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350 scale Akagi
blaster76
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Posted: Monday, September 01, 2008 - 04:35 AM UTC
Over on the model warships site someone posted a link to the Hasegawa site showing pictures of some work ups and sprues of the upcoming kit. All I can say is this one is going to be a major pocketbook breaker. Well, there is always next year's budget to break into. Still might hold out for the projected Ise.
skipper
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Posted: Monday, September 01, 2008 - 05:56 AM UTC
Hi Steve
It looks really good - and it will be a monster model too!
I am also seeing a lot of open windows for PE makers, on the PE girders (to say the least)
Thanks for sharing
Rui
It looks really good - and it will be a monster model too!
I am also seeing a lot of open windows for PE makers, on the PE girders (to say the least)
Thanks for sharing
Rui
Karybdis
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Posted: Monday, September 01, 2008 - 06:12 AM UTC
Maybe because most of my build time on the Hiryu has been girders, but that's the first place I looked. Ouch, those girders on the Akagi are gonna be a major pain. They're way too thick, have no holes in them, and most of them are molded to the bottom of the flight deck. Not only will this require one *major* PE set to fix, but sanding off all of that under deck stuff is gonna get scary. Gentlemen, start your rotary tools! 
Even so, I'm on the edge of my seat for this kit. 
Even so, I'm on the edge of my seat for this kit. 
Tojo72
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Posted: Monday, September 01, 2008 - 12:32 PM UTC
Those sprue's look pretty good ! I won't sweat the PE because I have not reached the ability to super detail,it will probably look pretty interesting OOB anyway.Did you notice the aircraft are not clear ? to me that is a plus.
But with recent price increases it does have you wondering what the kit alone will end up costing,and probably some extra aircraft at least.I really want this one,just hope the cost makes it prohibitive for me.
But with recent price increases it does have you wondering what the kit alone will end up costing,and probably some extra aircraft at least.I really want this one,just hope the cost makes it prohibitive for me.
blaster76
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Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 06:43 AM UTC
Speculation is that this one is going to retail in exess of over $250. Why? Probably because that's the thinking. I don't think this will be more detailed or complex than one of the pagoda BB's but it is probably a mind set. As has been pointed out, all that under deck bracing is molded in and the island is so small, to my way of thinking, it should be a bit cheaper than a BB because it is less complex of a kit. Now if they throw in 40 or so aircraft that would change my opinion a bit, but I'm betting you will get 6 ea of 3 types of aircraft.
goldenpony
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Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 09:00 AM UTC
It is going to be a nice kit for sure. I was also looking at all of the support steel and feel the same way Dade does. Way too thick looking and to replace it with PE is going to be a task. BUT, it will sure look sweet.
The aircraft look very nice and for the scale pretty well detailed. The price is going to be a killer for this one. I would love to get her, but will more than likely settle for the 1/700 versions of her. It is tempting. Maybe after I get the nerve to build my Saratoga I will get up the nerve to get one.
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 10:47 AM UTC
The flight deck understructure looks thick and over-simplified for this scale. Also, the wrap-around catwalk along the exterior of the forward hangar is way too chunky. The molded on details for the island are likewise a bit overdone for my taste, but they can be mitigated with dark paint. In many ways, it looks like Hasegawa is simply up-scaling their 1:450 kit.
However, the flight deck planking is exquisite. One might be better off waiting for a wooden insert and scratchbuilding the exposed understructure. Add the requisite PE support girders and a "committed" builder will be putting out much cash and time to make the kit a real gem. At least it will be good practice for my 1:350 Kaga!
--The Captain
However, the flight deck planking is exquisite. One might be better off waiting for a wooden insert and scratchbuilding the exposed understructure. Add the requisite PE support girders and a "committed" builder will be putting out much cash and time to make the kit a real gem. At least it will be good practice for my 1:350 Kaga!
--The Captain
Karybdis
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Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 11:49 AM UTC
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In many ways, it looks like Hasegawa is simply up-scaling their 1:450 kit.
I was thinking the same thing....
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Add the requisite PE support girders and a "committed" builder will be putting out much cash and time to make the kit a real gem.
That committed builder, for better or worse (mostly worse), is me.
It's probably gonna be almost a year after this kit is released for all the aftermarket stuff I'd like to be released. Which is actually good in many ways, not the least of which is my wallet. 
Needless to say, Shinsengumi already has my support and they haven't even formally announced a deck yet. 
Fordboy
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Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 12:09 PM UTC
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 11:43 AM UTC
Check out Nautilus Models and their wooden Akagi flight deck:
http://nautilusmodels.com/AKAGI.htm
In addition to the wooden deck topside, they have laser-etched the bottom of the sheet to produce the girder pattern . Though the photos are for the 1:450 kit, they promise to do the same thing for the 1:350. It may be better than the kit-supplied deck, and at least it's in one piece!
--Karl
http://nautilusmodels.com/AKAGI.htm
In addition to the wooden deck topside, they have laser-etched the bottom of the sheet to produce the girder pattern . Though the photos are for the 1:450 kit, they promise to do the same thing for the 1:350. It may be better than the kit-supplied deck, and at least it's in one piece!
--Karl
Karybdis
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Posted: Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 04:47 PM UTC
The problem with Nautilus Models' stuff is that their decks are just plain too thick unless you want to do some significant surgery to make them lay down at the correct height. Shinsengumi, OTOH, makes their stuff paper thin, so it lays right down over the original deck. Check out my Kongo build log and see what I mean. The grid engraving on the bottom of Nautilus' deck doesn't replicate the actual girder configuration accurately.
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 05:30 PM UTC
Well, it looks like the solution would be a shinsengumi deck with scratchbuilt understructure. In any case, the post-purchase outlay for the modeler will be substantial.
--Karl
--Karl
blaster76
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Posted: Friday, September 05, 2008 - 11:23 AM UTC
and that is on top of the already whopping price for just the kit. ALso you'll want PE and if the Nagato is any indication....you'll pay through the nose for that as well. I can easily see $400 or so spent on this kit.....that's 2 battleships...WITH PE for me.
Karybdis
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Posted: Thursday, September 18, 2008 - 07:16 PM UTC
Okay guys get ready for some extreme wallet abuse...
From insider Momoko:
HASEGAWA
1/350 IJN CV Akagi 26,040(Yen)
Additional parts set
_Photo-etched
_ basic set A 4,200
_ basic set B 4,200
_ basic set C 3,150
_ super set 10,290
_Wooden flight deck set 10,290
Yikes. Just... yikes....
As an aside, some other stuff:
Fujimi
1/350 IJN BB/CV ISE Approximate price:23,100(Yen) Release schedule:November
1/700 IJN BB Kongo(1944,Retooled) 2,730 / December
1/700 IJN CV Kaiyo(Full Hull Ver.) 2,940 / November
Aoshima
1/350 IJN BB Kirishima(1942) 15,225 / October
1/700 IJN CL Oyodo(1943) 3,360 / October
I would love to build the Kirishima as a comparison build to the Fujimi Kongo...
From insider Momoko:
HASEGAWA
1/350 IJN CV Akagi 26,040(Yen)
Additional parts set
_Photo-etched
_ basic set A 4,200
_ basic set B 4,200
_ basic set C 3,150
_ super set 10,290
_Wooden flight deck set 10,290
Yikes. Just... yikes....
As an aside, some other stuff:
Fujimi
1/350 IJN BB/CV ISE Approximate price:23,100(Yen) Release schedule:November
1/700 IJN BB Kongo(1944,Retooled) 2,730 / December
1/700 IJN CV Kaiyo(Full Hull Ver.) 2,940 / November
Aoshima
1/350 IJN BB Kirishima(1942) 15,225 / October
1/700 IJN CL Oyodo(1943) 3,360 / October
I would love to build the Kirishima as a comparison build to the Fujimi Kongo...
Tojo72
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Posted: Friday, September 19, 2008 - 10:42 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Okay guys get ready for some extreme wallet abuse...
From insider Momoko:
HASEGAWA
1/350 IJN CV Akagi 26,040(Yen)
Additional parts set
_Photo-etched
_ basic set A 4,200
_ basic set B 4,200
_ basic set C 3,150
_ super set 10,290
_Wooden flight deck set 10,290
Yikes. Just... yikes....
As an aside, some other stuff:
Fujimi
1/350 IJN BB/CV ISE Approximate price:23,100(Yen) Release schedule:November
1/700 IJN BB Kongo(1944,Retooled) 2,730 / December
1/700 IJN CV Kaiyo(Full Hull Ver.) 2,940 / November
Aoshima
1/350 IJN BB Kirishima(1942) 15,225 / October
1/700 IJN CL Oyodo(1943) 3,360 / October
I would love to build the Kirishima as a comparison build to the Fujimi Kongo...
Hi dade...........thanks for the info i am being lazy but how about a translation into USD
Karybdis
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Posted: Friday, September 19, 2008 - 07:49 PM UTC
Okay, here's the latest. Everything is available for pre-order at HLJ. There is a discount for pre-orders, so the prices are a little cheaper, but will still be a major hit to the wallet. You have been warned...
Base Kit:
http://www.hlj.com/product/HSGZ25
Detail Set A:
http://www.hlj.com/product/HSGQG26
Detail Set B
http://www.hlj.com/product/HSGQG27
Detail Set C
http://www.hlj.com/product/HSGQG28
Detail Super Set (the world wonders if this will cntain the stuff from the first 3... probably not. (sigh)):
http://www.hlj.com/product/HSG40071
A point of interest is the pricing. Some of these prices don't match the stuff I read earlier and it seems like the prices for the C set and the Super set are maybe switched. Who knows...?
Wooden Deck:
http://www.hlj.com/product/HSGQG25
Anthony, a basic rule of thumb with yen prices is to divide the yen by 100 and you get a fair approximation of the dollar amount. Depending on the exchange rate, how close it is to 100 can vary...
Have fun guys and get those credit cards ready!
Base Kit:
http://www.hlj.com/product/HSGZ25
Detail Set A:
http://www.hlj.com/product/HSGQG26
Detail Set B
http://www.hlj.com/product/HSGQG27
Detail Set C
http://www.hlj.com/product/HSGQG28
Detail Super Set (the world wonders if this will cntain the stuff from the first 3... probably not. (sigh)):
http://www.hlj.com/product/HSG40071
A point of interest is the pricing. Some of these prices don't match the stuff I read earlier and it seems like the prices for the C set and the Super set are maybe switched. Who knows...?
Wooden Deck:
http://www.hlj.com/product/HSGQG25
Anthony, a basic rule of thumb with yen prices is to divide the yen by 100 and you get a fair approximation of the dollar amount. Depending on the exchange rate, how close it is to 100 can vary...
Have fun guys and get those credit cards ready!
Tojo72
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Posted: Saturday, September 20, 2008 - 01:24 AM UTC
thanks for the links and the tips
whittman181
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Posted: Sunday, September 21, 2008 - 02:27 PM UTC
Many years ago I built a few of the Tamiya 1/350 scale ships and really enjoyed doing them. I am really excited about all the 350 scale releases and I intend to get back in it with this one 
Bob
Bobblaster76
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Posted: Sunday, September 21, 2008 - 07:26 PM UTC
I didn't realize the Ise was so close to release. Mid October you can pick it up for 20,500 yen which is somewhere btwn $180 and 190 dependant upon value of dollar. I think I will pass on Akagi. Too much wrong for such an exhorbitant price.
goldenpony
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2008 - 12:59 AM UTC
Has there been any photos of the ISE released yet?
I had seen a few folks mentioned Akagi was on pre-order on some of the Japanese sites and the price was pretty heafty.
I had seen a few folks mentioned Akagi was on pre-order on some of the Japanese sites and the price was pretty heafty.
MartinJQuinn
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2008 - 03:19 AM UTC
New pictures of Akagi, including PE and box art here
Looks like the braces under the flight deck can be replaced with PE. I'm going to wait until the kit comes out before making a decision on buying it, but I'm strongly leaning towards getting it.
Yes, Hobby Link Japan posted pictures as part of their coverage from the last hobby show in Japan. Click here for pictures (well, A picture).
Looks like the braces under the flight deck can be replaced with PE. I'm going to wait until the kit comes out before making a decision on buying it, but I'm strongly leaning towards getting it.
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Has there been any photos of the ISE released yet?
Yes, Hobby Link Japan posted pictures as part of their coverage from the last hobby show in Japan. Click here for pictures (well, A picture).
goldenpony
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2008 - 03:57 AM UTC
Thanks for the Ise pictures Martin!
blaster76
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2008 - 05:35 AM UTC
Wow....that PE deck bracing is super. Why couldn't they have made the plastic a little closer to that instead of the mess they did make. As predicted, 3 types of aircraft, I can't read Japanese, but I think they are telling you 3 ea Kates and Vals and 6 zero's. So better add on another 30 or 40 dollars for some additional aircraft Looks like $400 I figured wasn't as far fetched as initially thought. I'm going to go with the ISE which is due out in 2 or 3 months. Maybe someone will release a Soryu / Hiryu or one of the 'kaku aircraft carriers for a less exhorbitant price. Trumpeter might jump in and do some aircraft for them which will probably be cheaper than what Hasegawa charges.
I think I'm just going to have to start buying lottery ticks. That way I can get a huge house to put all this in and hire Dade to help me build some of these beauties
I think I'm just going to have to start buying lottery ticks. That way I can get a huge house to put all this in and hire Dade to help me build some of these beauties
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2008 - 05:47 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Okay guys get ready for some extreme wallet abuse...
From insider Momoko:
HASEGAWA
1/350 IJN CV Akagi 26,040(Yen)
Additional parts set
_Photo-etched
_ basic set A 4,200
_ basic set B 4,200
_ basic set C 3,150
_ super set 10,290
_Wooden flight deck set 10,290
Yikes. Just... yikes....
As an aside, some other stuff:
Fujimi
1/350 IJN BB/CV ISE Approximate price:23,100(Yen) Release schedule:November
1/700 IJN BB Kongo(1944,Retooled) 2,730 / December
1/700 IJN CV Kaiyo(Full Hull Ver.) 2,940 / November
Aoshima
1/350 IJN BB Kirishima(1942) 15,225 / October
1/700 IJN CL Oyodo(1943) 3,360 / October
I would love to build the Kirishima as a comparison build to the Fujimi Kongo...
The cost of the Naval Expansion Act of 2009 will rival that of the great dreadnought race:
--1:350 Akagi
--2 1:350 Kongo-types
-1:350 Ise (maybe two if you want to make a full battleship version, too)
-1:350 Repulse
-1:350 Yukikaze/Isokaze
-1:350 Fubuki
-1:350 Laffey
-2 1:72 I-boats
-mucho PE sets
-ditto for 1:350 crew figures
Looks like the "guns and butter" argument has reached the 1:350 realm!
--Karl
TracyWhite
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2008 - 08:36 AM UTC
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Wow....that PE deck bracing is super. Why couldn't they have made the plastic a little closer to that instead of the mess they did make.
They probably didn't want to give you any more ammunition for price bashing.
By the way, how would Akagi be less complex than a BB?
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