Hi all,

Who had ever thought I'd post something in the warship section? Thanks to 11Charlie, garrybeebe, and Skipper, I actually am building warships now. I still can't hardly believe it guys! :-)

I started small, with the 1:700 Revell Oscar class submarine. In the future, I'll build the famous Revell VIIC and a 1:350 battleship as well, for the Dive Dive Dive and Deadnought campaigns.

But now back to the Oscar. It looks like this now:



After painting details etc, I want to weather it. But I haven't weathered a sub before, only armor, so I need you salty experts to help me out!

So the question is: how do I weather an Oscar Class submarine?

Thanks!

Martin

Martinnnn,
See if you can find a copy of JANE'S WARSHIP RECOGNITION GUIDE by Robert Hutchinson. (published 2002. ISBN 0 00 713722 2) Although there's on Oscar photographed (closest is an Oscar II), there are several colour pics of other Russian subs pictured alongside dock. Hopefully this will give you some inspiration. Otherwise there's always a web search.
Good luck. Please post 'em when your done.
Tom

Thus site has some good photos:
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/oscar/index.html#oscar1

I like to weather subs like armor. Some fading and rust streaks. Your base color looks way too dark. Lighten it with some Gunship gray. Lighten that further along the top with a light overspray of a lighter gray to simulate fading. Don't overdo the rust streaks people just don't believe they get that rusty.

Haha I see, you're right about the colours....I just used the kits instructions which said 60% black + 40% brown.

It looks pretty dark here too btw...


Well I'll try your suggestion!

And how about other weatheringtechniques....like a wash?

Hello Martin!

You have a nice built and a good base colour to start!
So my advice would be:
- start with a black wash, not to heavy, all over - not only on the recesses;
- drybrush with the mix you used from the top of the sail downwards;
- mix a little bit of a light shade of grey and drybrush near the waterline, on downward strokes - make sure the diffrence if the colours are not that evident, remember that you are working in 1/700!!
- Using the pictures posted as reference, and the links that are in the homepage of the "Seeing Red" Campaign - the last one's search for more reference pics and
with a 00 or smaller brush paint small areas of greyish near the waterline....
please refer to the reference pics!
- with the small brush (again) aply even smaller dots of a brown colour and with a flat dry brush smear the paint in the way that the rust would do - try not to overdone this, remember 1/700 scale

After each step, look at the reference pics, again and again - you probably will discover a new thing every time

Also don't forget the periscopes, they will bring a new life to that sub - that happens to be almost the size of the Type XXIII
Hope that this helps

Hi skip,

Thanks for your reply, but I don't understand everything (feeling very stupid now )




Which mix do you mean here? And do you mean I only have to drybrush the sail with this, or also the area under the sail?




What do you mean by downward strokes?




This is something like painting chips on armor models?




So the rust is only near the waterline? I thought these oscars had a special layer which avoids rust.




Where do I need to pay attention to with the scopes?




I'm sure it will once I fully understand you haha

Greetings,
Martin

Hello Martin!
Got your PM, looks like skipper has things in hand! He is the sub guy, I'm learning from Rui also. Now if this was a Battleship question! I could realy help!

Cheers,

Garry

Haha well I send you, riu and darryl a message, as you are the guys who made me enthousiastic about warships Riu's reply should be usefull once I fully understand what he's trying to teach me :-)

Well I know where I can find you for the batttleship campaign

Well Martin... for starters is Rui not Riu :-)

Now let me see if i'll can explain myself, too:

- drybrush with the mix you used from the top of the sail downwards;

This should be done with the same colour as you painted the sub inicialy. Under the sail and most of the sub, leaving the areas near the waterline...

What do you mean by downward strokes?
From the point where you put the brush, down

This way it will look as the colour is fadding away...

This is something like painting chips on armor models?
No. Please see the picture that Mike Taylor posted. As you can see right on the bow it's not like chipping paint

So the rust is only near the waterline? I thought these oscars had a special layer which avoids rust.
Here it's not a question of rust, because, as you mention it so well, modern subs have special layers and paint to avoid rust, but .... (and there's always a BUT) pipes and plumming inside don't have this treatment, so if you have a point where water pours out from the sub, there's a heavy possibility for rust to be poured out to, leaving rust on the way down - not on the surface but from the residuos inside...

Where do I need to pay attention to with the scopes?
Just paint them :-)

Hope that this time I was abble to explain myself

PS: To GarryBeebe:
Garry, when the Dreadnought Campaign starts I expect "payback time" :-) , since I don't build a battleship since I was 12 or 13, and at that time I built the Heller Cadet 1/2400 (??) Bismark and Tirpitz - which, by the way where left out in the Campaign "scale window"

Skipper

My mission is clear now sir! :-)

Skip the Sir, Martin

There's no need for it :-)

Keep us posted,

Skipper

sorry si.....skip :-)