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Progress on my ICM 1/144 XXIII
madwolf
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Posted: Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 09:24 AM UTC
In getting ready for DDD2, I decided to build something smaller to work on some of my skills. (this is my 3rd model done so far so I'm very new at modeling)

My first model was an odd scale (in the 200s) U-505 which you can see here:



It was painted with a brush and some crappy paints.

The next model I build was a cheap/small 1/700 Alfa submarine I got for free with my XXI 1/144. I experimented airbrush painting on that and it came out acceptable.

So back to the topic, I am currently working on an ICM XXIII and I must say I like the kit quite a bit. I drilled out the flood holes on it (some holes didn't come out very nice and others I completely ruined and had to redo with some liquid putty, but at least I gained some experience with them)
I also pre-shaded the model although it is hardly visible on the picture. You can see it a bit better on the model, but next time I'll spray less so it is better seen. I've also found out the hard way that touching the model is not a good idea (fingerprints) so I'll have to respray the lower part of the hull, but this is what it looks like so far:



After respraying the lower part of the hull, I'll put on the decals and attempt some weathering on it. I'll keep you guys posted.

PS. I need to get some better stuff to make the antennas. My wire required too much force to straighten and using thread looks crappy. I'll try some fishing line next time.
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Posted: Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 05:25 PM UTC
Hello Ion

Check my built review if you'll need some info:
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/review/815

She's looking good

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Posted: Monday, March 20, 2006 - 04:46 AM UTC
Hey Lon,

The Type XXIII looks really nice. With respect to antenna wires, I've tried stretched sprue (which I find too fragile), fine nichrome wire (which either kinked badly or pulled off the mounting points when I tried stretching it), and "EZ line" (which isn't bad, but which isn't really circular in cross section and can be uneven). My next attempt is going to be with something called "Tippet" line which fly fisherman use to tie their flies. It comes in a variety of sizes (0.004-.011) and is supposed to be easy to work with. I've heard others tout "invisible thread" and "lycra thread" as well.

Barry
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Posted: Monday, March 20, 2006 - 05:20 AM UTC
Lycra thread works well for me. Your boat's looking good!
madwolf
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Posted: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 09:23 AM UTC
I started weathering the sub today. It's my first attempt at weathering, so please provide your input, suggestions, etc. I am already aware that I overdid it.















skipper
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Posted: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 04:41 PM UTC
Hi Ion

As you asked, here are my comments:
- You should try and place the line streched...it has a very pronouced sag (if it is streched sprue, light a match, blow the flame and while the "head" is still warm place it about 5mm near the attaching points - one at a time, of course! - the small amount of eat will make the palstic to contract and make the sag smaller)
- Or you could replace it with another with the correct size

Weathering:
- As you said it is a little overdone. It seems that you have put a lot of artists oils - you can still clean it a little with turpentine.
- In some areas the burnt sienna colour is very heavy and too condensed... Try to break it with another colour (like Yellow Ochre)
- When placing the artists oils dots, use a toothpick with just a dab (little one, really) on the point where you want the rust to start and the brush stroke with a flat brush - gently and with patience until you reach the effect you want

I think that for a first time, it's ok, but you can still improve it and make it better - just take your time and look and some build models and use them as reference
You also learn copying from others works

Skipper
madwolf
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Posted: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 12:53 AM UTC
Thanks for your feedback, skipper!

I realize my weathering is overdone, but I was experimenting with different things and I also didn't have a good flat brush to use. I will wipe off some of the rust today and see if I can do any better.

I still have problem with my wires. I first used a cotton thread and that looked ugly. I then switched to a finer metal wire and you can see the result here. I can't stretch it well enough for it to look right. I've looked for lycra thread per some of the forum members' suggestions and I couldn't find it. I will try stretching some sprue although I've never tried it before.

For my weathering I used Yellow Ochre and Burnt Sienna. I used the Burnt Sienna mainly for drawing the source of the rust. (ie, the actual damage to the metal)
There are three such spots on the picture 2nd from the bottom. One is on the white band and the other two are on the hull. I first thought I'd use them as possible damage from gunfire but now I realize that this would not be realistic since there would probably be holes or dents in that place. Well anyway, I'll see if I can fix some of this mess. Thanks again for all the help!
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Posted: Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 09:01 PM UTC
Well, she's done:



A bit heavy on the weathering, but it looks ok in person. I'll take more pictures later.
skipper
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Posted: Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 06:56 PM UTC
Hi Ion

She looks good
When you take more pictures make thema agains a solid colour background for our enjoyment!

Congratulations of your Typ XXIII
You can upload the finished pictures of it in the DDD2 Campaign Gallery

You are the first one to finish an entry

Thanks

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Posted: Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 09:27 PM UTC
Will do, skipper! BTW, thanks a lot for all the help, your XXIII has been very inspiring.
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Posted: Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 09:38 PM UTC
Hi Ion

I am glad I could help!
So...what's next?

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Posted: Monday, March 27, 2006 - 01:56 AM UTC
I'm currently working on a Revell 1/72 Messerschmitt Me262 (my first plane), then most likely my 1/144 XXI or maybe even the 1/72 VIIC. We'll see!

I'm also itching to get a VIIC/40. Do you know what are the differences between the two? Can the Modelbrass PE set be used on the VIIC/40?
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Posted: Monday, March 27, 2006 - 03:36 PM UTC
Hi Ion

I doubt the PE Modelbrass set for the VII-C will make a perfect fit for VII-C/41 and I am sure it will come out with some tons of after market sets for it once it hit the shelves!

There are a good amount of differences between the two models so, if I were you, I would wait
Check the differences here:
VII-C/41http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/artikel.php?id=1689
VII-Chttp://www.modellversium.de/galerie/artikel.php?id=572

I know that there is a post here in Armorama with a link where it show differences side by side of hull, deck, conning tower and other parts (still in the sprues)

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