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USS Constitution build
RussellE
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Posted: Sunday, January 22, 2017 - 02:48 AM UTC

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Russell E - Cheers and thanks for taking a look at this model. I think this plastic kit is well worth the money if one wants to put together a quality sailing ship. Seeing I'm from the USA,I decided to go with the Connie as a way to learn a piece of US history. I also had debated on buying the Black Swan pirate ship.

I took a look at your FB page - your rigging on the Jeremiah Liberty is great!!! Right now, that is my weak spot on my building skills and I'm hoping the Connie will help me improve in this area. At least it is a larger scale for me to work with.



Thanks Robert There's a build log here and more pictures here

The rigging is Ezy line: I drill a small hole in the deck with a no75 or smaller drill bit; then dab a bit of accelerator in the hole with a brush; I dip the Ezy line in medium CA then place in the aforementioned hole; this allows me to tension the lines accordingly whilst getting them in exactly the correct position.

Hope this helps with your magnificent Constitution build!

BTW, great photo of you and your wife!
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Posted: Sunday, January 22, 2017 - 06:48 AM UTC

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John - you may be right in one way on solid covers. The forward most cover was a single unhinged cover. According to some of the historians, many state they were split covers. I should have used singles up front on mine. Here are a couple of good articles I read early on in my build:
http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/60364.aspx
http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/15507.aspx

I went with Ray Morton's Study of colors and it stated that gun port covers were painted lampblack on all six sided. Whether that's right or not, I went with that choice. I also chose to go with a white gun stripe instead of a yellow ochre. One thing's for sure - there's a lot of variations out there on this ship! LOL

I'm going to give some thought as to whether I'll change my up-front covers. Thank you so much for giving me some food for thought for checking in on my build.





The plans in David Chappell's "History of the American Sailing Navy" are quite clear on non-split port lids. The U.S. Navy's Historical Branch is also my source for a single white stripe. Probably the reason for people thinking it was yellow ochre was that the white tended to yellow overtime. The heavy British frigate HMS Saturn was painted with a streak of white in an effort to pass off as one of the heavy American Frigates. However Saturn had black gunboat lids in the checkerboard pattern of the Royal Navy. Off Cape Cod she stopped a fishing vessel while she was wearing American colors. Saturn's Captain asked the fishing Captain if he knew what ship he was on, the fisherman responded "The Constitution" as he had seen her often but remarked that she "wasn't painted as she had been". (per "The Wooden Fighting Ship in the Royal Navy".) Broke did the same with HMS Shannon, (Broke of the Shannon And the War of 1812). Decatur of course had USS United States' gunport streak pained in yellow ochre. Of course recent research done on the paint used on HMS Victory may well change our understanding of the Royal Navy's colors. As per true yellow ochre being used on Constitution I have a dim memory (I don't have the book with me and haven't read it in years) the Stewart may have painted Constitution's gunport streak that way before setting off on her final voyage of the War of 1812 that culminated in her capturing HMS Cyane and HMS Levant. The book was written by either her Surgeon or her Chaplain.

You may find this of interest, it is from the US Naval Museum's guide to their exhibit of Constitution's Gun Deck;

"As Constitution drew near to her enemy, all was made ready. The captain took his station on the quarterdeck, from which he could direct the helmsman and order the handling of guns and sails. The marine detachment took their positions with loaded muskets, some on deck and others in the fighting tops. Gun crews checked the loads in their massive weapons and waited in silence for the action to begin.

When Constitution was within reasonable shooting range of her adversary—usually no more than a few hundred yards—the gun-port lids, which kept wind and spray out while cruising, were opened. At the command “run out!” men pulled on the side tackles to roll their guns forward until the muzzles protruded through the ports. One of the gun crew thrust a wire pick through the vent to pierce the cloth powder bag, inserted a priming tube (a length of quill, packed with fine powder) into the vent, and then primed the pan of the firing lock–similar to the locks used in flintlock firearms–with fine powder from a flask or horn. The lock was cocked, and the gun captain–the senior enlisted man of the gun crew–took the end of the firing lanyard and stood, knees flexed, behind the gun and sighted along the barrel."

The entire article and page may be found here;

http://www.navyhistory.org/the-constitution-gun-deck/

I hope that you don't think that I am in anyway criticizing what you have done, I am rather very impressed. Constitution like many ships in most Navies of the time would often be altered slightly by whoever her Captain was at the time. She may have appeared differently under Bainbridge than she did under Hull or Stewart, there being Naval Conventions at the time but not strict regulations. Mad Jack Percival, on her circumnavigation had her, for a time, painted with a white hull and a red gunport streak (an attempt at keeping her cooler in the tropics) she may have been painted this way when she first checked out Pearl Harbor as a site for a possible Naval Base, and she was certainly painted this way when she forced the surrender (without firing a shot) of (IIRC) two armed junks at Da Nanang.


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Posted: Sunday, January 22, 2017 - 08:07 AM UTC
Robert,

I always wanted to build this but always chickened out. I'll be watching!
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2017 - 12:57 AM UTC
John - thanks for sharing with me these articles and, NO WAY do I try to take things personal I try to have an open mind and am always open to other opinions. I am trying to keep this as close to an 1812 version as possible but I am certainly not building this as museum quality - not with my skills!

My front gun port covers should be an unhinged single cover as per what I've read. I will see if I can change these without doing damage to the hull, otherwise they stay. I originally glued the forward most covers on as hinged single covers, with the intention I was going to have all open gun port covers. Again, I went with stacked covers that would be stored below. As for eliminating a 16th gun port, at this point, I wouldn't trust my skills to try and correct this.

As for my split-covers color, I'm going with all flat black. I like the contrast between black and white. I am having 2nd thoughts about the placement of the eye bolts (for rudder chain) on the stern being too low. I somehow feel they should be just under the lower white horizontal trim line. ?

It's interesting to see how many 'interpretations' there are on this ship. I really enjoy the builds from Captain Isaac Hull, Force9 and Arnie90 on some of the sites. Thanks so much for your interest, feedback and sharing the articles you have on the Connie! Enjoy the week!
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2017 - 01:34 AM UTC
Hey there, Frederick - LOL keep on watching - this way you can learn what steps not to take on your build! I sometimes wonder how long and how deep can I tread in water. Thanks for taking a peek - Cheers!
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2017 - 01:58 AM UTC
Russell - thanks for your tip on the Ezy Line and the drilling. My 3rd model was Captain Kidd's Pirate ship, and besides the plastic being badly warped, the rigging lines on directions were almost negligible. What I did attempt, I had difficulty in trying to keep the lines tight from one mast to another.
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2017 - 10:18 AM UTC
Quite a few good old ships of the line here these days - great!! I really do like them, though I never would build one, manly because of the rigging - I simply don't dare to get my hands on that...!

Great work on your USS Constitution Robert, I'm in and following! Looking forward to see her grow!!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Monday, January 23, 2017 - 07:40 PM UTC
Greetings Jan - I know what you mean about how intricate rigging a ship model can be. I'm about to find out with this one. It could turn out like a scene from 'Billy Budd' - were he's hung on the yardarm... ouch! Thanks for following along. Here's a link to a nicely produced video on this model called "It Had To Be Built" on youtube. Enjoy your week!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXLJca_jGH4
RussellE
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Posted: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 - 04:30 PM UTC

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Russell - thanks for your tip on the Ezy Line and the drilling. My 3rd model was Captain Kidd's Pirate ship, and besides the plastic being badly warped, the rigging lines on directions were almost negligible. What I did attempt, I had difficulty in trying to keep the lines tight from one mast to another.



Still looks pretty good though
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Posted: Monday, March 13, 2017 - 07:25 PM UTC
Sorry for not posting lately. My gun deck is in and I'm working on rigging some of the long guns. I've found myself devoting all of my time to finishing an older Scientific wooden kit of the Bluenose schooner.
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