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Posted: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 01:05 AM UTC
Thanks for the welcome, and the kind words about my corvette. I envy you having been aboard Sackville, hope you got lots of reference photos!


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1 - make some corrosion on the propeler
If you can take it out, make a mix of the colour you used, add about 50% white and with a toothbrush add little sprinkles on the propeler - small amount but would make the difference. Try before on a spare

2 - make some lighter shades on the red
You have donne a subtle weathering above, but you'll need to make something deeper to the red... just to break it - some little touches of deep green near the keel and some whiteish near the waterline, about a panel wide


I agree with your points about weathering below the waterline. The propeller does look a little 'flat'; unforunately it is fixed but I am sure I'll be able to dapple some markings onto it.

The antifouling has had several blackwashes put onto it, but I'll test out your suggestions and see if I can break things up a little.

The 16 ft dinghies arrived in the post today, each dinghy and davit set contains well over 100 pieces, so I have some more work to do now! I'll post some more pics in my gallery when there have been some developments...

Cheers!
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Posted: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 01:35 AM UTC
Graham,

You don't need to be envy about it!!
I remember that arriving there took about a three weeks from Lisbon
Lisbon to Funchal (Madeira Island)
Funchal to Boston (Two weeks stop - Good to take pictures of USS Constitution and USS Cassin Young)
Boston to Halifax (HMCS Sackville)
Hallifax to Ponta Delgada (Azores)
Ponta Delgada to Lisbon

Mostly we caught good weather, but catch some north atlantic fog banks and some "little" 6 meters waves...
During the crossing also meet the three mast brig "Danmark" school ship and they were haveng a much harder time than we
This was way back in 1991

Back to the Flower:
About the whiteish band, try using Titanium White artist oil and smear and rub it to almost none is visible

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Posted: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 02:33 AM UTC
Aha, now I understand (having read your profile)

I am still in the Royal Navy myself, have visited the States a few times but never been lucky enough to make it to Canada. Two weeks in Boston must have been fun, I was there in 1996 - also got to New York for Fleet Week, which was superb
(x about 100!)

Which ship(s) did you serve in?

Btw I'll give the titanium white a try
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Posted: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 03:16 AM UTC
Hi Graham

I served aboard
NRP João Roby (F486) in 1987, 88 and 89
NRP Honório Barreto (F484) 90 and 91
I was in the Portuguese Navy until August 91... Perhaps we have been on the same exercises? Where have you served?

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I also remembered another option for the breacking the red:
use some colours (artists oils) like Titanium White, Burned Sienna and Yellow Ochre and apply very little points with a toothpick in a "almost random" way... Then using a flat broad brush with turpentine make several passes until the colours are blended properly.

I will upload a picture of my SLC Maiale in 1/35 where I used this technice to break the green... Since it was made of steel it wouldn't rust like the other midget subs and manned torpedoes that are my main interest

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Posted: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 03:27 AM UTC
Graham



Also can check some in progress pics in my Gallery under the Album "Dive! Dive! Dive! Campaign"

If you'll need any help, please ask

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Posted: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 05:24 AM UTC


I joined in 89 and was in training until 92 (I'm an anti-submarine Sea King observer), so our paths probably didn't cross... Went front-line in Ark Royal and did a WESTLANT trip before we got mixed up in the Adriatic, where I spent most of the next two years. Since then I've travelled around quite a bit, as you'd expect.

France, Spain, Poland, Italy, Albania, most of the Med
Adriatic / Kosovo
USA, three times iirc
Singapore, Brunei (on a training course)
Various Persian Gulf states, many times!
Georgia (served with the UN for 6 months)

And have managed to get a few nice shoreside jobs as well of course :-)

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Like your subs - the Revell U-boat (along with a load of after-market stuff) is high on my shopping list. Have to save some money first though...

Regards

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Posted: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 09:59 PM UTC


Yeap! We never crossed ourselfs
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Only now here :-)
Thanks for the compliments
If you'll need any advice on the Revell U-boot...

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Posted: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 10:38 PM UTC
Blimey that thing looks real! Excellent job, and when i say it looks real i dont mean that half arsed, i mean i actually thought it was a referance pic until i saw that stand.
Beautiful job so far mate, keep it up.
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Posted: Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 08:55 AM UTC
Graham
I have seen quite a few builds of the Flower and I think this is the best I have seen, so good it makes me want to seriously consider it myself!

Coincidentally I am also building HMS Campanula at the moment, although mine is 1:700 so more like three inches rather than feet.

Excellent stuff

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Posted: Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 09:52 AM UTC
Thanks Mike, very kind of you to say so. But you need to see this one!

Do you have any pics of your Campanula yet? Must confess there are several inaccuracies with mine, had a lot of trouble finding any references for her, and was too impatient ~ put some parts in place and then found the photos showing they were wrong... Oh well.

Love the water in your submarine model - it actually looks cold!
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Posted: Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 09:47 AM UTC
Hi

WOW !! I have seen those etch sets and to tell you the truth I just do not have the patience to try and actually use them. I admire your courage

I have been tempted to pick one up and maybe try my luck at one or two of the sets ....

Great build!!

Tom

PS: Hfx is a great port
PPS: RCN (I wish) 78-88
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Posted: Sunday, June 19, 2005 - 11:43 AM UTC

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I have been tempted to pick one up and maybe try my luck at one or two of the sets ....


Problem with that is, once you try them you'll get hooked and want the whole set!

Why "I wish"?
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 03:50 AM UTC
HI

When you use the term RCN it brings back a time of customs and traditions.

We lost many of those when we unified back in the 60's. Went so far as to use army ranks !!!

True we tried to maintain as many as we could but losing the R in front of Navy was like a wound that won't heal properly.

Luckily, if you want to look at it one way, is that my hands are not as steady as they used to be and I can no longer work with small fiddly pieces of etch. And with still being in the military we tend to move a lot and having had a number of kits smunched by movers ..too painful .... I still remember seeing my 1/350 Tico class that I etched to the max being rolled sideways into wrapping paper .....

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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 05:07 AM UTC

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.... I still remember seeing my 1/350 Tico class that I etched to the max being rolled sideways into wrapping paper .....


Ouch! Know how that must have felt Tom, I cringed when I first read it. You must have around 27 years in then? Whew!
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 07:06 AM UTC
HI

On 4 Jul to be precise :-)

Kept the shell of that build as a reminder to the next set of movers ...

I would like to get a set or three of GLS etch. I know that one really needs all of them ..haha... but if you could prioritize them, are there some you would recommend above others?

Appreciate all your help

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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 08:40 AM UTC
Well in advance many congratulations for the 4th July! I hit a mere 16 years on 13 Sep (which means I qualify for a pension! )

This is pretty much the whole list of what's available from David Parkins for the corvette (he also does a prop and rudder set, I don't have those)...

9" Scuttle Set - not really necessary to be honest

Deck & Fittings Set - vital, and probably the first set you should get (also the most expensive)

Type ‘C’ Bridge Set - again, I would say vital... sorry!

Funnel & Mast Set - fairly low priority - you could probably scratch a better mast etc than the Revell version from brass tube and rod

Rope Rails, 3’ 3" Pipe Rails, 4’ 3" Pipe Rails ~ not expensive but you would need quite a lot of these, are quite a feature of the ship though so I'd get them if possible

Splinter Padding - you could scratch this easily from Milliput or similar

4" Gun Mark IX Breech Loading Gun, Incl. Base & Spare Shells
Hedgehog Anti-Sub. Weapon
2 Pdr. Pom-Pom Gun with Bandstand & Ready-Use Ammo. Locker
20mm Oerlikon Guns with bases, mounts & Ready-Use Ammo. Lockers
Mk.II Depth Charge Set [with all rails, throwers & stowage chocks]

To be honest again all the weapons are a quantum leap ahead of the plastic versions. I would definitely get the 4" gun, 2-pdr and 20 mms, the others as well if budget permitted

16’ Dinghy & Stowage (x2)
Oval Carley Floats

These are lovely little items in their own right, but the kit versions could probably be cleaned up to look fairly reasonable.

To sum up, I would buy the deck and bridge sets for definite, plus stanchions and as many of the weapon sets as you can afford. On the plus side, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, the time taken to assemble each set spreads the cost (for example, Revell produce the engine room skylight as one piece of Plastic - the PE version uses well over 100 parts!) And there's always the chance that Mr parkins might give you a discount if you buy several sets at once - no harm in asking him!

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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 08:46 AM UTC
Oh yes - forgot to mention that GLS also do some sets specific to RCN corvettes
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 09:59 AM UTC
Graham,

I just returned from a trip to Halifax last week and was lucky to visit HMCS Sackville (again). Chief Bosun Mike Muldoon was kind enough to invite a fellow Chief to the wardroom for a Beer and the $0.98 tour. The ship is cool! Very well restored, but with alot of work left to do. Kind of tough for only 4 people to tackle. Halifax was great too! Cheers!

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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 11:45 AM UTC

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Thanks Mike, very kind of you to say so. But you need to see this one!

Do you have any pics of your Campanula yet? Must confess there are several inaccuracies with mine, had a lot of trouble finding any references for her, and was too impatient ~ put some parts in place and then found the photos showing they were wrong... Oh well.

Love the water in your submarine model - it actually looks cold!


Hi Graham
Yes I had seen that one and it is a fine job, but I think you have made a better job of the weathering, and you can't have a flower without weathering!

No photos as yet although I only have the minor final details, rigging and paint job to complete but I have been stalled by trying to make a rough seabase and another model I am trying to finish as a commission. Flowers are difficult subjects as they seem to all be completely individual, yet for all but a handful photographs are hard to find. I must admit that building a 1:700 scale model means I have inevitably fudged a few details and there are a couple of minor differences I can see from the photos I have and your model, but it depends very much on the time the ship is modelled at. Besides I won't tell if you don't!

Do you have these photos?
http://p214.ezboard.com/ftheflowerclasscorvetteforumsfrm15.showMessage?topicID=164.topic

Thanks for the comments on the sub, water always seems to look better in close up photos, unfortunately the models usually don't!

Look forward to seeing your completed Campanula, any plans for a follow up?

Mike
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 11:47 AM UTC
Hi Chief!

I'd love to take a look at her, but Halifax is a long trek from the UK - unless of course I can get the RN to send me

You were lucky they only served beer on board, ever tried 'Moose's Milk?' Lethal stuff... like a (very) high octane vanilla milk shake. It's an RCN speciality

Just looked at your gallery, like the nets on the Jagdpanther - how did you make those please? And the base it's on is a very neat idea, never saw that done before

Cheers!
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 12:00 PM UTC
Hi Mike


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Flowers are difficult subjects as they seem to all be completely individual ... it depends very much on the time the ship is modelled at


Couldn't agree more - great ships and a nightmare to get accurate references for a particular hull and date!


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Do you have these photos?


I do thanks - found them after I'd done a lot of work on mine, hence the Carley float racks are all wrong. Oh well... Worse things happen at sea!


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Thanks for the comments on the sub, water always seems to look better in close up photos


If you don't mind I will have to pick your brains for the technique you used sometime, I'm planning a 1/600 Ark Royal waterline model for the 'Flat tops' campaign.


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Look forward to seeing your completed Campanula, any plans for a follow up?


Well I'd considered a 1/72 short focsle (again using GLS kits) but think I will opt instead for something that takes up a bit less time, money, and room in the house!!!
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 01:20 PM UTC
Graham,

Now I can finally see the pictures......WOW, HOLY SCHAMOLY! Looks GREAT!!!!!! I have 3 of the Revell kits on the shelf, and after seeing yours and my trip to the HMCS Sackville, a "Flower" is now in the "On Deck Circle!" I am going to build it without any PE for the first try. Then I'll get the PE sets from GLS. The third will probably be set up for R/C. Now I have a target to shoot for after looking at yours. Hopefully I'll finish in 20 months before my retirement.
In answer to your question on the nets...Simple! Cheesecloth painted dark tan. After drying 24 hours, spray a very tight pattern of squiggles dark green. 24 hours later, brush diluted white glue on the green areas, then sprinkle a mixture of dried spices from the spice rack....Parsley flakes, Marjoram and Basil (just don't tell the Missus), let dry. Cut the net into shapes that'll cover the areas you want. Spray with fine mist of water from a spray bottle and with a wide paint brush "push" the net down to conform to the contors of the vehicle, wiping/dabbing with the diluted white glue as you go to hold it down. Let dry and then spray with dullcoat to seal. You can trim the net down to fit with a sharp pair of scissors as you push it in place. The nice thing is if you don't like the way it lays, wet again and push it around, then let it dry.
Again AWESOME job on the "Flower!" Cheers!
Chief
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2005 - 02:17 PM UTC
Hi

Fantastic !!! Really want to thank you for your time. I have printed this out and will really help.

Also picked up a couple of books which should help ..now to decide what scheme

I have your shots handy as well !!

Cheers

Tom
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 09:17 AM UTC

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If you don't mind I will have to pick your brains for the technique you used sometime, I'm planning a 1/600 Ark Royal waterline model for the 'Flat tops' campaign.


Hi Graham,
Any time, my email is [email protected], drop me a line when you are ready. I recently completed a model of HMS Attacker which is on the Modelwarships gallery, so again if there is anything I may be able to help out with let me know, but looking at your Campanula I doubt it.

I would like to build a 1:700 short foc'sle as well, as you say space is at a premium at present so it will have to be a little one. I know HP models do a few flowers but not sure which type.

Cheers
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 11:16 AM UTC
Thanks very much for that Mike, will be in touch!
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