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Posted: Sunday, April 02, 2006 - 11:43 PM UTC
Can we finally fix the topic title bar from 35th scale to what I'm assuming should be 350th scale?

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Posted: Monday, April 03, 2006 - 12:27 AM UTC
Frank,
Hehe...actually 35th scale was correct. I think we were lumping 350th into Large scale when we planned that out.

Thank goodness we can now start from scratch and decide what groups we need for the new forums. For example. Each forum could have a SCALE group...

1/200
1/350
1/700
etc...

Or they could have a TimePeriod group...

1/700 WWII
1/700 Modern

Or they could be by nationality...

Carriers
- USA
- Japan
- Great Britain
- USSR/FSU
- Other

It will pretty much be up to you guys to give Rui and I ideas on what might work best. The sooner we decide the sooner groups can be filtered and Hosts can be assigned.

For Subs I would think...

- WWII German
- WWII Allied
- WWII Japan
- Nuclear
- Early Subs

But that is just me. :-)

Cheers,
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Posted: Monday, April 03, 2006 - 05:33 AM UTC
OK Maties, you heard the man! AARRRGGHHH!

It's up to US to decide on this matter, Gents, so how about it? Let's have a little discussion about just what you want to see in YOUR forums for groups...I like Jim's idea about breaking down into nationality, and I DEFINITELY think there should be a dividing of scale groups...

Gunny


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Posted: Monday, April 03, 2006 - 03:47 PM UTC

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Frank,
Hehe...actually 35th scale was correct. I think we were lumping 350th into Large scale when we planned that out.

Thank goodness we can now start from scratch and decide what groups we need for the new forums. For example. Each forum could have a SCALE group...

1/200
1/350
1/700
etc...

Or they could have a TimePeriod group...

1/700 WWII
1/700 Modern

Or they could be by nationality...

Carriers
- USA
- Japan
- Great Britain
- USSR/FSU
- Other

It will pretty much be up to you guys to give Rui and I ideas on what might work best. The sooner we decide the sooner groups can be filtered and Hosts can be assigned.

For Subs I would think...

- WWII German
- WWII Allied
- WWII Japan
- Nuclear
- Early Subs

But that is just me. :-)

Cheers,
Jim


Hi Jim

I would prefer two kinds of group (which are IMHO the main separator reason):
- Scale
- Period

I liked the way the time periods are divided in Features - the "basic" ones (WWI, InterWars Period, WWII, and so on...)

As for scale, there are four main groups
1/96
1/192
1/350
1/700

The first two are usually the scratchbuilders and Museum scale - not the same picked by the modeling industry... so I would go for:
1/32~1/35
1/72~1/144
1/200~1/400
1/600~1/700-1/720
and bigger

I think that with these sub divisons we may have covered the main scales and the main building topics/groups

Just a comment on your Submarine Divison:
- where would you place modern diesel electric submarines? :-)

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Posted: Monday, April 03, 2006 - 09:55 PM UTC


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I would prefer two kinds of group (which are IMHO the main separator reason):
- Scale
- Period

I liked the way the time periods are divided in Features - the "basic" ones (WWI, InterWars Period, WWII, and so on...)

As for scale, there are four main groups
1/96
1/192
1/350
1/700

The first two are usually the scratchbuilders and Museum scale - not the same picked by the modeling industry... so I would go for:
1/32~1/35
1/72~1/144
1/200~1/400
1/600~1/700-1/720
and bigger

I think that with these sub divisons we may have covered the main scales and the main building topics/groups.


I've been thinking about this all day, Rui, and I agree with your thoughts 100%...I think that these groupings would be ideal.

Gunny
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Posted: Monday, April 03, 2006 - 10:45 PM UTC
The breakdown looks good, I would also like to see a further sub-listing for full hull and waterline. Would it be possible to have the option show up once the title is picked?

As for the basics, how about...

Wooden Ships and Iron Men ( pre 1830 or 1858)

Pre-Dreadnought... ( 1830 or 1858 to 1905, Phlegethon and Nemesis, worlds first iron warships, or we could use 1858, the origins of the French ocean-going ironclads armed with the 16cm rifle model 1855, first ships to have shells loaded through the muzzle in conventional style, making all wooden ships of the line obsolete.

Dreadnoughts... (1906 to 1938)

WW2... (1939 to 1945)

Post war... post 45


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Posted: Monday, April 03, 2006 - 11:23 PM UTC
Hi Frank

I have found your Time scale rather interesting and with good names to go along, but I think we should divide a little bit more, especially in the late XIX Century until WWII, and Post WWII, we should also be able to make at least two/three more sub divisons...

I think you shouldn't have in the "same bag" situations like a Riverine Zippo and a Kursk Submarine, or a Stealth Craft and Forrest Sherman Destroyer

I also have to agree on you on the Full Hull / Waterline division - and that will make a more complex structure here
Jim?

Frank
Thanks once again for your input

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Posted: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 - 01:38 AM UTC
My .02 worth:
It seems to me that it would be easier, from a search point of view, to start with ship type, ie...carrier, sail, etc., then take it to a particular era, ie...WW2, Korea, Cold war, etc., and then go to scale and then to full hull or water line. It would be more complicated to do a search for a particular ship(IMHO) if you started with the time frame or scale. Something to consider anyway.
I will like it no matter what you decide on.

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Posted: Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 12:55 AM UTC

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- where would you place modern diesel electric submarines? :-)

Skipper



Oooh, OOOH, OOOOOH!!!! That's such a GREAT straight line!!!!!!

How about...............................on the bottom? :-) :-) :-)


On a more serious note, I like the major divisions the way they are currently set up, by ship type. Within each of those types, I would suggest that the moderator consider that the two MAJOR considerations within a type are just what was suggested, that is:

Time period and Scale.

Each type MAY have additional categories, for example there may be enough interest within Battleships for a category devoted to the Iowa Class, or the Bismark for example. Allowing the moderator to poll those responding in each type regarding what specific headings are appropriate for each one works pretty well.


Now, here's another thought. What if I'm interested in asking a question about (for example) the US Navy as an organization, and not so much about a ship type?

Or if I have a "generic" sort of question regarding 1/350 scale?

I'm deliberately picking the kinds of sub-divisions found in the ship type categories.


Forgive the engineer/math thinking here, but it's a "matrix" sort of problem.

I can go over to the correct "column" (battleships) and then go down the rows until I get to the right one, say 1/350 scale, or WW II.

But what if I want to start on the "row" (1/700 scale ships) and I'm not all that concerned about whether it's a carrier or a submarine. How's that work?

Does that make sense?

Tom
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Posted: Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 02:09 AM UTC

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But what if I want to start on the "row" (1/700 scale ships) and I'm not all that concerned about whether it's a carrier or a submarine. How's that work?

Does that make sense?

Tom


For that you would use the General Quarters forum which is devoted to all discussions about ship modeling not found in the other specialized forums.

I think the best scenario to start is likely to see how the postings go in forums like Battleships and see what kind of filter-groups the users ask for. Obviously some modelers are very interested in certain areas (WWII vs. Modern?) so it will really depend on what those areas turn out to be.

And yes I think it would be fine to add a "modern diesel electric" to the mix for subs (or an "other").

Cheers,
Jim
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