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Posted: Thursday, August 11, 2005 - 11:58 PM UTC
Dear gents,
while "working" on the internet (my boss is out) and searching for reference and stuff, I stumbled across the model of "HMS Roberts" by Rob Kernaghan on steelnavy.com.
http://steelnavy.com/HPRobertsRK.htm That ship looks like the forward half of a battleship and they call it a WW2 monitor that served in a static defense position.
Further research revealed other monitors of other nations, e.g. Russia. Most of them served on rivers.
:[]-- This one is for you, skipper:
http://warships.web4u.cz/lode.php?language=E&stat=SOV&typ=RMO&trida=UdarnyjSomething to go along with your BK-1125 ?
So, what were these ships used for ?
Where were they used ?
Were they of any use at all ?
Is there anyone who has 1/72 plans of a monitor ? (skipper ? ;-))
THX for replies
Frank
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 12:07 AM UTC
A monitor was simply a ship (cruiser for example) which had one large calibre turret (16 or 18") replacing its normal armament...
Monitors were first seen during the ACW as shallow-draught vessels for river use...
In Vietnam, many were converted Landing Craft (principally the LCM (6)) which carried a variety of weaponry.
There use during WW1 & WW2 was primarily for use against shore targets...Jim
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 12:46 AM UTC
Jim answered in a proper way, Frank
Thanks Jim - I was not looking at the "ball" :-)
About the companion for the Bronekater, there's always the beautifull Tupolev G-5
Better than a plan of one Monitor, here you have a Free Model:
http://www.cerberus.com.au/ (Free Cerberus Model)
Also an interesting piece of History
Skipper
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 01:13 AM UTC
Thanks Jim and Rui,
I just havn't heart before of that kind of ship.
Rui, you won't put a 50+knots devil into a river setting, will you ? The G-5-baby cries for the open sea ! SPEEEEEED !!!!
Just imagine that monitor in 1/35 ...
Nice weekend, guys
Frank
PS: As usual my best greetings to the CinC
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 01:19 AM UTC
It is very tempting to DL that monitor and make a 1/72 styrene/balsa version .... damn!
:-)
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 01:48 AM UTC
Quoted Text
It is very tempting to DL that monitor and make a 1/72 styrene/balsa version .... damn!
:-)
Welcome to the club :-)
I know Jan, it's very tempting!!
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 02:38 AM UTC
RN monitors were interesting ships. They were built to make use of what was available, in terms of guns and turrets, and did an excellent job of replacing battleships in shore bombardment roles. I don't know if anybody noticed on that link that Geronimo posted one of HMS Roberts 15" guns is on display at the Imperial War Museum. I'ver been there and that display is pretty impressive. It also mentions how the Roberts was the last surviving RN ship with the great 15" gun. That was one of the best battleship guns in history.
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 03:08 AM UTC
OK ----- Who downloaded the card model???? ----
Lets be honest ......... :-) :-)
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 03:14 AM UTC
I have, about two years ago!
It's still stored properly waiting... and waiting...
:-)
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 03:55 AM UTC
:-) :-) Well, I'm glad I wasn't the only one then..... :-) :-)
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 04:05 AM UTC
Downloaded, no. Bookmarked so I can download it at home where the color printer is, guilty...
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 11:46 AM UTC
.......you know.....you guys are starting to 'walkabout' in my territory now.....members paying attention to things like "Monitors", "shallow draught vessels", and statements like "
Just imagine that monitor in 1/35 ...Jeeeesz......
next I'll be hearing the phrase..."Ironclad".......can you imagine?.....?
{said in my best Porky Pig}......"Be bery bery careful.......I think I'm beginning to smell a putty cat, ....err, I mean, an interesting focus shift"........
it
is habit-forming ladies and gents....so be careful where you tread {pardon the personal 'pun'
}
regards,
Tread.
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 10:16 PM UTC
Quoted Text
.......you know.....you guys are starting to 'walkabout' in my territory now.....members paying attention to things like "Monitors", "shallow draught vessels", and statements like "Just imagine that monitor in 1/35 ...
Jeeeesz......next I'll be hearing the phrase..."Ironclad".......can you imagine?.....?
Now Gordon, some of us have managed to stop
a) Looking at the Brown Water Navy
b) Thinking about the use of River Monitors during the A.C.W.
...or at least I thought I had sufficiently immunized myself from 'focus-shift'as you so eloquently put it... My LCM(3) is still in pristine condition in the box with absolutely
NO consideration being given to hull lengthening...Jim :-)
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Posted: Friday, August 12, 2005 - 11:38 PM UTC
Is it possible to get a crew in 1:72 from the right era ?
Now, should it be waterline og full hull ?
Itīs happy days for modellers...
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Posted: Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 07:25 PM UTC
Quoted Text
.......you know.....you guys are starting to 'walkabout' in my territory now.....members paying attention to things like "Monitors", "shallow draught vessels", and statements like "Just imagine that monitor in 1/35 ...
Jeeeesz......next I'll be hearing the phrase..."Ironclad".......can you imagine?.....?
{said in my best Porky Pig}......"Be bery bery careful.......I think I'm beginning to smell a putty cat, ....err, I mean, an interesting focus shift"........
it is habit-forming ladies and gents....so be careful where you tread {pardon the personal 'pun' }
regards,
Tread.
Excuse me, sir, for setting my feet on holy ground. #:-)
It was just an informative question ... Anyway, I'm just interested in WW2 stuff. Ironclads ? Hmm, well, are these warships at all ?
Cheers
Frank
PS: Just kidding...
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Posted: Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 11:06 PM UTC
Jan,
you should be able to obtain Preiser figures from Germany in 1/72. They're made of polystyrene instead of the other 1/72 stuff, and so are easy to convert.
Frank
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Posted: Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 11:57 PM UTC
Sorry but
You have just reminded me of some Preiser 1/35 figures at my LHS. They are casually posed and marching Wehrmacht figures, and look of good quality if a little pricey... Anyone know if they're worth the loot?
Brad
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Posted: Monday, August 15, 2005 - 01:38 AM UTC
Bradley,
you just caught me ! I haven't known Preiser does 1/35 figures. They started with railroad stuff (1/87) and turned over to 1/72. The market there is limited or far too expensive, so their product range is a good choice in that scale. But 1/35, I don't know
.
Cya
Frank
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Posted: Monday, August 15, 2005 - 02:42 AM UTC
"..........
Excuse me, sir, for setting my feet on holy ground.Nahhh, it's not Holy, it's just old.....
".........
It was just an informative question ... Anyway, I'm just interested in WW2 stuff. Ironclads ? Hmm, well, are these warships at all ?Hmmmm, back at ya!.....I'd like to see
you get inside a ship that only had 1/4" plate steel to protect you from incoming 9" and 12" cannonballs, unlike all the massive steel protectiing modern day sailors......and most of those engagements would be at
truly point-blank range as well!......not miles and miles away......
Sorry Frank, just had to defend my Ironclads.......
warm regards,
Tread.
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Posted: Monday, August 15, 2005 - 08:28 AM UTC
Those old southern ironclads like the Virginia and Arkansas are absolutly gorgeous. One day when I'm truely wealthy I'm going to comission someone to make a series of them for me. Some scale where they are all 2 or 3 feet long and super-detailed.
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Posted: Monday, August 15, 2005 - 08:49 AM UTC
Quoted Text
"..........Excuse me, sir, for setting my feet on holy ground.
Nahhh, it's not Holy, it's just old.....
".........It was just an informative question ... Anyway, I'm just interested in WW2 stuff. Ironclads ? Hmm, well, are these warships at all ?
Hmmmm, back at ya!.....I'd like to see you get inside a ship that only had 1/4" plate steel to protect you from incoming 9" and 12" cannonballs, unlike all the massive steel protectiing modern day sailors......and most of those engagements would be at truly point-blank range as well!......not miles and miles away......
Sorry Frank, just had to defend my Ironclads.......
warm regards,
Tread.
I agree with you there Tread. I wouldn't be wanting to be inside one of those steel beasts when the shot and shell were flying. Aren't you being a bit light on the armor though? I thought it more like several inches of armor plate, on top of quite a few inches of solid oak. Some boats even had railroad rails as armor, and those things are pretty thick.
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Posted: Monday, August 15, 2005 - 05:50 PM UTC
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One day when I'm truely wealthy I'm going to comission someone to make a series of them for me. Some scale where they are all 2 or 3 feet long and super-detailed.
Actually, it has already happened. An outfit called "Old Steam Navy" has put out the CSS Arkansas, and the Monitor USS Weehawken in 1/96 scale. They are beautiful models, but not cheap. They both retail at $275. Here is a link to their site:
http://www.cottage-industries.com/default.asp Cheers,
Chuck
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Posted: Monday, August 15, 2005 - 05:53 PM UTC
Oh, and by the way, the Arkansas is 21" long and the Weehawken is 25" long.
They also carry a CSS Hunley in 54mm scale, and several seacoast and naval cannon. Nice stuff.
Chuck
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 12:39 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Hmmmm, back at ya!.....I'd like to see you get inside a ship that only had 1/4" plate steel to protect you from incoming 9" and 12" cannonballs, unlike all the massive steel protectiing modern day sailors......and most of those engagements would be at truly point-blank range as well!......not miles and miles away......
Sorry Frank, just had to defend my Ironclads.......
warm regards,
Tread.
Yo Gordon,
the average intelligent human being (an antithesis in itself !) would try to get its ass as far away as possible from a point-blank shootout
in an ironclad. This is not a ship, this is a coffin :-) or even worse, a TANK
.
SPEEDBOATS RULE !!!
Best wishes
Frank
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