Italeri 1/35 scale S-100 Schnellboot
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 07:55 AM UTC
Julian the pics are from Murdock's 1/72 model ... I just posted them to tempt Chris into opening up the doors. I've nearly finished a similar 1/35 staircase  (one more to go). They are easy to make but I don't know what they looked like in real life ( I'm using treadplate for the steps)  
 
 Arjan
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 08:14 AM UTC
Julian except the brown pastels in my revell model i have just use graphite pencil on the edges.
Thomas 
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 08:06 PM UTC
Hi Guys
Sean just posted news of the Cammetts resin bridge. I have also put together a comparison image so you can see what the main differences are with the kit part
Brian 
 
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 12:00 AM UTC
Thanks Brian,
That's definitely an improvement on the Italeri Kalotte. At 15 pounds it's also cheaper than buying two sets of Archer surface detail sets (rivets and weldbeads) and a set of Evergreen strips, not to mention the amount of work involved. Perhaps the next aftermarket item might be a complete Pilothouse ..... 

  It does show it's unwise to start on an Italeri kit before the inevitable aftermarket sets are available.
Cheers,
Arjan
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 12:59 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Thanks Brian,
That's definitely an improvement on the Italeri Kalotte. At 15 pounds it's also cheaper than buying two sets of Archer surface detail sets (rivets and weldbeads) and a set of Evergreen strips, not to mention the amount of work involved. Perhaps the next aftermarket item might be a complete Pilothouse .....  It does show it's unwise to start on an Italeri kit before the inevitable aftermarket sets are available.
  It does show it's unwise to start on an Italeri kit before the inevitable aftermarket sets are available.
Cheers,
Arjan
Hehehe - thats why I am waiting to start mine 

. Next from Cammets will be the mines and rails, and after that a complete S38 style bridge to convert it back to a previous version
Regards
Brian
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 02:51 AM UTC
Thomas -
I love your PT boat.
Garth
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 02:53 AM UTC
Looking good Julien.  Keep up the good work sir.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 05:08 AM UTC
...and coming soon: Canvas Railing covers by Cammetts - maybe better as leadfoil to tinker!
So boys, calm down, work slow, examine pics of the original boats by magnifer to find the differences between Lang and HaJü etc. and wait for the aftermarket-guys! 
 
 Michael
PS. THAT bridge is mine!
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 08:40 AM UTC
Hi Guys
I am really enjoying this thread and everyones work is just superb.
I love these S100's and S-Boats in general I even have a stalled project to prove it. More on this later.
Rest assured any S100 updates from Cammetts will be posted asap by the news desk. They look to be great products and Brian and the crew are working very hard.
Just keep an eye on the "/news" area of the site in the "Carpenters Shop " forum for updates.
Keep up the great work my friends.
Cheers
Sean
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Posted: Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 07:24 AM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 08:52 AM UTC
Hi Julian,
well this depth charges don’t look good...   It’s even worst then I suppose to be at the first look...
I think that you should wait for mines...     

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Posted: Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 07:16 PM UTC
Not on board yet Wojtek, but they do appear to need substantial cleaning up  
 
 Julian  
 
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Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 - 12:14 AM UTC
I have the depth charge and rails set from Cammets that I ordered through WEM.  From the pictures the Cammett set has much finer detail and will take no clean-up beyond removing the pour mold.
Chris
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Posted: Friday, February 13, 2009 - 06:02 AM UTC
...I hope, the Schatton mines I've ordered are not of the same scrap of no sale value  
 
 Now I'm waiting for the Cammett bridge for saving Archer weld seams...
... waiting and filling and sanding and filling and waiting and..... 
 
   
 Michael
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 - 02:38 AM UTC
Today I intended to spray the underwater colour. When masking off the hull, however, it struck me that the position of the holes in the hull does not match pictures at all. It would seem that most of them have been postioned far too low on the hull (the Revell model seems to be more accurate here ,although they omitted some). They should all be much closer to the rubbing-fender (page 23, 24, 28 Squadron). The Lang boat also had a hole  above the rubbing-fender (near the midship-bollard), so it would appear Italeri also omitted one. I must say I don't like the idea of repositioning them but  some are about a full cm off. I wonder if you agree with my findings and also if you are going to relocate them ....
Cheers,
Arjan
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 - 03:24 AM UTC
Hi Arjan,
I fear you are right, the hole-postions in the hull are not matching the pics. Not only on the S-100-type, but also on the ancestors!
...and I don't like the idea of repositioning too!
There's so much to do to bring the model to Langs or HaJüs appearance (what do you think about the aerial mounts, the backside of the wheelhouse with the position of the round vent and the helmet racks for instance of the HaJü-boat) and now the holes...
Thats all I needed! 
...but I will meditate on this  

 + 

 = 
 
  so long, 
Mchael    
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 - 04:20 AM UTC
I did some further work on on my Cammetts depth charges. AFter looking at the ref pic I decided to make the mounting points for the cables under the rear bar on the rails. They were scratched for various bits form a Hummel kit (track guide horns particularly useful here). The cables are Karaya .4mm copper braid, and the rest is brass, copper, and galvanised wire, lead foil and styrene rod. I tried to get as close to the ref as possible but I just did not have a view of the correct release mechanism attached to the toggle, so a bit of artistic licence was involved 

.
I must say the sculpting on these are amazing, there is only the mold to remove on the charges and this line can be hidden underneath when they are on the rails. 
 
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Posted: Saturday, February 14, 2009 - 05:41 AM UTC
Nice work Brian, looks really good. 
 
 Julian
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 05:20 AM UTC
I have repositioned most of the holes I could find more or less clear reference of:



The bow picture shows that the Italeri people were some 4cm off on this hole (there can be no excuse for this as there are a lot of pics that clearly show the correct position). The other bow (drain) hole on the opposite side has an identical position. The second pic is of the starboard side and the third of the port side. The holes I didn't photograph were left as they are because I could find no clear reference of these. 
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 06:49 AM UTC
Arjan, magical sir, I just hope someone appreciates the extra work you are putting into this model. When finished it deserves a place in a museum instead of somewhere on a shelf at home (like mine).

cheers,
Julian  
 
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 07:06 AM UTC
Arjan nice work there, thank you very much. Tell me what are you planing to do with those screw covers on the bottom of the hull? I remove them from my model because i dont think that they where on the real boat.
Thomas
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Posted: Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 08:25 AM UTC
Good evening gentlemen,
Thomas, I also have some doubts about these screwplates you mention. I haven't been able to find any pic that shows them but that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't exist... I plan to leave them for what they are, fortunately they are pretty much hidden from sight when you put your model on its stand  
 
 Cheers,
Arjan
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2009 - 09:09 AM UTC
Hi Everyone
FYI Robin from Cammetts has contacted the site and a poll has been started on "The Carpenters Forum" with regard to what future releases for the S100 would be desireable.
I personally think this is great an aftermarket manufacturer is taking the time to poll us the modellers of this site for what we would like.
So please make sure you get over and have your say.
Cheers
Sean
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 12:59 AM UTC
Hello all! 
Been quiet around here so I thought I would ask a question -
I am tackling the ammo lockers and looking at the pictures of Ha Ju it seems that two smaller ammo lockers were replaced with a vertical cabinet - does anyone know if this was on both sides?  Also according to the picture it looks like the doors that were fitted were larger that the cabinets (look at the overlap at the bottom).. this would make sense since it was probably a field mod.
Otherwise I have the karolette mounted and I am letting the putty to cure to finish the bridge / front deck join.  Once that is done I am looking at some serious quality time spent with archer rivet decals.
I cut off all of the locating tab for the wheelhouse, this lets me slide the entire assembly in from the back, which is making assembly and painting easier.  if I get a chance this week I'll post some pictures.
Chris
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 05:27 AM UTC
Hi Chris,
I gave my view on the locker subject earlier (page 3, I believe). Here is a pic I posted then in which the positions can be seen (two vertical ones on the starboard side, one vertical and one horizontal one on the port side.

I believe the lockers were simply the standard ones but it's possible that the doors were altered (they must at least have changed some of the hinges). I have also been thinking about the 3.7 cm ammo locker. Page 45 shows a 4 cm locker which was probably identical. There are quite a few rivets here, and they give an indication of what the interior must have looked like (a horizontal shelf in the middle and quite a few vertical partitions to house the ammo clips). Since the 3.7 cm clips are very similar, I'm sure the kit's ammo locker should have the same internal configuration.
Regards,
Arjan