I need your help...desperately looking for measurements, drawings, and/or photos, or links to, of Gato ammo shells, live and empty cartridges (not asking for too much, eh?
), for the 4"/50 deck-gun and for the 40 mm Bofors. . .~Gunny
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Gunny
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Posted: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 03:50 PM UTC
Ahoy, mates!
I need your help...desperately looking for measurements, drawings, and/or photos, or links to, of Gato ammo shells, live and empty cartridges (not asking for too much, eh? ), for the 4"/50 deck-gun and for the 40 mm Bofors. . .
~Gunny
I need your help...desperately looking for measurements, drawings, and/or photos, or links to, of Gato ammo shells, live and empty cartridges (not asking for too much, eh?
), for the 4"/50 deck-gun and for the 40 mm Bofors. . .~Gunny
rokket2001
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Posted: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 04:44 PM UTC
Hi Gunny,
Not much to offer, but at: http://www.armed-guard.com/ I did find a shot of a dummy 3"/50, and a 5"38 (???)
It's a site just on Merchant Marine Gunners andis very interesting, might prove somewhat useful in what it leads to ...?
Will keep my eye open!
Not much to offer, but at: http://www.armed-guard.com/ I did find a shot of a dummy 3"/50, and a 5"38 (???)
It's a site just on Merchant Marine Gunners andis very interesting, might prove somewhat useful in what it leads to ...?
Will keep my eye open!
Gunny
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Posted: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 05:18 PM UTC
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Hi Gunny,
Not much to offer, but at: http://www.armed-guard.com/ I did find a shot of a dummy 3"/50, and a 5"38 (???)
It's a site just on Merchant Marine Gunners andis very interesting, might prove somewhat useful in what it leads to ...?
Will keep my eye open!
Hey Wink!
Thanks for watchin my back, mate,
I will check out yer lead tout de suite!
~Gunny
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Posted: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 06:49 PM UTC
Gunny
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Posted: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 - 07:31 PM UTC
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Ahoy mate. Try this site. It may give you enough info for what you need.
Collector's Armory
~Kenny
Thanks, gator, heading there now, bro................
redshirt
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Posted: Friday, March 09, 2007 - 12:31 PM UTC
Hi, I would suguest
http://www.navweaps.com/
look under Naval Guns and then United states
the site also has an ammunition listing.
also
http://www.hnsa.org/index.htm
it has many ships and subs, thier sites may have some pics for ya.
http://www.navweaps.com/
look under Naval Guns and then United states
the site also has an ammunition listing.
also
http://www.hnsa.org/index.htm
it has many ships and subs, thier sites may have some pics for ya.
rokket2001
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Posted: Friday, March 09, 2007 - 01:19 PM UTC
So whatcha buildin'?
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Posted: Friday, March 09, 2007 - 04:09 PM UTC
Ahoy, mates!
Thanks for the help, thus far, gentlemen...I've got the Bofors 40mm completely covered, but I desperately need some specs on the 4"/50 rounds...any more ideas?
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So whatcha buildin'?
Still planning, mate, still planning. . .
Keep Modeling!
~Gunny
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Posted: Friday, March 09, 2007 - 06:23 PM UTC
Dang I don’t think I have anything like that in my collection.
I’ll search around a little and let you know if I find anything.
I’ll search around a little and let you know if I find anything.
gator
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Posted: Friday, March 09, 2007 - 10:46 PM UTC
Bad thing about the naval 4" mount is that it was replaced with the 5" mount on many boats. That's why it is so hard to find any info.
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Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 01:41 AM UTC
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Bad thing about the naval 4" mount is that it was replaced with the 5" mount on many boats. That's why it is so hard to find any info.
That's precisely what I'm into, mate...I've found info on the older RN guns of the same calibre, but nothing on the US Navy Marks 7 thru 10...getting a bit nuts about it at this point, too!
~Gunny
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Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 02:11 AM UTC
I haven’t found much of anything ether Mark.
I did find a picture of a 3"/50 and the casing looks like it tapers down at the end. I’m wondering if they may have just left the taper off an fit a larger bullet into the casing?
I did find a picture of a 3"/50 and the casing looks like it tapers down at the end. I’m wondering if they may have just left the taper off an fit a larger bullet into the casing?
Gunny
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Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2007 - 06:21 AM UTC
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I haven’t found much of anything ether Mark.
I did find a picture of a 3"/50 and the casing looks like it tapers down at the end. I’m wondering if they may have just left the taper off an fit a larger bullet into the casing?
Thanks, Jacob,
I'm still coming up empty handed...I used to have some drawings of the ammo cartridges, but I'll be derned if I can find em....I appreciate the searching though mate! If you run across anything, gimme a shout!
~Mark
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 05:02 PM UTC
I found this on navweps for the 4"/50
Ammunition
.
Type Fixed
Weight of Complete Round 62.4 - 64.75 lbs. (28.3 - 29.4 kg)
Projectile Types and Weights AP - 33 lbs. (14.97 kg)
HC - N/A
Bursting Charge N/A
Projectile Length N/A
Propellant Charge 14.5 lbs. (6.58 kg)
Cartridge - 31 lbs. (14 kg)
Muzzle Velocity Mark 7 - 2,500 fps (762 mps)
Mark 8 - 2,800 fps (853 mps)
Mark 9 - 2,900 fps (884 mps)
Working Pressure 17 tons/in2 (2,680 kg/cm2)
Approximate Barrel Life Non-chrome plated: 400 to 500 rounds
Chrome plated: About 600 rounds
Magazine capacity per gun Destroyers: about 300 rounds
Others: N/A
Note the "Projectile Types and Weights AP - 33 lbs. (14.97 kg) "
if you can find a US armor piercing 33 lb round I bet it will be for the 4"/50
I'll keep an eye out for it.
Also they state that the Gatos stated with a 3" then to 4. so perhaps a grain of salt is called for.
Ammunition
.
Type Fixed
Weight of Complete Round 62.4 - 64.75 lbs. (28.3 - 29.4 kg)
Projectile Types and Weights AP - 33 lbs. (14.97 kg)
HC - N/A
Bursting Charge N/A
Projectile Length N/A
Propellant Charge 14.5 lbs. (6.58 kg)
Cartridge - 31 lbs. (14 kg)
Muzzle Velocity Mark 7 - 2,500 fps (762 mps)
Mark 8 - 2,800 fps (853 mps)
Mark 9 - 2,900 fps (884 mps)
Working Pressure 17 tons/in2 (2,680 kg/cm2)
Approximate Barrel Life Non-chrome plated: 400 to 500 rounds
Chrome plated: About 600 rounds
Magazine capacity per gun Destroyers: about 300 rounds
Others: N/A
Note the "Projectile Types and Weights AP - 33 lbs. (14.97 kg) "
if you can find a US armor piercing 33 lb round I bet it will be for the 4"/50
I'll keep an eye out for it.
Also they state that the Gatos stated with a 3" then to 4. so perhaps a grain of salt is called for.
Gunny
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 - 05:42 PM UTC
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I'll keep an eye out for it.
Thanks mate!
~Gunny
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Posted: Friday, March 16, 2007 - 10:25 AM UTC
Ahoy Gunny,
Have you tried the 2 new releases on the Gato.
Squadron Gato in Action and the Warship Pictorial.
I have picked up a Gato but haven't started to gather info yet.
Just a suggestion,
Joe
Have you tried the 2 new releases on the Gato.
Squadron Gato in Action and the Warship Pictorial.
I have picked up a Gato but haven't started to gather info yet.
Just a suggestion,
Joe
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Posted: Friday, March 16, 2007 - 10:51 AM UTC
9. USA 4"/50 (10.2 cm) Marks 7, 8, 9 and 10
Weights AP - 33 lbs. (14.97 kg) ... A . Range . Elevation With 33 lbs. (14.97 kg) AP MV = 2,900 fps ( ... seconds . Armor Penetration with 33 lbs. (14.97 kg) AP Shell . Range Side Armor
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_4-50_mk9.htm
10. USA 4"/40 (10.2 cm) Marks 1, 3, 4, 5 and 6
Weights AP - 33 lbs. (15 kg) Common - 33 lbs. (15 kg) Weight ... A . Range . Elevation With 33 lbs. (15 kg) HE ... m) . Armor Penetration with 33 lbs. (15 kg) AP Shell . Range Side Armor
Both of these are from NavWeps, looks like the same make and all models. I have hade no luck with schematics- I went to check Jane’s Ammunition, but they want $ and I wasn’t planning to go to the library.
Weights AP - 33 lbs. (14.97 kg) ... A . Range . Elevation With 33 lbs. (14.97 kg) AP MV = 2,900 fps ( ... seconds . Armor Penetration with 33 lbs. (14.97 kg) AP Shell . Range Side Armor
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_4-50_mk9.htm
10. USA 4"/40 (10.2 cm) Marks 1, 3, 4, 5 and 6
Weights AP - 33 lbs. (15 kg) Common - 33 lbs. (15 kg) Weight ... A . Range . Elevation With 33 lbs. (15 kg) HE ... m) . Armor Penetration with 33 lbs. (15 kg) AP Shell . Range Side Armor
Both of these are from NavWeps, looks like the same make and all models. I have hade no luck with schematics- I went to check Jane’s Ammunition, but they want $ and I wasn’t planning to go to the library.
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Posted: Friday, March 16, 2007 - 03:52 PM UTC
Hey, Joe, Redshirt...
Yeah, tried the new resources as well as the old, mates, and quite honestly, I didn't think of trying Janes Ammo! ( Doh!
)
Thanks for all of yer efforts gents, going to examine this outlet a bit further...
~Gunny
Yeah, tried the new resources as well as the old, mates, and quite honestly, I didn't think of trying Janes Ammo! ( Doh!
)Thanks for all of yer efforts gents, going to examine this outlet a bit further...
~Gunny
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2007 - 02:35 PM UTC
Submarine gun crew in action! Manning a 4-incher, these deep-seamen are duelling on the surface. Hot-shell man removes shell case as the third loader passses up shell.Greenling's (SS-213) gunners staged a similar scene, night in April 1942.
Text & photo courtesy of Theodore Roscoe, from his book "U.S. Submarine Operations of WW II", published by USNI.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08213.htm
How about that! Gato, 4", shell and casing. Not as good as a blue print but the next best thing.
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2007 - 03:01 PM UTC
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Submarine gun crew in action! Manning a 4-incher, these deep-seamen are duelling on the surface. Hot-shell man removes shell case as the third loader passses up shell.Greenling's (SS-213) gunners staged a similar scene, night in April 1942.
Text & photo courtesy of Theodore Roscoe, from his book "U.S. Submarine Operations of WW II", published by USNI.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08213.htm
How about that! Gato, 4", shell and casing. Not as good as a blue print but the next best thing.
GREAT PHOTO, mate!!!!
I think with the previous info and this photo, I sould be able to move ahead, my friend...thanks for all of your dedicated help! If you get anything else, you know where to find me!
Cheers,
~Gunny
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