hello all,
i am looking for help for my build of the San Francisco.it is the trumpeter kit 1/350 scale.i am doing an OOB,but i am not sure if the color guild is right.i sent an e-mail to john at whiteensign about the colors to use.
Mark,i would like to do this as a WIP blog,if that is ok with you.i even might see if i can get it done for the forgotten sisters campaign.
any,and all help is welcome.i had to put 80% of my books in storage,so i don't have any books on hand on this ship to help me.
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Monday, March 24, 2008 - 07:13 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, March 24, 2008 - 08:26 PM UTC
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hello all,
i am looking for help for my build of the San Francisco.it is the trumpeter kit 1/350 scale.i am doing an OOB,but i am not sure if the color guild is right.i sent an e-mail to john at whiteensign about the colors to use.
Hi Bruce!
Have you checked here? for info on your color scheme?
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Mark,i would like to do this as a WIP blog,if that is ok with you.i even might see if i can get it done for the forgotten sisters campaign.
Done!
MartinJQuinn
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 02:40 AM UTC
If you are building the kit out of the box, San Francisco wore Ms 21, overall Navy Blue. That means all vertical surfaces would be painted 5N, Navy Blue. All decks would be 20B, Deck Blue. The underwater section would be Norfolk Anti-Fouling Red, the boot stripe black.
Here's the equivalents in the WEM line:
US 08 5-N NAVY BLUE
US 10 1942 REVISED DECK BLUE 20-B
US 14 NORFOLK 65A ANTI-FOULING RED
C 02 MATT BLACK
Saw your note about building her for the Forgotten Sisters Campaign. I don't want to rain on your parade, but San Francisco might be the best known member of this class, alongside the three sisters sunk at the Battle of Savo Island. But that's a decision for Frank (Wildspear) to make, I'm just offering my opinion.
Good luck with your build.
Here's the equivalents in the WEM line:
US 08 5-N NAVY BLUE
US 10 1942 REVISED DECK BLUE 20-B
US 14 NORFOLK 65A ANTI-FOULING RED
C 02 MATT BLACK
Saw your note about building her for the Forgotten Sisters Campaign. I don't want to rain on your parade, but San Francisco might be the best known member of this class, alongside the three sisters sunk at the Battle of Savo Island. But that's a decision for Frank (Wildspear) to make, I'm just offering my opinion.
Good luck with your build.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 06:27 AM UTC
The San Francisco was a memeber of the New Orleans class which according the rules is the "lead sister". So by the rules, the San Francisco OOB is eligable. I am waiting for a PE set to even consider working on mine. GMM should have theirs out shortly and I think Tom's also is making one.
Martin what would equivalent colors be in Modelmaster enamels. I can figure out the red and black and I have a deck color I use so what is the closest MM color to the 5N navy blue?
Martin what would equivalent colors be in Modelmaster enamels. I can figure out the red and black and I have a deck color I use so what is the closest MM color to the 5N navy blue?
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 07:03 AM UTC
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The San Francisco was a memeber of the New Orleans class which according the rules is the "lead sister". So by the rules, the San Francisco OOB is eligable.
Is that the rule? I wasn't sure. Guess I saw "forgotten sister" as more of one that toiled out of the limelight or wasn't as famous as another in the class.
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Martin what would equivalent colors be in Modelmaster enamels. I can figure out the red and black and I have a deck color I use so what is the closest MM color to the 5N navy blue?
I have to claim ignorance here - I only use WEM colors. Back in the day before WEM colourcoats, I used Humbrol 77 for the 5N on my 1/700 USS Saratoga (CV-3). That looks like a reasonable match to me.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 07:27 AM UTC
hello all,
Mark,
thanks for the site, that explains alot.
hello Martin,
i sent an e-mail to WEM and they said the same thing.next time i will just ask you.thanks for the info.
hello Steve,
i am doing an OOB,no PE for this build.but i am going to get another kit and do it with PE the next time.
Jim,
PM sent.
thanks for all your help,this is why Model Shipwright is the best site for Ship Building.
cheers,
Bruce
Mark,
thanks for the site, that explains alot.
hello Martin,
i sent an e-mail to WEM and they said the same thing.next time i will just ask you.thanks for the info.
hello Steve,
i am doing an OOB,no PE for this build.but i am going to get another kit and do it with PE the next time.
Jim,
PM sent.
thanks for all your help,this is why Model Shipwright is the best site for Ship Building.
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 11:55 AM UTC
hell all,
another dumb question,is there any good books on the San Fran,like the signal/squadron books.Jim has asked me do do a review on the kit.it should be ready my next Monday.
cheers,
Bruce
another dumb question,is there any good books on the San Fran,like the signal/squadron books.Jim has asked me do do a review on the kit.it should be ready my next Monday.
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 09:35 PM UTC
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hell all,
another dumb question,is there any good books on the San Fran,like the signal/squadron books.Jim has asked me do do a review on the kit.it should be ready my next Monday.
cheers,
Bruce
Here's a good start, mate...
MartinJQuinn
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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 02:21 AM UTC
There are also the Classic Warship books, Warship Pictorial #5 USS San Francisco and Warship Pictorial #7 New Orleans Class Cruisers. Unfortunately, both are out of print.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 05:36 AM UTC
hello Mark & Martin,thanks for the book titles.they are next on my list to buy.
cheers,
Bruce
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 08:04 PM UTC
hello all,
do you know who has WEM colorcoat paint i can buy online in the states.the last time i got something from Britian,it took 12 weeks to get here,and i had to pay extra for exchange rate.
i would like to find a stateside dealer.
cheers,
Bruce
do you know who has WEM colorcoat paint i can buy online in the states.the last time i got something from Britian,it took 12 weeks to get here,and i had to pay extra for exchange rate.
i would like to find a stateside dealer.
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 - 03:20 AM UTC
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hello all,
do you know who has WEM colorcoat paint i can buy online in the states.the last time i got something from Britian,it took 12 weeks to get here,and i had to pay extra for exchange rate.
i would like to find a stateside dealer.
cheers,
Bruce
Roll Models carries the line, not sure if they carry the Naval Colors too.
For what it's worth, I order from WEM quite often, via their online shop. They ship quickly (as long as it's in stock), and will ship a single tin, if that is what you need. Yeah, the exchange rate sucks right now, but if you want it quickly...
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Posted: Friday, March 28, 2008 - 07:22 AM UTC
hello all,
on the review front,the photo's will not be taken till Wed.of next week.we have 3 snow storms coming in,so no out door photo's.
i am still looking for a stateside source for WEM Colorcoats,all the places i order from do not carry them,yet.
cheers,
Bruce
on the review front,the photo's will not be taken till Wed.of next week.we have 3 snow storms coming in,so no out door photo's.
i am still looking for a stateside source for WEM Colorcoats,all the places i order from do not carry them,yet.
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Friday, March 28, 2008 - 08:19 AM UTC
Bruce,
I bought my WEM paints from Great Models. Not sure if you tired them or not.
I think the storms that are hitting you will be running over here this week, we are looking to get 9 days of rain and cold.
I bought my WEM paints from Great Models. Not sure if you tired them or not.
I think the storms that are hitting you will be running over here this week, we are looking to get 9 days of rain and cold.
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Posted: Friday, March 28, 2008 - 08:44 AM UTC
hello Jim,
i thought i checked Great Models,but maybe not.
the storms are coming in waves,one right after the other.from today to next Weds.
cheers,
Bruce
i thought i checked Great Models,but maybe not.
the storms are coming in waves,one right after the other.from today to next Weds.
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2008 - 05:01 PM UTC
You can also buy WEM paints from ShipCamouflage.com. Best prices in the US!
For what it's worth, San Francisco was originally an Astoria-class cruiser; the class name was changed when Astoria was sunk in 1942.
For what it's worth, San Francisco was originally an Astoria-class cruiser; the class name was changed when Astoria was sunk in 1942.
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Posted: Friday, April 04, 2008 - 01:53 PM UTC
hello Tracy,
thanks for the web site.sorry it took so long to get back to you,i am having problems with my systems.
cheers,
Bruce
thanks for the web site.sorry it took so long to get back to you,i am having problems with my systems.
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 07:32 AM UTC
hello all,
the paint will be ordered on the 2nd of May.i am also ordering to books on Heavy Cruisers for the build.i have got over 200 pages on the San Fran from the web to help me with the build.and i am going to buy some of the new 1/350 figures to put on her.
i am going to do this as a WIP as a stand alone project.so wish me luck.
cheers,
Bruce
the paint will be ordered on the 2nd of May.i am also ordering to books on Heavy Cruisers for the build.i have got over 200 pages on the San Fran from the web to help me with the build.and i am going to buy some of the new 1/350 figures to put on her.
i am going to do this as a WIP as a stand alone project.so wish me luck.
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 07:40 AM UTC
James Corley at AAA Hobbies also stocks Colourcoats.
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 - 08:04 AM UTC
Other than the figures from L'arsenal, none of the others have been released yet. I think the Dragon will be best bet as the ones I saw in the release thingy all had helmets on which none of the Japanese do.
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Posted: Friday, April 11, 2008 - 08:52 AM UTC
hello Steve,
thanks for the info.i am sooo looking forward to painting the figures.
hope all is well with you and yours.
cheers,
Bruce
thanks for the info.i am sooo looking forward to painting the figures.
hope all is well with you and yours.
cheers,
Bruce
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