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Gremlin56
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Posted: Sunday, February 02, 2014 - 12:22 AM UTC
Makes you wonder where the missing pieces go doesn't it. I have a wooden floor in the hobby room and you can clearly hear a piece drop but then it goes up in smoke
RedDuster
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Posted: Sunday, February 02, 2014 - 05:07 AM UTC
Tell me about it Julian, exactly the same in my workroom, no idea where it went, but I am quite pleased with home made replacement.
On with the job.
As the bridge is open, even though the ship is depicted at anchor there would have been a watch on the bridge, so some Fujumi figures were pressed,
a couple of figures looking through binoculars were added to the foretop, an officer and rating at the chart table, a chart has been painted on, an officer and midshipman and a rating by the binnacle, plus another officer on the bridgewing (could be the Captain popped out of his seacabin for a breath of air).
The running rigging added to the foremast yard arms, using AOTS as a guide.
The first "layer of standing rigging added, and painted along with the running rigging.
the rigging on the mainmast has also been painted.
More soon
si
On with the job.
As the bridge is open, even though the ship is depicted at anchor there would have been a watch on the bridge, so some Fujumi figures were pressed,
a couple of figures looking through binoculars were added to the foretop, an officer and rating at the chart table, a chart has been painted on, an officer and midshipman and a rating by the binnacle, plus another officer on the bridgewing (could be the Captain popped out of his seacabin for a breath of air).
The running rigging added to the foremast yard arms, using AOTS as a guide.
The first "layer of standing rigging added, and painted along with the running rigging.
the rigging on the mainmast has also been painted.
More soon
si
warreni
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Posted: Sunday, February 02, 2014 - 08:28 AM UTC
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Makes you wonder where the missing pieces go doesn't it. I have a wooden floor in the hobby room and you can clearly hear a piece drop but then it goes up in smoke
Does this happen at night after a few glasses of your favourite tipple?
Gremlin56
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Posted: Sunday, February 02, 2014 - 08:30 AM UTC
Don't even try building anything after a few glasses of my favourite tipple 
How are things down under?
How are things down under?
warreni
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Posted: Sunday, February 02, 2014 - 08:39 AM UTC
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Don't even try building anything after a few glasses of my favourite tipple
How are things down under?
Very quiet at the moment. In a holding pattern waiting for news of various things. Finishing off my 1/12 Bentley. Nice to build a car again after many years of targets, ships and planes..
RedDuster
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Posted: Monday, February 03, 2014 - 08:07 AM UTC
sounds like quite a build Warren, hope you fun with that.
Si
Si
RedDuster
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Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 - 09:03 AM UTC
A bit of progress on the mainmast, the standing rigging finished.
And 12 flag halyards added and painted, apologies for the quality of the pic, but it was the best of a bad bunch.
The jack and ensign staff are given a coat of white.
They have an etched part that makes up the tripod stand for the staff, these bits will need to be added, along with the foc's'le deck railings before the real rigging jon starts.
Si
And 12 flag halyards added and painted, apologies for the quality of the pic, but it was the best of a bad bunch.
The jack and ensign staff are given a coat of white.
They have an etched part that makes up the tripod stand for the staff, these bits will need to be added, along with the foc's'le deck railings before the real rigging jon starts.
Si
Fordboy
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Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 - 11:36 AM UTC
Ahoy Simon
Nice work bud.
I admire your rigging - very nice indeed.
Much better than my efforts.
Cheers
Sean
Nice work bud.
I admire your rigging - very nice indeed.
Much better than my efforts.
Cheers
Sean
RedDuster
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Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 - 10:20 PM UTC
Thanks Sean,
I have kept it a simple by not doubling up the signal halyards, felt that would have looked too crowded in and amongst the derrick rigging.
Si
I have kept it a simple by not doubling up the signal halyards, felt that would have looked too crowded in and amongst the derrick rigging.
Si
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 01:32 AM UTC
The rigging looks great Simon, particularly like the foot-ropes on the yards. 
Al
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 05:40 AM UTC
Nice and tight rigging. Looks gorgeous,
RedDuster
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 06:37 AM UTC
Thanks Al, the footropes came from the WEM etched fret, very nice they are too.
Thanks Julian, the old copper rolled out with a steel rule, negates some of the issues of stretched sprue.
Si
Thanks Julian, the old copper rolled out with a steel rule, negates some of the issues of stretched sprue.
Si
RedDuster
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 07:05 AM UTC
Today's progress. The parts for the Jackstaff ready for assembly.
Assembled and fitted. The ensign staff at the stern got the same treatment.
As the kit represents the ship around 1910-12 when the forward 12 pdrs had been removed (although they are shown in the kit instructions aand insufficient weapons are provided to fit them) I needed to make the plates that covered the mounting points. some bits of plastic strip beng cut to size and shape (well sort of)
Fitted and painted.
Fo'c's'le deck railings fitted.
Along with the ladder up from the maindeck, these according to all the references I have didn't have a hand rails, and the Pontos fret contains the correct rails. The WEM railings have a pair of stantions in the correct place to fit the ladders.
Some last bits of rigging fitted, stays from the lower yard to the tripod, and from the font of the starfish to the bridge.
Now I am taking stock of any more bits and pieces that need doing before starting work on the cage aerials.
More soon.
Si
Assembled and fitted. The ensign staff at the stern got the same treatment.
As the kit represents the ship around 1910-12 when the forward 12 pdrs had been removed (although they are shown in the kit instructions aand insufficient weapons are provided to fit them) I needed to make the plates that covered the mounting points. some bits of plastic strip beng cut to size and shape (well sort of)
Fitted and painted.
Fo'c's'le deck railings fitted.
Along with the ladder up from the maindeck, these according to all the references I have didn't have a hand rails, and the Pontos fret contains the correct rails. The WEM railings have a pair of stantions in the correct place to fit the ladders.
Some last bits of rigging fitted, stays from the lower yard to the tripod, and from the font of the starfish to the bridge.
Now I am taking stock of any more bits and pieces that need doing before starting work on the cage aerials.
More soon.
Si
RussellE
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 10:59 PM UTC
nearly there now Si. Looking forward to see how you tackle those torpedo nets...
Aurora-7
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Posted: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 - 02:36 AM UTC
Really nice work, Si.
It's making me consider wood decking for some of my builds.
It's making me consider wood decking for some of my builds.
RedDuster
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Posted: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 - 06:26 AM UTC
Hi Russell,
Not too long to wait, I hope, rigging next, then the net shelves and the railings, then the base, once on the base the nets. I just have a small nightmare involving placing the last piece of rigging, and dropping the tweezers on to the net booms!
Hi Michael,
I must admit I was sceptical about wood decks, the grain of the wood, the thickness etc, but having tried them, they are way better than what I can do with a brush, o a lot of fancy masking.
Si
Not too long to wait, I hope, rigging next, then the net shelves and the railings, then the base, once on the base the nets. I just have a small nightmare involving placing the last piece of rigging, and dropping the tweezers on to the net booms!
Hi Michael,
I must admit I was sceptical about wood decks, the grain of the wood, the thickness etc, but having tried them, they are way better than what I can do with a brush, o a lot of fancy masking.
Si
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Posted: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 - 11:55 AM UTC
Superb work Simon.
Keep it up mate.
Cheers
Sean
Keep it up mate.
Cheers
Sean
warreni
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Posted: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 - 06:02 PM UTC
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Hi Russell,
Not too long to wait, I hope, rigging next, then the net shelves and the railings, then the base, once on the base the nets. I just have a small nightmare involving placing the last piece of rigging, and dropping the tweezers on to the net booms!
Hi Michael,
I must admit I was sceptical about wood decks, the grain of the wood, the thickness etc, but having tried them, they are way better than what I can do with a brush, o a lot of fancy masking.
Si
Greetings from Adelaide!
Told you the wooden decks are great!!
Can you leave the nets unglued so you can just hook them in place?
Cheers
Warren
Gremlin56
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Posted: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 - 06:37 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextHi Russell,
Not too long to wait, I hope, rigging next, then the net shelves and the railings, then the base, once on the base the nets. I just have a small nightmare involving placing the last piece of rigging, and dropping the tweezers on to the net booms!
Hi Michael,
I must admit I was sceptical about wood decks, the grain of the wood, the thickness etc, but having tried them, they are way better than what I can do with a brush, o a lot of fancy masking.
Si
Greetings from Adelaide!
Told you the wooden decks are great!!
Can you leave the nets unglued so you can just hook them in place?
Cheers
Warren
He's back ! Broke off his walk about to pick up his Digeridoo
Welcome back Warren, how is life keeping you? Glad to see you back on line, ( bet you never expected me to say that
) RedDuster
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Posted: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 - 07:34 AM UTC
Thanks Sean, doing my best.
Hi Warren, The nets can be hung from the hooks on the booms, but as this is a waterline build they will be fixed the to the base.
Si
Hi Warren, The nets can be hung from the hooks on the booms, but as this is a waterline build they will be fixed the to the base.
Si
RedDuster
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Posted: Sunday, February 23, 2014 - 11:14 AM UTC
Right, First attempt at the cage aerials.
For the squeamish, this on did not work, plan B will be posted next weekend.
Step 1, I put six of the etched on a length of brass rod through the holes in their centre, and blue tacked the ends to a board,
The spiders needed more support, so I stretched out some blue takc nice and thin and gently pressed the spiders into that. Two strands added.
Four strands on, and no the cage has ben removed from the jig and ready to be turned over to add the other four.
All eight strands on, but this is where things starte to get shaky, in preparing to trim the ends I pushed one of the end spiders out of shape,
reckoning I could sort that out after removing the brass rod from the centre I proceeded to gently ease the brass rod out, and the whole shoot fell to bits
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Plan B, try a similar set up without the brass rod,
Will find out next weekend if that work,
Si
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For the squeamish, this on did not work, plan B will be posted next weekend.
Step 1, I put six of the etched on a length of brass rod through the holes in their centre, and blue tacked the ends to a board,
The spiders needed more support, so I stretched out some blue takc nice and thin and gently pressed the spiders into that. Two strands added.
Four strands on, and no the cage has ben removed from the jig and ready to be turned over to add the other four.
All eight strands on, but this is where things starte to get shaky, in preparing to trim the ends I pushed one of the end spiders out of shape,
reckoning I could sort that out after removing the brass rod from the centre I proceeded to gently ease the brass rod out, and the whole shoot fell to bits
.Plan B, try a similar set up without the brass rod,
Will find out next weekend if that work,
Si
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Gremlin56
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Posted: Sunday, February 23, 2014 - 06:19 PM UTC
That must have been a frustrating weekend Simon. Difficult build in this scale too. I would approach this problem by using a length of the very thin Albion Alloys brass rod, and fixing the spiders on it with Gator grip glue. That gives you a solid support to work from. For the antenna wires I would try using the thinnest ez-line. Always easier to give advice than to really do this sort of thing though
Cosimodo
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Posted: Sunday, February 23, 2014 - 09:36 PM UTC
Hi Simon,
It's looking very impressive.
I am watching the aerials with close interest. I used eze-line for my rigging which is certainly probably easier for beginners.
Where did you get the cage spreaders from? Were they part of the Pontos set or sourced from elsewhere?
cheers
Michael
michael
It's looking very impressive.
I am watching the aerials with close interest. I used eze-line for my rigging which is certainly probably easier for beginners.
Where did you get the cage spreaders from? Were they part of the Pontos set or sourced from elsewhere?
cheers
Michael
michael
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2014 - 06:01 AM UTC
Simon there is a good tip for this cage rigging in David Griffiths book on ship modelling he uses small brass ringlets and attaches the wire to these. I think this would give you a bigger place to glue onto than the small star shaped pieces you are using might be worth a try 
Keith
Keith
RedDuster
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Posted: Monday, February 24, 2014 - 08:08 AM UTC
Hi Julian,
Good thought, if the centre brass rod stayed in place, the cage structure needs to be self supporting with the centre rod removed, It fell apart as I was removing the brass rod down the middle.
However as this is a learning curve for me, so failure at the first attempt is no biggy, well not after
Hi Michael,
The cage spreaders are on the Pontos fret, they provide 40, which if you are being pedantic is enough to make the 4 required cages and some sapres, however I am using 6 on each not run, as I set up 8 and it looked too much, so plenty of spares.
Hi Kieth,
I know David's technique, looks good in 1/700th, In this scale I am trying for accurate. If I fail, I will use a cheat, that is simple and effective, get two lengths of 4 bar railings, roll them into each into a long half tube & glue together,
Thanks for the tips guys, appreciate it, will continue to update with successes and failures on this bit.
Si
Good thought, if the centre brass rod stayed in place, the cage structure needs to be self supporting with the centre rod removed, It fell apart as I was removing the brass rod down the middle.
However as this is a learning curve for me, so failure at the first attempt is no biggy, well not after Hi Michael,
The cage spreaders are on the Pontos fret, they provide 40, which if you are being pedantic is enough to make the 4 required cages and some sapres, however I am using 6 on each not run, as I set up 8 and it looked too much, so plenty of spares.
Hi Kieth,
I know David's technique, looks good in 1/700th, In this scale I am trying for accurate. If I fail, I will use a cheat, that is simple and effective, get two lengths of 4 bar railings, roll them into each into a long half tube & glue together,
Thanks for the tips guys, appreciate it, will continue to update with successes and failures on this bit.
Si
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