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Posted: Monday, April 21, 2008 - 11:17 AM UTC
Gunny, thanks for the info and no problems mate, I was not too clear in my original post

I just thought about the timing issue... I can think of the timing as part of the "competition", the challenge being time management and spreading your build over the 12 months. I sometimes take "breaks" on my build to stand back, do research, wait for supplies.

I have a question about the OOB category... I thought OOB meant no PE/Resin as part of the build, but the linked contest rule states;
"viii) First photo of the build blog must be of the model parts, still on their sprues and any aftermarket parts along side, all next to your selection of local newsprint, with the date fully visible…"

Does that mean you can buy PE from other vendors besides your kit contents?

I guess my question is, what "AMs" in general are allowed in the OOB category... if I choose the CV, how about additional aicraft? Or one of those new good looking cloth flags? Or the to-be-released non-PE sailors? or does OOB mean just whats in the box?

Sorry all the little picky details, will help me decide what kit to choose!: ) Thanks, James
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Posted: Monday, April 21, 2008 - 12:22 PM UTC

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Howdy Mark,

Thanks for answering our questions. I personally just wanted to make sure I understood everything before wandering off into some weird place that only my own mind understands (this happens a lot). Otherwise my entry may be a paper model of the USS Constitution!

Your explanation and example of why all the materials should be confirmed by the start date is an excellent one. I also think your idea of proving the parts are ordered by the deadline is great. If they haven't arrived by the start date, would a screen capture of the order be okay? Modelpalooza is coming up in the middle of May and I'm gonna try to buy all my supplies there, but just in case I have to order something from Hong Kong or Japan, I will happily show proof of ordering.



No problem, my friend...we're trying to follow the K.I.S.S. rule as much as possible, and keep the fun factor the highest...I think that a screen capture would be fine for a proof of invoice, if all that's available...

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One last question (I promise!): I have a really neat idea for a diorama involving two (maybe three) ships. Since it's all on one base, it would be one entry. Is this allowed? I don't see anything explicitly stating only one physical ship, but again, I want to be sure.


Well now, Why not!?!...as long as you're building in the "Full build" category, where water effects are allowed, I see no reason why a diorama cannot be entered... might increase the curve a bit more...
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Posted: Monday, April 21, 2008 - 12:25 PM UTC

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I have a question about the OOB category... I thought OOB meant no PE/Resin as part of the build, but the linked contest rule states;
"viii) First photo of the build blog must be of the model parts, still on their sprues and any aftermarket parts along side, all next to your selection of local newsprint, with the date fully visible…"

Does that mean you can buy PE from other vendors besides your kit contents?

I guess my question is, what "AMs" in general are allowed in the OOB category... if I choose the CV, how about additional aicraft? Or one of those new good looking cloth flags? Or the to-be-released non-PE sailors? or does OOB mean just whats in the box?

Sorry all the little picky details, will help me decide what kit to choose!: ) Thanks, James



Er, ah, well, four editors read the same rules that you have, mate, and we all missed this one...definitely doesn't belong there...thanks for pointing it out...also, scale revisions have been made, allowing any scale kit to be entered, no exclusions whatsoever, to open the doors wider for more modelers to participate....
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Posted: Monday, April 21, 2008 - 03:22 PM UTC

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Well now, Why not!?!...as long as you're building in the "Full build" category, where water effects are allowed, I see no reason why a diorama cannot be entered... might increase the curve a bit more...



Excellent! I'll start getting the logistics of my diorama worked out then! ((rubs hands maniacally)) This is gonna be great!

Thanks!
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Posted: Monday, April 21, 2008 - 04:32 PM UTC
As far as the final (last month) vote is concerned, I'm under the impression that this is a final vote for all the completed models, and regardless of when you completed your model, it will be eligible for this final vote. So even if you complete your model 3 months early, it will be open to the final vote.

Frank
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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 12:49 PM UTC
Well, I am still deciding between one of the three Dragon 1:350 modern destroyers in my stash (Mobile Bay, Momsen, Kidd), or the Dragon 1:700 Essex CV9. Since I will be doing OOB, I have to figure out which one will NOT need PE/AMs. I have to look at the Essex, see how many planes it has since I cannot add more planes or AM "people" figures. Or pick one destroyer who may need some "fixing" to make it accurate, so I can practice "Evergreen" surgery. decisions, decisions!
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Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 02:18 PM UTC
James,

I say build the Kidd kit, but don't build the Kidd. Do any of the other three ships in the class.

JMartine
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Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 09:46 AM UTC
Thats a great idea actually... either Chandler or Callahan or Scott, or go even further and update to their current Taiwan Navy status? Some research is in order.... cheers!
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Posted: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 04:15 PM UTC
The Kee-Lung Class, ex Scott, really doesn't have much difference from the original lay out from the Kidd Class. I do think

Its funny, the Kidd was going to be the lead ship in the Kee-Lung class, but Soctt got that pleasure. If I recall correctly, the Kidd and Scott swapped names. So the Soctt has had 4 names thus far in her life.

No matter which one you pick, I am sure you will do a great job on, and have a good time.

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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 12:01 PM UTC
yep, you add the Iranianian-to be names and gets quite interesting. Ill open the box next week and figure out which one to do.. looking forward to this one! thanks, cheers. james
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Posted: Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 12:26 AM UTC
Three Days and counting until the official sign-up period of the MSW Community Build Contest!

Are you all ready to go? Have you been thinking about what you would like to build???

Let's all help to make this contest both a fun and educational journey, mates, make your plans today!!

Cheers,
~Gunny
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Posted: Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 08:00 AM UTC
hello all,
i am doing the San Fran as a OOB.i might do another build with all the bells and whistles,if i can find the time with Predreadnought campaign coming up,
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 10:36 PM UTC
Two Days and counting mates, 'til the official sign up period begins of the Model Shipwrights Community Build Contest!

Are you all as psyched as I am for this event? This contest will be a very unique opportunity for all of our members, old, new, and yet to become...it is a chance to take part in a community wide, online build together, to share with each other the joys of our hobby (and a chance to win some uber prizes!)...have you made your plans yet?

Let's get ready to make this a very memorable event!



Cheers,
~Gunny
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2008 - 02:05 PM UTC
Cheers Gunny, Im for sure psyched about this one.... 95% sure I will be building the Dragon 1;350 Kidd, but not Kidd conformation, will be my first 350 ship, even on my "previous" modelling life (young'un), never did a 350 scale military ship. CHeers! James
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2008 - 02:26 PM UTC
My Gettysburg will be my first 1/350 aswell.
Looking forward to giving 1/350 a try.
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2008 - 09:59 PM UTC
Two Days and counting, mates, muster in, and get ready to sign up!!!!!!!!!


On opening day of sign up (5/1/08)) there will be an "Official sign-up" thread posted in "The Bridge" Forum, where you must list your name, call-sign, and an initial plan of your build....you have one full month to finalize your plans, and to get your contest blog image (as per contest rules) ready to post on the official contest start date (6/1/08).....
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 04:58 AM UTC

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James, Dade, and Bruce, thanks for the reply's, mates...I apologize, James, I didn't get where you were coming from the first time around mate, but now in retrospect, I can see what you were saying...

Putting this thought into play, I can see where we may have to put into effect some sort of "contest rider" that would allow a later addition of a back-ordered item to a current entry...but now this raises another concern...do we also require some sort of proof that this item is actually ordered?

Think of it this way...modeler "A" and modeler "B" both plan their builds, gather all of their materials needed, and begin the build as slated...they both build accordingly, as the contest rolls along, but competetive human nature soons take hold, and modeler "B" soon discovers that modeler "A"s build is going to outshine his build, because of A/M additions...modeler "A" really wants that Nimitz, so, modeler "A" makes the decision to add more A/M additions to his build, well into the contest, to try to out-do modeler "B" s build...see what I'm getting at here, my friends? In all fairness to all contest entrants, how is something like this avoided?

We want to keep this contest as friendly and light-hearted as possible, because the underlying emphasis of the entire reasoning of this event, is to develop a more constant, contributing membership at MSW, building on the grounds of friendliness that we all strive to make the #1 rule of difference, that makes our site here stand out from all the others...I don't want to create any animosity between anyone, I want to build more camaraderie between our members, while attracting more new members to the site, members who will feel comfortable here, and help to make MSW their one stop ship modeling resource...

So, with this in mind, how do we rectify this very important point that James and Dade has brought into play? Maybe as I have stated, with along the original entry Blog photo, the individual must provide some sort of back-order proof (invoice, etc.) with his entry? Comments and suggestions most definitely will be taken into thought here, mates...

As far as Dade's second question on time frame, well since the contest will be based on the monthly blog votes, yes, sticking within this time frame will be the most beneficial, as well as the most fair decision to all builders, some of which (I myself included! ) cannot build at the same pace as some of you guys that amaze me with the rate that you can build...please don't think of it as being a "penalty" for being a faster builder, but as a chance to enjoy the contest build along with all of your other mates a bit longer...

As Rui and Bruce has stated, this warm up time before the contest will be used to iron out the fine details, and clarify the reasoning behind the rules and reg's...........and it's best to do it now before sign-up begins.




Hey Mark

I really look forward to this project ... and to learn alot about the ship I'm going to build ... the awesome IJN Yamato.

However I see some issues regarding the rule, about all AM parts being defined on the first day of the project. I'll use my own situation as an example, but think that the issues I'll mention, applies to alot of participants .. Especially the ones that are newbies like myself.

Ok .... I think that it's a problem that all AM parts should be defined before start, for the following reasons:

1. Knowledge
2. Learning-curve
3. Economy

I'll try to explain.

1. Knowledge.
I'm a total newbie to ships.. haven't really researched ships for 10-15 years ... That means, that my knowledge about the Yamato at projectstart is at a minimum .. but through the 1 year duration of the project .. I hope to learn alot about this magnificent ship .......

That means .. that I don't know alot about what should be corrected on the kit and what not ..... thereby it's hard for me to define the list of AM needed, at projectstart.


2. Learning-curve
Being a newbie, I hope to learn alot from this project ... and seek alot of inspiration from all you experienced guys .. however .. if I see you guys making something really awesome with some special AM .. and I'd like to add that to my model ... to seek perfection ...... I can't if I didn't predefine that AM ...... so I wouldn't be able to use that trick, until my next kit.. shame shame ...... This should be as much a great way for us to learn alot by eachother... as it is a contest ... that's a bit hard .. if we can't add to our models though inspration from the other builders.

3. Economy
My economy is a bit tight at the moment .. so it's a bit of a problem, that all AM for a 1year project should be purchased at once .. when it in reality could be spread across 1 year.



I hope you see my point.


Furthermore .. I don't even have my kit yet .... that also makes it hard for me to decide what AM to buy.

Last but not least .... If we're to prove that all AM is ordered by the 1st of June ..... I order alot of my stuff at my friends hobbyshop ...... in this way.

"Hey"
"Hey"
"I need this, this and that for X project. Could you get this home for me?"
"Sure I can"
"Awesome"



How do I prove that my stuff is ordered?

Have a great day!
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 09:35 AM UTC
Niels, I do see your point, mate, well made, but the rules are the rules, my friend...at this point, we're going to have to adhere to the set rules, and follow them closely, or risk the chance of a disqualification.

Some sort of proof has to be shown, even if it is an e-mail invoice, screen shot, SOMETHING, so that all the entrants have a fair chance...hope that you can understand our reasons, and will still participate with as much enthusiasm that you now have...it's very refreshing when a new ship modeler get's bit by the bug!

~Gunny
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 07:35 PM UTC

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Niels, I do see your point, mate, well made, but the rules are the rules, my friend...at this point, we're going to have to adhere to the set rules, and follow them closely, or risk the chance of a disqualification.

Some sort of proof has to be shown, even if it is an e-mail invoice, screen shot, SOMETHING, so that all the entrants have a fair chance...hope that you can understand our reasons, and will still participate with as much enthusiasm that you now have...it's very refreshing when a new ship modeler get's bit by the bug!

~Gunny



Hey Mate

No prob .... I understand .. and as you say .. rules are rules .... I'll try to think ahead as much as I can reagarding AM ... better order a bit too much, than not enough ......

Regarding ordering the Lionroar parts at my friends hobbyshop .. I can request the parts from him in an email ... and get him to confirm it for me ... would that be sufficient?

I look forward to this!
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 09:28 PM UTC

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Hey Mate

No prob .... I understand .. and as you say .. rules are rules .... I'll try to think ahead as much as I can reagarding AM ... better order a bit too much, than not enough ......

Regarding ordering the Lionroar parts at my friends hobbyshop .. I can request the parts from him in an email ... and get him to confirm it for me ... would that be sufficient?

I look forward to this!



Works for me, Niels!

Just any sort of a confirmation will be sufficient in complying....basically, this contest has been designed to be as simple, fun, and non-competitive as possible, deemed mainly to bring our community here closer, as well as boost the membership by hopefully attracting more members to participate in the day to day dealings onsite...although there are some hefty rewards for building the "best" model kit, hopefully we'll all benefit in the long run from building our models together....
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