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Posted: Monday, January 11, 2010 - 12:24 PM UTC
Hi Jim
I know you are being inundated with suggesions but I must add that you should avail yourself of FLOWER CLASS CORVETTES by John Lambert and Les Brown.
Published by Seaforth Publishing.
It has been released as a new edition last year. All Flowers are listed with variations modifications ,plans .colour schemes ,camouflage and lots of pictures.
Your Trillium K172 buit by Canadian Vickers Montraeal is listed. Built 20/02/1940 and launched May 1941.
I got mine from John direct. I am about to build my third Flower and love the book.
Regards Les
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Posted: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 - 06:25 AM UTC
Thank you Leslie, and I dont mind any and all suggestions at all! the books I have here, as well as the previously mentioned reference are:
Corvettes of the Royal Canadian Navy(1939-1945) by Ken Macphereson, Marc Milner Vanwell publishing ltd.
Flower Class Corvettes by John Lambert, Les Brown Vanwell Publishing Ltd.
These books are Great!...however, they do NOT have port AND starboard views of Snowberry or Trillium, which is what I need to move on..
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Posted: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 - 06:27 AM UTC
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Hi could well be a flotilla of flowers about in next couple of years
Im hoping that this thread will assist others who would wish to build and "spruce up" a Flower ...I get satisfaction knowing that this not only helps other modellers, but the site as well...
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Posted: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 - 06:33 AM UTC
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Nice work Jim! I will follow this thread as I have this kit waiting for me to get it started. I'm a little scared because being so big I really need to pay attention to all the details and "scratch" is the key word ( along with some PE and AM , depending on the budget ). Good luck with them Jim!
I admit there is an intimidation factor that is definitely linked to the size of the ship, but trust me, this is all smoke and mirrors..there is nothing to be intimidated by...take it in sub assemblies, and its no different than any other model. If you care to, follow along and let me make all the mistakes first!..
The trick to making this model shine, in my opinion, will be the painting!
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 05:26 AM UTC
Nice work, Jim. I'll be following this build with great interest.
I'll be starting mine next month and will be doing her up as the Snowberry. Your attention to detail practically intimidates me.
I've collected a myriad of websites and images to try to 'accuratize' my Snow.
Are you going to address the stern for the Snowberry? I believe for her, it was the more flattened kind.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 05:50 AM UTC
http://www.navy.gc.ca/project_pride/all_images/photo_archive_images/Large/MC-2961.jpg try this link i belive this shows the rear end of snowberry . or should i have worded that differently
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Hay Jim i now have the box in my work room so hope to start soon .Just clearing the decks
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 05:54 AM UTC
Mike, this is EXACTLY why I need those plans of Snowberry.... I am under the impression, Snowberry being built fairly early, and being leased to us by the British navy, that her stern was rounded.....PLEASE dont tell me it was squared...
Edit: Johhny many thanks for posting that image ..I REALLY need to get a scanner hooked up so I can reciprocate and help others..and by the way .."clearing the decks " is an appropriate statement..we will move on to decking issues after dealing with scuttle issues..I have the decks for Trillium sanded, and will post pics of this..I must figure out how to properly extend her forecastle.. ..
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 06:23 AM UTC
I'm joining in with those that are following this thread with great interest. I read The Cruel Sea many times in school and ever time I go into my LHS I see this kit on the shelf softly whispering to me, "buy me, buy me." One of these days I'm going to give in.
Rodger
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 08:55 AM UTC
From a quick internet search I just did, it seems that the Snowberry did NOT have the squared stern. Two different sources (forum discussions) stated that 1), the only the first 45 Corvettes had been fitted for mine laying gear and Snowberry was after that count and 2), RCN destined corvettes had the squared sterns but RN corvettes did not and Snowberry was intended to be an RN ship so as such, has that type of hull configuration.
So it seems we are both safe from a needed stern 'flattening'.
Though as a side note, here's a link to a forum that someone did a 'flat' stern build of the Revell kit for their corvette. I had saved it because I was originally planning on doing an earlier version of a RCN boat but became faint of heart.
flat stern corvette He's still in the process of building it.
Here's a site that offers Flower Class plans:
John Lambert Plans"I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." - John Paul Jones
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 08:01 PM UTC
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I admit there is an intimidation factor that is definitely linked to the size of the ship, but trust me, this is all smoke and mirrors..there is nothing to be intimidated by...take it in sub assemblies, and its no different than any other model. If you care to, follow along and let me make all the mistakes first!.. The trick to making this model shine, in my opinion, will be the painting!
Yes Jim, you're right, working with subassemblies is the best way to go. This way it's also easier to see the details you need to add. Painting is really scary, mainly because I don't have an airbrush. But by the time I intend to start this kit I plan to buy one ( I can't imagine having to paint such a big surface with a brush ). I would love to follow you with my build but now I'm preparing to go to work ( on a ship) and I'll be gone for about 6 months, after I come back I'll start it. But until I go I'll be watching this thread and I hope I didn't "bombarded" you with info and questions. Good luck!
Interesting links Michael( impressive work) and Johnny ( I was just about to tell Jim about this site as it has so many photos of canadian corvettes).
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Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 - 06:18 AM UTC
http://www.cbrnp.com/RNP/Flower/contents.htmtry this link it has a shortened early war focsle conversion done by Bob Pearson.
May be of some help
I now am looking at the hull glued together and wondring what to do next .
sand it i suppose .
how much to take off the keel?
I am doing the build with no etch but will do some plastic detailing
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Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 - 07:54 AM UTC
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I now am looking at the hull glued together and wondring what to do next .
sand it i suppose .
how much to take off the keel?
I am doing the build with no etch but will do some plastic detailing
I removed the entire keel after much thought...I will rebuild it with strip plastic to the appropriate size,and have cut and shaped the bow properly....dont worry, be happy..will post pics of the hull if you like, when my wife returns my camera..
As far as sanding the plating on the hull...I took my time ,but used a palm sander at one point!..I went back and sanded again about 5 or 6 times until I was satisfied,mostly using wet/dry sandpaper. Some of the plate edges lost their detail, but I will make it up again using shading in my painting on the hull..
I once worked with a guy rebuilding aircraft, and I strengthened broken down plastic with a resin tippet glue and cloth..I am considering strengthening the inside of Snowberry with this...it will be like fibreglass..
Thanks for posting the links ,guys ...it all helps ....Im still in limbo on the scuttles for Snowberry here ..
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Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 - 10:29 AM UTC
I'm tempted to try a mid life Agassiz. I've gotten hold of a copy of the Agassiz 'Anatomy' book (my God, what detail!) and It has images of her with the open bridge but still short forcastle.
I was concerned about scratchbuilding the mine sweaping winch and then I read a posting by an ex-crewman of early flowers that said the winch was covered most of the time with canvas when not in use. Hmm, maybe I can pull that off.
After a doing some more detailed comparisons of the Snowberry kit and mid-life Agassiz, I'll decide.
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Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 - 10:55 AM UTC
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I'm tempted to try a mid life Agassiz. I've gotten hold of a copy of the Agassiz 'Anatomy' book (my God, what detail!) and It has images of her with the open bridge but still short forcastle.
Good reference is like the cornerstone of an accurate build..with the drawings of Agassiz in that book, id say go for it!!
I will probably use a canvas cover on the lifeboats for Snowberry. I have tricked out Trilliums boats ( I will show pics I promise) and while its simple , it is very time consuming. Ill leave the final decision to my freind, however.
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Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2010 - 03:10 AM UTC
here is a pic of the completed HMCS Trillium . Im sorry I did not have time to post as I went along, but the guy I built her for was very anxious, and I devoted all of my free time to her ..I have detail shots and will discuss all aspects of her build at lenght if you like ...Im focused now on Snowberry.....using the GLS sets..
Snowberrys hull has been sanded to an inch of its life to tone down the hull plating, I removed the nasty keel ..I have painted the anti-fouling , and masked her to accept primer, before moving on to the scuppers ..pics to follow... ( this one isnt such a rush to get done..)
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Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2010 - 03:14 AM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2010 - 05:33 AM UTC
HI Jim!
What a beauty! That's a nice touch with the soot around the mouth of the funnel, too.
--Karl
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Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2010 - 05:53 AM UTC
Thanks! I tried to weather the ship accurately, but time restraints, and the risk of overdoing it held my hand back somewhat..My a freind did up the decals, including the gunshield artwork..they cme up great!
For anyone thinking of doing one of these ships, I worked on:
1- all of the weaponry..
2- the decks
3- the funnel and vents
4-the decals
5- the hull plating and keel
Breaking the project into these basic headings simplified the job for me.
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Posted: Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 06:46 PM UTC
Wow Jim! Looking very good. The weathering and the decals are very good. I just hope you will show us more photos ( with both Trillium and Snowberry). I remember you said that the boats of Trilium will be covered with canvas. Can you show us how it turned out? Thank you.
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Posted: Sunday, May 09, 2010 - 03:04 AM UTC
Im sorry guys, I forgot about the canvas covers, and went with detailing the ribs and duckboards..this was done using Evergreen stripstock.
I scratchbuilt the armature that the Carley floats rested on as the kit pieces were so thick as to be unsalvageable. I had plans to scratchbuldthe Carleys using Das pronto, rigging rope, and Evergreen plastic, but I ran out of time unfortunately..The name board was the kit part, sanded smooth, painted flat black, and I then used a white Prismacolor oil pastel pencil to letter in the name of the Ship..
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Posted: Sunday, May 09, 2010 - 04:58 AM UTC
All I can say: this is a beautiful job!
Not overdone (I do like my models usually on the cleaner side of things). If my models come out only hald as good, I will be a very happy builder!
Cheers,
Harm
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Posted: Sunday, May 09, 2010 - 06:45 AM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, May 09, 2010 - 07:07 PM UTC
Hey.
I'm really impressed with this build and is a great inspiration for me to get started on my own project of the same scale. The colours of the boat really look the part. Some nice details to see on her too, something i love about the scale. Just one thing you might consider with regard to ship plans is simply to contact the national maritime museum plans dept. many plans drawn in books are sourced from these as they are the builders masters. You can get a copy of a plan sheet from as little as £4.60 for A3 plus a charge for the man who has to find them. Anyway its been great reading through this post. Nice work sir....
steve
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Posted: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 02:24 AM UTC
Excellent Advice Steve, and thank you!
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Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 12:57 AM UTC
Here is the 1:700 scale White Ensign models kit of the HMS Buttercup ...an easy little kit thats really fun to do..
I have put on a couple of coats of Future floor wax on the sea base, and have yet to rig her ..
Im sorry about the fuzzy pics,,
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