC
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I went ahead and shot the copper plating detail on the hull bottom with Tamiya acrylic Dark Copper (XF-28).
It came out a little bright, but a dark oil wash should dull it down nicely.
Nice choice Tim
YellowHammer
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Posted: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 - 12:46 AM UTC
Tim,
I agree with the others that the copper look is the right way to go. Love watching you work your magic on these old kits.
John
I agree with the others that the copper look is the right way to go. Love watching you work your magic on these old kits.
John
JJ1973
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Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2019 - 05:45 AM UTC
Tim,
I just agree with what everybody else said - the copper looks just right, and some wash will bring out the details perfectly!
Cheers,
Jan
I just agree with what everybody else said - the copper looks just right, and some wash will bring out the details perfectly!
Cheers,
Jan
TimReynaga
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Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2019 - 05:36 PM UTC
Thanks guys. Seeing it on the model, I think that the copper hull will work just fine. That blue-green color would surely have been a cause of seasickness...!
I gave the guns and assorted detail bits a Winsor & Newton Burnt Sienna oil wash over their Tamiya acrylic base colors.
Russ, thanks for your Constellation story! By the time my dad and I visited the ship in 2010, there were quite a few historical displays on board:
Among my favorites was a sailor’s mess exhibit:
Yum!
I gave the guns and assorted detail bits a Winsor & Newton Burnt Sienna oil wash over their Tamiya acrylic base colors.
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Tim, I'm not sure when they painted that awful green color on the hull-- I visited the Constellation in Baltimore Harbor with my Wife, Sister-in-law and our kids way back in 1991, and I don't remember anything but a black painted hull near the waterline. It was an interesting trip-- turned out we were the only visitors on the ship at the time, and the docent there gave us a great tour-- the ship was undergoing renovation, and the lower decks were almost completely empty. The only deck space that had anything in it was the aft cabin, which had been turned into a work/restoration area. I noticed a US Army "steel pot" helmet on one of the lockers, and since I was an active duty Major at the time, asked the docent about it. He told me it was his- he was a Reserve Lieutenant Colonel- and he wore it when working on the lower decks, since the overhead was so low he was tired of hitting his head all the time!! It's a great ship, and you are building a great model. Can't wait to see it finished.
Russ, thanks for your Constellation story! By the time my dad and I visited the ship in 2010, there were quite a few historical displays on board:
Among my favorites was a sailor’s mess exhibit:
Yum!
RedDuster
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Posted: Sunday, March 17, 2019 - 05:18 AM UTC
Hi Tim,
Interesting photos, Looks like USN seamen got better rations than their RN contemporaries.
Cheers
Si
Interesting photos, Looks like USN seamen got better rations than their RN contemporaries.
Cheers
Si
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