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DanielMoscatelli
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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2013 - 06:12 PM UTC
Some individual works of weatherings







Oils in the cover ......





And enamels chipping







;) Daniel
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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2013 - 06:23 PM UTC

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When I was building my S-100 there was a big discussion on whether the rope lashing for the forward gunpit cover was accurate or not. I see you have used it as well in spite of having the metal clamps fitted.


Julian, yes seemed to me very hard the effect that manages. And I decided to return initially.
Well-read that the claspers not always worked well!! And in some cases they flew away the lids to the sea!!! Jejeje In my case I decided to be cautious. I like the visual effect of the rope.

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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2013 - 06:32 PM UTC
The weathering on the tubes is amazing Daniel, as are the air intakes too. You didn't blank off the engineroom skylights?
Nice to hear that the rope lashing wasn't incorrect
DanielMoscatelli
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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2013 - 06:34 PM UTC
I am not sure ... but I believe that what indicate with the arrow its a lamp of green or red color of notice of the pipe is prompt for the launch of the torpedo. Does someone know this??



Daniel
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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2013 - 07:18 PM UTC
Have you tried contacting Gotrek58? He is an expert on all things WW II German, maybe he can shed some light on this subject

These are all the photos I have been able to find. Not really conclusive evidence though:





cheers
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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2013 - 08:31 PM UTC
@ Julian, you are too kind Commander. But you are correct about it being just about done as far as I can go until my bolts get here. How many times have you knocked your forward rudder off so far?

@ Daniel, you are a master of weathering Kapitan. I can weather to a certain level but your weathering goes a few steps further. Although I must admit, I know how good it is to keep troops minds off their lot by making work for them, hence there are always crew people chipping and painting, or washing, or polishing. Therefore I don't weather ships very heavily unless I wanted to show one that had been at sea for ages, and even then it would be mainly the hull and inaccessible places I would weather a bit.

As you said Daniel, I too can smell a Graf Spee in the air. It should be a relatively rapid build as it is a pretty simple ship when all is said and done. There is only one large and one small PE sheets for it in the Eduard set. Most bigger ships have at least three.

By the end of the Graf Spee my bolt heads should have appeared and the last bits I need to start my 1/72 Corvette..

Cheers everyone
Warren
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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2013 - 08:45 PM UTC
Er, the forward rudder is surviving ok, its the stern rudders and screws I knocked off last weekend when I accidently dropped 234 on the floor
Nearly binned this build then but am now nicely back on track
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Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 - 04:41 AM UTC
Warren ... thank you very much for the concept on my wears!! I love this works.
I like to recreate my ships in operative condition, with the own punishment of a war without respite, where the time and the inputs are not the more adapted for a correct maintenance,
The order was ... that everything working the possible better thing

Julian friend, thank you very much for the shared material .La finalizes photo is very good and shows the wear of the painting. In a type 7 in early times...... great
I cut the base of the engineroom skylights. remember that I need to refresh my engines!!! I attach a fan coler of PC

Did I deal well?? 234 end in the floor?? .......... nooooooo
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Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 - 05:21 AM UTC
Yes, dropped on the floor two rudder and two screws broke off. It's fixed and back on the road again
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Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 - 06:20 PM UTC
Beautiful work here but one should take care in weathering these boats. They were not at sea for extended periods but would typically sortie and be back in port within 24 hours and they were not at sea every day as can be noted if one reads the war diaries of the various boats and flotillas. So there was time to maintain these boats and the supplies to do so were available even up to war's end.

One must remember that the crews lived or died by how well the boat functioned from a training, morale and maintenance standpoint. Weapons systems were not allowed to rust. Boats were pulled from the water at regular intervals to inspect and maintain the wooded hulls. And please do not confuse chipping of camouflage colors as these were not the same type of paints that were used as primary paints for hulls and superstructures.

One thing that often confuses are the photos of surrendered boats that have had items removed or destroyed by crews so that they would be useless to the allies or that the boats were often immediately taken over and many of the items as could be unbolted and removed were so that the s-boot's "secrets" could be learned in short order. Often you would see such things like mine rails littering the decks as a result.

It has been noted that in the intelligence reports still maintained in various archives from those allied officers who evaluated the s-boots at war's end, it was always mentioned that the boats were highly maintained.

Happy modeling,
Mike
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Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 - 07:58 PM UTC

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Beautiful work here but one should take care in weathering these boats. They were not at sea for extended periods but would typically sortie and be back in port within 24 hours and they were not at sea every day as can be noted if one reads the war diaries of the various boats and flotillas. So there was time to maintain these boats and the supplies to do so were available even up to war's end.

One must remember that the crews lived or died by how well the boat functioned from a training, morale and maintenance standpoint. Weapons systems were not allowed to rust. Boats were pulled from the water at regular intervals to inspect and maintain the wooded hulls. And please do not confuse chipping of camouflage colors as these were not the same type of paints that were used as primary paints for hulls and superstructures.

One thing that often confuses are the photos of surrendered boats that have had items removed or destroyed by crews so that they would be useless to the allies or that the boats were often immediately taken over and many of the items as could be unbolted and removed were so that the s-boot's "secrets" could be learned in short order. Often you would see such things like mine rails littering the decks as a result.

It has been noted that in the intelligence reports still maintained in various archives from those allied officers who evaluated the s-boots at war's end, it was always mentioned that the boats were highly maintained.

Happy modeling,
Mike



You are 100% correct Mike. I agree completel;y and that is how I treat weathering any military craft knowing that there are lots of people with very little to do much of the time who can be gainfully employed in leeping the boat/ship looking and functioning at its peak.

And don't forget Mr Sallows, the boats were made of wood so little rust stains around.

Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 - 09:07 PM UTC
Seeing I am so bad at time management that I have almost finished Vospering, I was thinking about some other Channel Adversaries that I could build, and the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau sprang to mind. They were definitely adversaries in the English Channel for about 24 hours and I thought I could build that one after the Graf Spee.. I have the Dragon kit sitting patiently and a Lion Roar PE set and Artwox Wooden Deck.

What do you all think?
Warren
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Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 - 11:47 PM UTC
Please don't forget the corvette that you teased us with
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 04:27 AM UTC
Mike, Warren,
It's rather amusing to see the same comments going by about the state of maintenance of German and British MTB's as the comments I recieved a couple of years ago when I was building my S-100. I have read several books and yes, the German officers treated their commands like private yachts and the British boats looked rather grungy at times. Rust streaks? yes, but not like a steel hull but enough metal parts to impart a rust colour at places. Towards the end of the conflict maintenance improved for the Brits and went downhill for the Hun. Point taken, thanks.
Now to get out my rust tints and go crazy
No seriously, thanks, its familiar terrain,
Julian
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 04:30 AM UTC

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Please don't forget the corvette that you teased us with



Warren, even for your speed of building I think the Scharnhorst, Gneisenau and a corvette will tax your abilities.
I didn't even know the Admiral Graf Spee wnet through the Channel Bolts are underway mate
Julian
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 04:50 AM UTC

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Please don't forget the corvette that you teased us with



Warren, even for your speed of building I think the Scharnhorst, Gneisenau and a corvette will tax your abilities.
I didn't even know the Admiral Graf Spee wnet through the Channel Bolts are underway mate
Julian



My life doesn't totally revolve around Channel ships and boats... yet

Daniel asked mt to do the Graf Spee so I have already started it.

@ Kev, don't worry mate, as soon as the deck fittings set gets here the Corvette will be started. It has been following me all around Australia in the stash since the 1990's waiting for the GLS sets. Hopefully they shouldn't be too much longer getting here. Graf Spee shouldn't take too long, although I am going to Bathurst next week on my annual pilgrimage to the Mount.

Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 06:41 AM UTC
Great builds guys, still following this thread with much interest.

Si
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 02:54 PM UTC
Icreible History ....

http://www.prinzeugen.com/S97.htm


Daniel
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 07:14 PM UTC
Hi Daniel,

Have you seen the restoration of S130

http://www.rovcom.co.uk/s130_restoration_gallery.htm

Enjoy

Kev
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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 01:43 AM UTC
Forgive me Father for I have sinned

http://modelshipwrights.kitmaker.net/forums/212834&page=1#1788097

In the best possible fashion
DanielMoscatelli
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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 04:40 AM UTC

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Hi Daniel,

Have you seen the restoration of S130

http://www.rovcom.co.uk/s130_restoration_gallery.htm

Enjoy

Kev



If my friend Kev ... it is a work of spectacular carpentry. It is a complicated site but patiently it is possible to enjoy the restoration of this beauty.

Thanks
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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 04:42 AM UTC

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Forgive me Father for I have sinned

http://modelshipwrights.kitmaker.net/forums/212834&page=1#1788097

In the best possible fashion



And god helps us!!
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Posted: Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 04:44 PM UTC
New update .......































continuara..... Daniel
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Posted: Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 05:12 PM UTC
Excellent Daniel.
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Posted: Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 06:27 PM UTC
Looking good Daniel