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HMS Nelson proposed project
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Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 - 02:24 PM UTC
Thanks for the tip Todd
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Posted: Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 11:49 AM UTC
Hi Jim,

I was mistaken, I've only the one book from AJ Press, but it looks quite comprehensive with pull out scale drawings and text in English/Polish.



Frank
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Posted: Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 12:38 PM UTC
Most excellent Frank. I have been ading up the cost of variouse component parts such as gun barrels, photoetch, pompom guns etc and the cost factor seems rather steep at approximately $250.00 so far ...I am curiouse if this number can be brought down by swiping some goodies from a doner kit...mabe something like a revell Missouri or something? Or am I barking up the wrong tree an that ..everything I costed out was exceptional quality castings I must say now ..
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Posted: Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 12:58 PM UTC

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Most excellent Frank. I have been ading up the cost of variouse component parts such as gun barrels, photoetch, pompom guns etc and the cost factor seems rather steep at approximately $250.00 so far ...I am curiouse if this number can be brought down by swiping some goodies from a doner kit...mabe something like a revell Missouri or something? Or am I barking up the wrong tree an that ..everything I costed out was exceptional quality castings I must say now ..


Hi Jim!

As a master of doing things on the cheap , I shamelessly pirate kits and such to complete projects rather than go for certain aftermarket products . For example, the Tamiya 1:350 Missouri is a wonderful source for gun barrels, 5-inch mounts, AA guns, ground tackle, and odds 'n ends. I once used the slender 16-inch gun barrels from the very old Revell North Carolina to improve the look of the 6-inchers on my 1:300 Ajax. I even seek out built or started kits on eBay to add to my spares collection.

So, for a Nelson, a KGV would probably be good for fire control directors, main gun barrels, AA mounts, ground tackle, boats, rafts, cranes, smaller masts and yards, etc. As mentioned earlier, the boxy design should offer few challenges for a scratchbuild. The 6-inch secondary battery may be another matter, but an Airfix capital ship or something should yield usable barrels.

If you tackle the Nelson, I'll produce the Rodney. She had an interesting camo scheme later in the war, too!

--Karl
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Posted: Thursday, January 29, 2009 - 01:39 PM UTC
Its a deal Karl ..I have the Tamiya Nelson also so if I cannot find funds to generate a 1:350 in time for the campaign then I will build my tamiya kit...but the idea of using the KGV as a doner is a cost effective one I see .....there is a difference in the main armament but mabe we can work around that ..
One piece of aftermarket I think is probably vital to pulling it off is a good photo etch set ...railings and a crane being foremost in my mind..
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Posted: Friday, January 30, 2009 - 03:19 AM UTC

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and he did indeed mention that Trump was planning on a release of the Nelson in 1:350 scale...yet he also said it could be a long time coming......


Hi Jim,

Maybe I mislead you, just to be clear, I meant that Trumpy was 'probably' planning one. I have no knowledge of their inner workings.

I also mentioned that ISW does a 1/350 kit, http://www.steelnavy.com/Nelson.htm Maybe Jon would be willing to supply some parts you need if you can't afford the whole kit. (with the associated free advertising, of course!)

Glad you liked the 280 etch and hope to see you at the future shows!

Darren
(You to Frank!!)
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Posted: Friday, January 30, 2009 - 03:53 AM UTC
NP Darren..it could have been my mistake also ...I tend to get the vapours when I hear of possible new releases ( still waiting anxously for a 203mm russian cannon)..That is a good idea you have of contacting ISW for possible assistance and Id be happy to promote him in any way I can in appreciation..Hopefully we'll see you at Heritagecom on Feb 22..
Im kinda kicking myself cause a t Ajax show I saw a Tamiya KGV kit for sale at a reasonable price and let it pass...(kick)
Im going to look into the possibility of wooden planking for the decks(what am I saying?)as being possibly more cost effective and a really neat project too...I have an article I gathered that says using model railroad planking works well....start from the middle and work your way out....Im envisaging using various shades of light stain to change the tone slightly here and there..
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Posted: Friday, January 30, 2009 - 05:56 AM UTC

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Im going to look into the possibility of wooden planking for the decks(what am I saying?)as being possibly more cost effective and a really neat project too...I have an article I gathered that says using model railroad planking works well....start from the middle and work your way out....Im envisaging using various shades of light stain to change the tone slightly here and there..


Would our friends in model railroading carry planks suitable for 1:350?

--Karl
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Posted: Friday, January 30, 2009 - 07:18 AM UTC
apparently they do..I have some left over from my railroad days from a company called Northeastern scale models inc....and another company Midwest products co. inc......the article said 1X3s in HO scale would work,and I think I agree.Im also looking at 2X2s..the idea apparently is to vivisect the ship with a pencil line and start on either side of your vivisection line and work out ... ..check it out at the LHS..ill bet you could do it in 1:700 scale as well but I might be dreamin
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Posted: Friday, January 30, 2009 - 08:27 AM UTC
Going by the planking molded onto 1:350 decks, that means real wood planking just .030 of an inch in width for 1:350. On plastic sailing ships in 1:96, I use real wood planking, but even that is .010 or less in chord.

--Karl
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Posted: Friday, January 30, 2009 - 08:45 AM UTC
I measured 2X4 lumber (HO scale against the molded decks of the ICM Grosser Kurfust and found when turned on their slim side up they are an exact match..I bag of lumber is about $3.00 ( I hope ..its an old bag)..and will cover an area of 30.8 square cemtimeters. Northeastern also sell sheets of scribed basswood 3" X 11" with 1/32" between grooves....looks pretty good to me ..2 sheets in a pack for about $5.00
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Posted: Friday, January 30, 2009 - 03:17 PM UTC
Iv taken the plunge and have committed to a Tamiya KG the V...I MUST be mad...
now the hunt continues for a suitable photo etch set ...
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Posted: Sunday, February 01, 2009 - 03:09 AM UTC
I have decided (for now ..lol) upon a suitabe photoetch set for this project ..and have chosen the WEM set ..this decision was based upon 2 things ...most important is the fact that WEM offers a bevy of full oerlikon guns and shields as replacement for kit blobs..I only saw the shields offered on the competitions fret..secondly I thought that the crane had just that much more detail offered than the competiotions fret..my only MINOR peeve is that the brass is so fragile on WEM that I tend to mangle railings ad nauseum(thats almost certainly due to the fact that I am STILL a landlubber and need more experience with the product). Im thinking that brass barrels are out of the equation due to the costing associated with them(although like a bird,I AM attracted to shiny objects..)
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Posted: Monday, February 02, 2009 - 06:37 AM UTC
That sounds like a plan, Jim. I look forward to the build(s) .

--Karl
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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 03:36 AM UTC
Karl,in case youre interested, here is the article I found on wooden decks ...Im interested in your feedback,as I admit to being a total newbie at ships...
http://modelfleet.yuku.com/topics/792
could be bogus but it looks good to my untrained eyes
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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 04:42 AM UTC
Hi Jim!

I couldn't connect to the link, but as it happened, I was told about a similar procedure at the local IPMS meeting last weekend.

Cutting individual planks and installing them edgewise before sanding the whole lot to the desired thickness is intriguing. I'll have to look into that since the wood decks I apply to my plastic sailing vessels make all the difference.

Thanks!

--Karl
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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 05:00 AM UTC
I found the article cut and pasted onto another board,so mabe others had the same problem...here is the link
http://www.shipmodels.info/msw_forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&p=258463

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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 05:02 AM UTC
I found the article cut and pasted onto another board,so mabe others had the same problem...here is the link..funny--its exactly the same link but a dirrerent page ...but if you google the Modelfleet site and add wooden deck planking that should work



http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&p=258463
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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 05:09 AM UTC
Hi Jim,

I'm back up in Sudbury for a ten day shift, will be heading back home Wed. Feb 11th. I have the Nelson book with me, if the weather cooperates, I'll venture out and drop it off for you. I'll PM you as the shift nears completion.

Frank
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Posted: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 05:26 AM UTC
Thanks Frank!!..Well, were off to a job fair in Uxbridge for my wife ..shes psyched up.....wish us luck!!
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 01:24 AM UTC
I just wanted to give an update so no one thinks Iv forgotten...I picked up my doner kit and photo etch for this project yesterday at a swap meet .....now I need to wait for a bit of cash income before I move ahead and get the barrels for this monster. I admit as I was looking the kit over last night on my workbench I was feeling a bit sympathetic to the kit ......its gonna hurt chopping her to pieces like that ..
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 10:36 AM UTC

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I was feeling a bit sympathetic to the kit ......its gonna hurt chopping her to pieces like that ..


Hi Jim!

When you've chopped up as many models as I have, it doesn't hurt so much, heh, heh...

--Karl
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Posted: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 01:19 AM UTC
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