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Military Small Craft Campaign, PT Boat build
jubelum
Joined: May 28, 2007
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Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 11:26 AM UTC
Good day again guys,thought of joining here as well....bought this kit a couple of months ago...and start to build it as soon as i opened the box hehe...but decided to convert it to a pt boat stationed somewhere in the mediterranean...
sdk10159
Joined: December 08, 2005
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Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 02:27 PM UTC
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Did you see Shaun's (Muddyfields) PT Dio? He put together a crew that looks really good. maybe he can point you in the right direction.
Ed
Hi Ed,
I saw that awesome dio but for some stupid reason, I never thought to ask the guy any questions about the figures. Too stunned looking at the camoufage maybe? I posted a question to him per your suggestion.
Thanks for the pointer.
Steve
sdk10159
Joined: December 08, 2005
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Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 03:01 PM UTC
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Hi Steve,
Either MiniArt or MB make a couple of German Tank maintenance crews which would convert fairly easily to sailors as they have trousers and shirts. I used some for my coal crane as civilians and a couple as RN sailors. They wouldm probably have the sort of poses you're looking for.
Cheers
Al
Great tip, ALan. Thanks. I never considered either one of those manufacturers. Looks like two of them, one from each, will work with little modifications.
Steve
sdk10159
Joined: December 08, 2005
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Posted: Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 03:03 PM UTC
Hi jubelum, welcome to the conversation.
Looking good so far. What modifications do you plan on doing to yours?
Steve
Looking good so far. What modifications do you plan on doing to yours?
Steve
skipper
Joined: February 28, 2002
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2008 - 04:02 AM UTC
Hi Steve
Check this:
U-Models
Then go to the catalog and choose 1:35 figurines - you have at least 6 US Navy guys that could match your needs..
Rodolphe Roussile is the owner and also a member around MSW
Hope this helps,
Skipper
Check this:
U-Models
Then go to the catalog and choose 1:35 figurines - you have at least 6 US Navy guys that could match your needs..
Rodolphe Roussile is the owner and also a member around MSW
Hope this helps,
Skipper
sdk10159
Joined: December 08, 2005
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2008 - 03:28 PM UTC
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Hi Steve
Check this:
U-Models
Then go to the catalog and choose 1:35 figurines - you have at least 6 US Navy guys that could match your needs..
Rodolphe Roussile is the owner and also a member around MSW
Hope this helps,
Skipper
Skipper,
Thanks for the heads up on that link. Some of those figs are just what I'm looking for,
Steve
sdk10159
Joined: December 08, 2005
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2008 - 09:30 PM UTC
Guys,
I am struggling to create sun-bleached wood effects for my PT Boat dock. Pleaseexamine the image and tell me what you think.
I had originally stained the balsa wood strips a mixture of Van Dyke Brown and Paynes grey to achieve a weathered look for pine. That's the series of strips on the far left. Then I realized that wood will get sun bleached in the hot humid climate of the South Pacific. So I took some strips from the original staining and applied a wash of Naples Yellow and Flake White. Those are the 28 strips in the center. The right side grouping are fresh balsa stained to look like new pine boards.
I need your advice. Am I on the right track?
I am struggling to create sun-bleached wood effects for my PT Boat dock. Pleaseexamine the image and tell me what you think.
I had originally stained the balsa wood strips a mixture of Van Dyke Brown and Paynes grey to achieve a weathered look for pine. That's the series of strips on the far left. Then I realized that wood will get sun bleached in the hot humid climate of the South Pacific. So I took some strips from the original staining and applied a wash of Naples Yellow and Flake White. Those are the 28 strips in the center. The right side grouping are fresh balsa stained to look like new pine boards.
I need your advice. Am I on the right track?
gator
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#027
Joined: April 13, 2005
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2008 - 11:28 PM UTC
Looks old to me. 
Gator
Gator
sdk10159
Joined: December 08, 2005
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Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 03:08 AM UTC
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Looks old to me.
Gator
Thanks, I feel old, too
skipper
Joined: February 28, 2002
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 06:35 PM UTC
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Quoted TextHi Steve
Check this:
U-Models
Then go to the catalog and choose 1:35 figurines - you have at least 6 US Navy guys that could match your needs..
Rodolphe Roussile is the owner and also a member around MSW
Hope this helps,
Skipper
Skipper,
Thanks for the heads up on that link. Some of those figs are just what I'm looking for,
Steve
Hi Steve, glad I could help
As for your dock - I like the sun faded effects, but I think you should make two changes:
- some of the planks should be a little damaged (not so neat)
- the pylons should have different heights and also not so neat on the top - take a look at some harbor pylons and you'll know what I am talking about
Cheers,
Skipper
sdk10159
Joined: December 08, 2005
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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2008 - 12:30 AM UTC
Hi Skipper,
In my newest rev of the dock, I did use different sized boards for variety and also splintered some of them for damage. I did think about using different sized pilings, but all new docks I"ve been to are roughly the same height.
One thing that I took into consideration, this dock in my scene has been there for about 1 year at the longest maybe. THe US built docks to operate the PT boats from starting in 1942 on some of those islands. As the war progressed, the bases were "Closed" and the boats moved to newer locations, so some of these docks the boats operated from may not have been more than a few months old and therefore, the pilings wouldn't have settled much.
THat was my theory.
Steve
In my newest rev of the dock, I did use different sized boards for variety and also splintered some of them for damage. I did think about using different sized pilings, but all new docks I"ve been to are roughly the same height.
One thing that I took into consideration, this dock in my scene has been there for about 1 year at the longest maybe. THe US built docks to operate the PT boats from starting in 1942 on some of those islands. As the war progressed, the bases were "Closed" and the boats moved to newer locations, so some of these docks the boats operated from may not have been more than a few months old and therefore, the pilings wouldn't have settled much.
THat was my theory.
Steve
sdk10159
Joined: December 08, 2005
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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2008 - 02:41 AM UTC
Hi gents,
A further update to my PT build and dock. I lengthened the dock to about the entire length of the boat. I put different colored homemade stains on the balsa wood, but I'm not too pleased with the result. I may rip it up and start over. Skipper suggested using different height pilings and if I do start over, I may take his suggestion.
I put the boat alongside and placed some of the stores I"m planning on using on the dock as well. Opinions, ideas and critiquesgratefully accepted. Thus far, all your help has been great.
A further update to my PT build and dock. I lengthened the dock to about the entire length of the boat. I put different colored homemade stains on the balsa wood, but I'm not too pleased with the result. I may rip it up and start over. Skipper suggested using different height pilings and if I do start over, I may take his suggestion.
I put the boat alongside and placed some of the stores I"m planning on using on the dock as well. Opinions, ideas and critiquesgratefully accepted. Thus far, all your help has been great.
Gunny
Joined: July 13, 2004
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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2008 - 06:51 AM UTC
Steve, I'm a no BS kinda guy, and I think that you should try the dock stain again, mate...I would stick with an overall, same colorization, with lighter variations in color in certain "high traffic" areas of the dock, you know, center walkways, and near the edges, to show more wear and tear in these areas...maybe try rubbing in a little yellow ochre (oils) over the initial stain, to "lighten up" the traffic areas, and to help show a bit of bleaching as well, finished up with an umber wash to bring up the grain, and "dirty" things up a bit...and Rui's suggestion for different piling heights would definitely true things up, my friend...whatever it is that you do decide to do, please keep up the progress reports, great build!
sdk10159
Joined: December 08, 2005
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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2008 - 07:42 AM UTC
Hi Mark and thanks for the input.
I think I"m going to go that route and start over. Just not happy with what I've got so far. I think I'll go with the different size pilings, as well.
Steve
I think I"m going to go that route and start over. Just not happy with what I've got so far. I think I'll go with the different size pilings, as well.
Steve
muddyfields
Joined: February 04, 2006
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Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 02:54 PM UTC
Hi
Nice build so far. I have to agree with the height of the piles being different would look better.
As for the staining on the deck ing the colour that you have near the middle is a nice mixture of faded & dark wood.
I nearly made a dockside area for my PT174 when I was making my diorama but decided I wanted to show the hull as well. Plus was not that confident in making so much water area.
Keep up the Good work .
The main thing is as Long as your happy with the end result.
Nice build so far. I have to agree with the height of the piles being different would look better.
As for the staining on the deck ing the colour that you have near the middle is a nice mixture of faded & dark wood.
I nearly made a dockside area for my PT174 when I was making my diorama but decided I wanted to show the hull as well. Plus was not that confident in making so much water area.
Keep up the Good work .
The main thing is as Long as your happy with the end result.
sdk10159
Joined: December 08, 2005
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 12:54 AM UTC
Hi guys,
A quick update on my PT boat dock. I ripped the thing apart and started from scratch, as I wasn't too happy with the way the first rev came out. I stained the balsa wood Minwax pickled oak and thought it was way too light. So, I gave the dock a wash made of burnt sienna and titanium white oil paints to vary the colors somewhat. I also varied the height of the pilings and gave them a heavy staining of black/burnt umber plus some sap green to simulate creosote. When I figure out the final placement of items on teh dock (ammo crates, fuel drums) I'll give the dock some further weathering for fuel stains, oil spills, sea gull droppings, etc.
All comments gratefully accepted.
Steve
A quick update on my PT boat dock. I ripped the thing apart and started from scratch, as I wasn't too happy with the way the first rev came out. I stained the balsa wood Minwax pickled oak and thought it was way too light. So, I gave the dock a wash made of burnt sienna and titanium white oil paints to vary the colors somewhat. I also varied the height of the pilings and gave them a heavy staining of black/burnt umber plus some sap green to simulate creosote. When I figure out the final placement of items on teh dock (ammo crates, fuel drums) I'll give the dock some further weathering for fuel stains, oil spills, sea gull droppings, etc.
All comments gratefully accepted.
Steve
Gunny
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 - 12:04 PM UTC
Ahoy, Steve,
Think yer on the right track now, mate...looking forward to watching the scene grow further, my friend...
Think yer on the right track now, mate...looking forward to watching the scene grow further, my friend...
jubelum
Joined: May 28, 2007
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Posted: Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 04:34 PM UTC
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Hi jubelum, welcome to the conversation.
Looking good so far. What modifications do you plan on doing to yours?
Steve
Hi there steve....and to all, i'm back from a long vacation.as for the modification , i just thought of outfitting it with a SO type radar dome and add a couple of twin .50 cal and .30 cal on side of the bridge.
ducati650
Joined: March 06, 2007
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Posted: Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 03:37 AM UTC
Steve,
Keep in mind that the mast is also different for the SO radar compared to the SO3.
The Academy US Machine gun set AA425 1384 has some very nice 50 and 30 cal guns including the types of barrels used to the boats. It also includes WWII style ammo boxes. I used a couple of these sets to add the 4 extra .50s and 2 extra .30 to my PT495 build.
You can see them on my boat with this link
Ed
BTW, one of the bigger mistakes Italeri made with this kit are the "lines" from the cross-bar down to the eyeloops on the sides of the mast. These a supposed to be rope lines for flags, not the big rods depicted in the kit.
Keep in mind that the mast is also different for the SO radar compared to the SO3.
The Academy US Machine gun set AA425 1384 has some very nice 50 and 30 cal guns including the types of barrels used to the boats. It also includes WWII style ammo boxes. I used a couple of these sets to add the 4 extra .50s and 2 extra .30 to my PT495 build.
You can see them on my boat with this link
Ed
BTW, one of the bigger mistakes Italeri made with this kit are the "lines" from the cross-bar down to the eyeloops on the sides of the mast. These a supposed to be rope lines for flags, not the big rods depicted in the kit.
sdk10159
Joined: December 08, 2005
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Posted: Monday, March 03, 2008 - 11:30 PM UTC
Hi Ed,
Yes, I'm aware of the missing rope lanyards for the flags. I'll have to cut the rods off and add rope for them.
I also used two of the .50 cals from Academy in mine because they have the opening reciever on them. One of the gun tubs has them and I'm working on a crewman loading them up.
Steve
Yes, I'm aware of the missing rope lanyards for the flags. I'll have to cut the rods off and add rope for them.
I also used two of the .50 cals from Academy in mine because they have the opening reciever on them. One of the gun tubs has them and I'm working on a crewman loading them up.
Steve
sdk10159
Joined: December 08, 2005
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Posted: Monday, March 17, 2008 - 12:50 AM UTC
A small update to the PT Boat dock. I've done a little work by adding dock fenders using tires from a Tamiya truck that got trashed. Also added some lamp posts. Most importantly, I've added the first layer of water. I used EnviroTex lite for the water effects. 
IT's 2 part clear resin. I mixed several drops of Olive green paint for color. The next layer will be applied when i mount the boat to the base.
I'll need to figure out how to add wave effects since this stuff will level out as it cures.
Now that the dock is relatively finished, I can now concentrate on the boat.
All comments gratefully appreciated.
Steve
IT's 2 part clear resin. I mixed several drops of Olive green paint for color. The next layer will be applied when i mount the boat to the base.
I'll need to figure out how to add wave effects since this stuff will level out as it cures.
Now that the dock is relatively finished, I can now concentrate on the boat.
All comments gratefully appreciated.
Steve
gbkirsch
Joined: June 04, 2005
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Posted: Monday, March 17, 2008 - 02:33 AM UTC
ducati650
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Posted: Monday, March 17, 2008 - 02:40 AM UTC
Thanks Gary. I was really pleased with the final outcome.
gator
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Posted: Monday, March 17, 2008 - 05:21 AM UTC
Looking very good Steve.
Gator
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JMartine
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Posted: Monday, March 17, 2008 - 10:36 AM UTC
Nice job! One thiing to keep in mind, having lived half of my life near piers and water, the part of the pilons in/out of water is going to be discolored and covered with a slimey/greenish film, depending on location/weather. Look forward to the rest of the build!
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