A late Christmas present for all you naval history types.
Who am I?
Remember, ships are named “she” so these could be ships, as well as people. This year I've had to make them a bit harder, as everybody was answering them so fast.
1. One of my last signals was “Am preceding to intercept the enemy, follow me.”
2. I am the smallest of all my near sisters.
3. Although I and my sister were very small and insignificant, they took our names and gave them to two much bigger sisters.
4. My boss didn’t think very much of my efforts near Spain and I wound up a “suicide” with six stab wounds.
5. I started a real trend many years ago with my story about Lydia.
6. My sister and I would have started out life much differently but when I was done I helped give the bikini its name.
7. I studied in England so maybe that impressed me enough with Nelson so I was inspired to tell me men to “do their utmost.”
8. In January of 1945 I was assaulted by people who should have been my friends.
9. My name was first given to an “Italian Job” but I was best known years later when associated with this “Valley of the Sun” city.
10. I was born in Great Britain but first I was going to Turkey. When the British stopped playing with me they were going to let me go home, but my parent’s didn’t want me anymore.
11. I was named after a place that became famous a few years later because it was a real Dynamo.
12. I was named after a famous sister who made her name around India, until she ran afoul of some men from “down under.”
13. I was in the shadow of another when I took care of the person mentioned in number four.
14. I got really ticked off when “the whole world wondered.”
15. Long before I was in space I got 20 battle stars and was even honored by the British.
16. I put the town of Langton Matravers on the map.
17. I am the only ship in the U.S. Navy to have a British officer officially in permanent residence.
18. In a huge irony I rendered honors to the subject of number 17.
19. I changed my name from a symbol of power to the name of my homeland.
20. Some say I showed my contempt for the powers that be when I chose an old cloth when I went to my grave.
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14. I got really ticked off when “the whole world wondered.”
Admiral William F. Halsey. "...the world wonders." was actually padding to the message. It was not part of Nimitz' original message
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15. Long before I was in space I got 20 battle stars and was even honored by the British.
CV-6 USS Enterprise
from the CV-6 website:
Enterprise's exploits did not go unrecognized, at home or abroad. Over the course of the war, she received 20 battle stars, three more than any other ship (sisterships New Orleans CA-32, Minneapolis CA-36 and San Francisco CA-38 each received 17 battle stars), and seven more than the next carrier (Essex CV-9, which received 13 stars).
In May 1943, while she prepared to return to the States for much needed repair and refitting, Enterprise became the first aircraft carrier to be awarded the Presidential Unit Citation. She later received a Navy Unit Commendation, becoming the only carrier awarded both decorations for service in the Second World War.
Perhaps her two most prestigious tributes were received after she left the war. In August 1945, Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal cited Enterprise as the "one vessel that most nearly symbolizes the history of the Navy in this war." Two months later, following the Navy Day celebration in New York in October 1945, Secretary Forrestal recommended to President Truman that Enterprise, unable to operate the heavier, faster aircraft then entering service, be preserved "as a visible symbol of American valor and tenacity in war, and of our will to fight all enemies who assail us...."
Later that fall, while participating in the Magic Carpet program for returning servicemen to state-side from the European theater, Enterprise docked in Southampton, England on November 23, 1945. During her brief stay, she was boarded by the British First Lord of the Admiralty, Sir Albert Alexander, who presented Enterprise a British Admiralty Pennant, the most prestigious decoration of the Royal Navy. Enterprise is the only ship outside the Royal Navy to have received the pennant, in the more than 400 years since its creation.
Enterprise and her veterans, included among the 16 ships and 10,000 sailors, airmen and Marines who took part in the Doolittle Raid in April 1942, were officially recognized for their daring exploit just recently, on May 15, 1995. The Task Force 16 Citation is the most recent decoration awarded Enterprise and her veterans: it may not be the last.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 07:05 AM UTC
Right you are on both counts Kenny.
Halsey apparently went ballistic when he was read the message. The junior officer who relayed the message shouldn't have included the padding. Nobody let knows where the office who sent the message, including the padding, or the office who relayed the message knew that that day was the anniversary of the Charge of the Light Brigade , the poem about which is where the line "all the world wonders" appears. I doubt Halsey would have reacted any better if he had known about the poem.
USS Enterprise certainly was one of the most, if not the most heavily decorated ship in all of US history. It is a crying shame that a little more thought hadn't been given to saving her as a memorial to stand alongside HMS Victory and USS Constitution.
Halsey apparently went ballistic when he was read the message. The junior officer who relayed the message shouldn't have included the padding. Nobody let knows where the office who sent the message, including the padding, or the office who relayed the message knew that that day was the anniversary of the Charge of the Light Brigade , the poem about which is where the line "all the world wonders" appears. I doubt Halsey would have reacted any better if he had known about the poem.
USS Enterprise certainly was one of the most, if not the most heavily decorated ship in all of US history. It is a crying shame that a little more thought hadn't been given to saving her as a memorial to stand alongside HMS Victory and USS Constitution.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 07:47 AM UTC
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. One of my last signals was “Am preceding to intercept the enemy, follow me.”
Admiraal Karel Doorman. The Dutch Admiral commanding the fleet going in to attack the invading Japanese approaching Indonesia (then of course the Dutch Indies). They stood no change, a first in Dutch Naval history, and Admiral Doorman went down with his ship. Like a true captain.
edit- He commanded the cruiser De Ruyter (named after another famous Dutch Captain) and was in charge of the combined Dutch, British, American and Australian taskforce in the South East. Tasked with the defence of Java, they where vastly outnumbered but attacked and sunk many Japanese ships. Doorman went down with his ship, after it was struck by a torpedo during the battle of the Java Sea, even though time and resque craft were available. His famous 'battle cry' "Ik val aan, volgt my", (I'm attacking, follow me) has been accredited in some reports as being a romanticised version of "volgt my", which was to urge the task force to follow his ship, rather than the Essex, who had to return to dock at that time.
A true Naval Hero, who has had a number of Dutch Navy ships named after him.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 09:02 AM UTC
Right on Henk. Doorman was a true hero, in every sense of the word.
"which was to urge the task force to follow his ship, rather than the Essex, who had to return to dock at that time. "
Wouldn't that be the Exeter? I'm not familiar with an Essex at the battle. (Too bad, kind of like the Twilight Zone episode where the Stuart tank goes back to Custer's last stand. An Essex class fleet carrier, with a full load of Helldivers, Avengers, and Hellcats, could have really torn into the Japanese fleet."
"which was to urge the task force to follow his ship, rather than the Essex, who had to return to dock at that time. "
Wouldn't that be the Exeter? I'm not familiar with an Essex at the battle. (Too bad, kind of like the Twilight Zone episode where the Stuart tank goes back to Custer's last stand. An Essex class fleet carrier, with a full load of Helldivers, Avengers, and Hellcats, could have really torn into the Japanese fleet."
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Posted: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 - 09:07 AM UTC
Yes Rodger, you are right, that should of course be the Exeter.... 
I'll crawl away and hide in shame..
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I'll crawl away and hide in shame..
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2006 - 08:27 AM UTC
Is number 4 Duke of Medina Sidonia?
That would be the USS Saratoga CV-3, which was laid down as a battlecruiser but ended up an unwilling participant of Operation Crossroad at the Bikini Atoll.
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6. My sister and I would have started out life much differently but when I was done I helped give the bikini its name.
That would be the USS Saratoga CV-3, which was laid down as a battlecruiser but ended up an unwilling participant of Operation Crossroad at the Bikini Atoll.
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Posted: Thursday, December 28, 2006 - 09:40 AM UTC
Right on with number 6. USS Saratoga, "sister Sara" took a fairly long time to sink after the Baker test. It was concluded that if she had been manned she probably could have survived. Many crewman on the surrounding ships wanted to run to her aid, but were turned down.
Good guess on Number 4 but I'm not thinking of the Duke. We'll go a few more days and I'll post a hint for this one that should help.
Good guess on Number 4 but I'm not thinking of the Duke. We'll go a few more days and I'll post a hint for this one that should help.
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Posted: Friday, December 29, 2006 - 05:32 AM UTC
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17. I am the only ship in the U.S. Navy to have a British officer officially in permanent residence.
18. In a huge irony I rendered honors to the subject of number 17.
Would that be 16) USS Churchill and 17) D185 Lütjens?
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Posted: Friday, December 29, 2006 - 08:07 AM UTC
Yes indeed, USS Churchill is the USN ship. I thought she would be the first ship named for an Englishman, but her website says she's the fourth. She has a RN crewman permanently assigned to her.
Yes also on the Lutjens. Several days after the attacks on 9/11 the Lutjens, named for the admiral aboard the Bismarck on the famous sortie, asked to pass close aboard the Churchill. Flying an American flag at half mast, with a large sign reading, "We stand by you", the Lutjens crew manned the rail to render honors to the Churchill.
Yes also on the Lutjens. Several days after the attacks on 9/11 the Lutjens, named for the admiral aboard the Bismarck on the famous sortie, asked to pass close aboard the Churchill. Flying an American flag at half mast, with a large sign reading, "We stand by you", the Lutjens crew manned the rail to render honors to the Churchill.
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Posted: Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 10:16 PM UTC
Bump.
Does anybody want any hints?
Does anybody want any hints?
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That would be nice Rodger. 
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Posted: Sunday, December 31, 2006 - 11:38 PM UTC
Who am I?
Remember, ships are named “she” so these could be ships, as well as people.
1. One of my last signals was “Am preceding to intercept the enemy, follow me.” This has been answered.
2. I am the smallest of all my near sisters. This refers to the smallest class of ships rated as Dreadnoughts.
3. Although I and my sister were very small and insignificant, they took our names and gave them to two much bigger sisters. These were two Japanese gunboats who names were later given to two much larger ships.
4. My boss didn’t think very much of my efforts near Spain and I wound up a “suicide” with six stab wounds. Gator guessed the Duke of Medina Sedona. Think a couple hundred years later, and not Spanish.
5. I started a real trend many years ago with my story about Lydia. This author pretty much created an entire genre of naval historical fiction.
6. My sister and I would have started out life much differently but when I was done I helped give the bikini its name. This has been answered.
7. I studied in England so maybe that impressed me enough with Nelson so I was inspired to tell me men to “do their utmost.” Think of the famous Z flag signal.
8. In January of 1945 I was assaulted by people who should have been my friends. This ships navy was fated to always fighting the wrong people in WWII.
9. My name was first given to an “Italian Job” but I was best known years later when associated with this “Valley of the Sun” city. Think about the Falklands.
10. I was born in Great Britain but first I was going to Turkey. When the British stopped playing with me they were going to let me go home, but my parent’s didn’t want me anymore. This ships had seven big gun turrets.
11. I was named after a place that became famous a few years later because it was a real Dynamo. The ship is French.
12. I was named after a famous sister who made her name around India, until she ran afoul of some men from “down under.” This was a WWII ship named after a famous WWI ship.
13. I was in the shadow of another when I took care of the person mentioned in number four. I was second in command until my commander was killed.
14. I got really ticked off when “the whole world wondered.” This was ansered.
15. Long before I was in space I got 20 battle stars and was even honored by the British. This was answered.
16. I put the town of Langton Matravers on the map. I became the first, and only, Baron of Langton Matravers.
17. I am the only ship in the U.S. Navy to have a British officer officially in permanent residence. This was answered.
18. In a huge irony I rendered honors to the subject of number 17. This was answered.
19. I changed my name from a symbol of power to the name of my homeland. The symbol of power was ancient, until resurrected by a more modern power.
20. Some say I showed my contempt for the powers that be when I chose an old cloth when I went to my grave. Though I am not from South America both my ship and I gained most fame near there.
Remember, ships are named “she” so these could be ships, as well as people.
1. One of my last signals was “Am preceding to intercept the enemy, follow me.” This has been answered.
2. I am the smallest of all my near sisters. This refers to the smallest class of ships rated as Dreadnoughts.
3. Although I and my sister were very small and insignificant, they took our names and gave them to two much bigger sisters. These were two Japanese gunboats who names were later given to two much larger ships.
4. My boss didn’t think very much of my efforts near Spain and I wound up a “suicide” with six stab wounds. Gator guessed the Duke of Medina Sedona. Think a couple hundred years later, and not Spanish.
5. I started a real trend many years ago with my story about Lydia. This author pretty much created an entire genre of naval historical fiction.
6. My sister and I would have started out life much differently but when I was done I helped give the bikini its name. This has been answered.
7. I studied in England so maybe that impressed me enough with Nelson so I was inspired to tell me men to “do their utmost.” Think of the famous Z flag signal.
8. In January of 1945 I was assaulted by people who should have been my friends. This ships navy was fated to always fighting the wrong people in WWII.
9. My name was first given to an “Italian Job” but I was best known years later when associated with this “Valley of the Sun” city. Think about the Falklands.
10. I was born in Great Britain but first I was going to Turkey. When the British stopped playing with me they were going to let me go home, but my parent’s didn’t want me anymore. This ships had seven big gun turrets.
11. I was named after a place that became famous a few years later because it was a real Dynamo. The ship is French.
12. I was named after a famous sister who made her name around India, until she ran afoul of some men from “down under.” This was a WWII ship named after a famous WWI ship.
13. I was in the shadow of another when I took care of the person mentioned in number four. I was second in command until my commander was killed.
14. I got really ticked off when “the whole world wondered.” This was ansered.
15. Long before I was in space I got 20 battle stars and was even honored by the British. This was answered.
16. I put the town of Langton Matravers on the map. I became the first, and only, Baron of Langton Matravers.
17. I am the only ship in the U.S. Navy to have a British officer officially in permanent residence. This was answered.
18. In a huge irony I rendered honors to the subject of number 17. This was answered.
19. I changed my name from a symbol of power to the name of my homeland. The symbol of power was ancient, until resurrected by a more modern power.
20. Some say I showed my contempt for the powers that be when I chose an old cloth when I went to my grave. Though I am not from South America both my ship and I gained most fame near there.
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7. I studied in England so maybe that impressed me enough with Nelson so I was inspired to tell me men to “do their utmost.” Think of the famous Z flag signal.
Admiral Heihachiro Togo
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9. My name was first given to an “Italian Job” but I was best known years later when associated with this “Valley of the Sun” city. Think about the Falklands.
USS PHOENIX
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Posted: Monday, January 01, 2007 - 06:35 AM UTC
Well, then #5 must be C.S. Forester & the Hornblower series.
This is tough, good job Rodger ...
John
This is tough, good job Rodger ...
John
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Posted: Monday, January 01, 2007 - 08:31 AM UTC
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Quoted Text7. I studied in England so maybe that impressed me enough with Nelson so I was inspired to tell me men to “do their utmost.” Think of the famous Z flag signal.
Admiral Heihachiro Togo
Quoted Text9. My name was first given to an “Italian Job” but I was best known years later when associated with this “Valley of the Sun” city. Think about the Falklands.
USS PHOENIX
Yes, Number 7 is Admiral Togo. The "Z flag" was flown at Tsushima. The flag hoist is generally translated as "All hands will do their utmost."
Number 9 is also right, sort of. The name I was going for was General Belgrano. Originally the name was given to an Italian built warship. When Argentina purchased the former USS Phoenix the name was given to her instead.
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Well, then #5 must be C.S. Forester & the Hornblower series.
This is tough, good job Rodger ...
John
Yes indeed. It all started just after dawn on board the HMS Lydia. Alexander Kent, Dudley Pope, C Northcoat Parkinson, and of course Patrick O'Brien, to name just those I can think of off the top of my head, all owe a great deal to C.S. Forester.
Thanks also.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 03:13 AM UTC
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19. I changed my name from a symbol of power to the name of my homeland.
I should get this, the Littorio renamed the Italia.
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10. I was born in Great Britain but first I was going to Turkey. When the British stopped playing with me they were going to let me go home, but my parent’s didn’t want me anymore. This ships had seven big gun turrets.
That would be 'HMS Agincourt' (ex-Sultan Osman I) armed with 14 x 12inch guns in seven turrets, as a side note the turrets were not named A, B, Q etc but were named after the days of the week.
Edit- This ship was built for the Brazilian government as the Rio de Janerio, but in July 1912 they started looking for a buyer. She was brought by Turkey in early 1914 for £2,725,000. When war broke out she was complete and docked at Devonport, Chruchill ordered that she be delayed until Turkeys position became clear, as soon as Turkey showed signs of being friendly with Germany the ship was seized and incorporated into the RN.
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20. Some say I showed my contempt for the powers that be when I chose an old cloth when I went to my grave.
It sound like Captain Hans Langsdorff and the Admiral Graf Spee.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 06:33 AM UTC
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Quoted Text19. I changed my name from a symbol of power to the name of my homeland.
I should get this, the Littorio renamed the Italia.
Yes indeed, and yes, YOU of all people should get it. Italia, nee Littorio, is the one.
Quoted Text10. I was born in Great Britain but first I was going to Turkey. When the British stopped playing with me they were going to let me go home, but my parent’s didn’t want me anymore. This ships had seven big gun turrets.
That would be 'HMS Agincourt' (ex-Sultan Osman I) armed with 14 x 12inch guns in seven turrets, as a side note the turrets were not named A, B, Q etc but were named after the days of the week.
Edit- This ship was built for the Brazilian government as the Rio de Janerio, but in July 1912 they started looking for a buyer. She was brought by Turkey in early 1914 for £2,725,000. When war broke out she was complete and docked at Devonport, Chruchill ordered that she be delayed until Turkeys position became clear, as soon as Turkey showed signs of being friendly with Germany the ship was seized and incorporated into the RN.
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Yep, yep, yep, the Agincourt, nee Sultan Osman I, nee Rio de Janerio is the ship. I am just facinated by those seven turrets. I'd love to do a, plastic, model of her.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 - 06:36 AM UTC
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Quoted Text20. Some say I showed my contempt for the powers that be when I chose an old cloth when I went to my grave.
It sound like Captain Hans Langsdorff and the Admiral Graf Spee.
That's exactly who I meant. I had the hardest time coming up with a line for this one. Some accounts said he laid on the Nazi flag, but most claim it was the old Imperial battle ensign. Of course nobody knows for sure why he chose that flag, but I like to think it was because of his contempt for the Nazi leaders of his country.
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Yep, yep, yep, the Agincourt, nee Sultan Osman I, nee Rio de Janerio is the ship. I am just facinated by those seven turrets. I'd love to do a, plastic, model of her.
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Rodger 'Kombrig' do a resin kit of the Agincourt in 1/700.
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Yep, yep, yep, the Agincourt, nee Sultan Osman I, nee Rio de Janerio is the ship. I am just facinated by those seven turrets. I'd love to do a, plastic, model of her.
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Rodger 'Kombrig' do a resin kit of the Agincourt in 1/700.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 02:43 AM UTC
Ahoy mates! Did you guys give up on Rodger's quiz?
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Ahoy mates! Did you guys give up on Rodger's quiz?
Oops, didn't I post the answers? I meant to. Give me a day of so and I'll post them. It's been long enough.
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