Reading the history of many of the capitol ships regulated my the Washington Naval Treaty, I don't think there wasn't one ship built that wasn't 1,000 tons or more over the limit.
Mark
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d6mst0
#453
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Posted: Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 06:12 AM UTC
Cypryan,
Reading the history of many of the capitol ships regulated my the Washington Naval Treaty, I don't think there wasn't one ship built that wasn't 1,000 tons or more over the limit.
Mark
Reading the history of many of the capitol ships regulated my the Washington Naval Treaty, I don't think there wasn't one ship built that wasn't 1,000 tons or more over the limit.
Mark
d6mst0
#453
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Posted: Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 06:26 AM UTC
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How about a WWII Central Mediterranean campaign?
Action was prolonged and sustained with many battles to choose from. Further, there were many small ships involved: Regia Marina Corvettes, Torpedo Boats, motor gun (MAS) and torpedo boats in particular for the convoy escort scenarios. RN corvettes and USN PCE, SC, PC, PT, etc., for anti-submarine.
A good reference: "Warship Losses of World War Two," David Brown, Naval Institute Press (Maybe out of print?). It not only chronologically lists the actual losses but provides amplifying details about other ships involved in the loss.
You can also find a list of ships lost in WWII on Wikipedia. There are a lot of great suggestions, many, many campaigns, what to do?
How about the Philippine Campaign, 1944-45? Both sides had all their available ships in the Pacific involved, or the Solomon Campaign 1942-45? Lots of ships involved in the Solomon Campaign.
Mark
Littorio
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Posted: Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 03:40 PM UTC
Actual I do have one that qualifies for under 1000ton, the HMS Kittiwake, Kingfisher class coastal sloop 530ton standard or 700ton full load.
SpurnWater71
#504
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Posted: Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 05:35 AM UTC
Great suggestion Luciano,
The 9 kingfisher class sloops were active as escorts. The campaign could also include any of the 13 slightly larger (990 long tons) Grimsby class sloops as well.
Kip
The 9 kingfisher class sloops were active as escorts. The campaign could also include any of the 13 slightly larger (990 long tons) Grimsby class sloops as well.
Kip
Quincannon
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Posted: Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 10:15 AM UTC
After the Japanese left Guadalcanal Mark there was still a lot of naval action in the slot to the north. You are correct that there was a heck of a lot of bitter fighting yet to do. Three of my favorite Fletchers, the first of the class to be lost Strong, DeHaven, and Chevalier. went down in those waters in 43. When the last time you visited a show or web site that featured any of the three?
SpurnWater71
#504
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Posted: Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 12:45 PM UTC
As I contemplate the many good new campaign suggestions everyone has made in this post, I wonder if there is a "common denominator" campaign theme that would be inclusive of as many as possible. It occurred to me that we might run a "David vs. Goliath" campaign. The "Davids" could be anything that flies, "sinks on purpose", or has a standard displacement of ~1000 long tons or less. In the Goliath category, anything north of ~1000 long tons.
Would be open tony model representing a vessel that played either a David or a Goliath role in a historic battle, such PTs, MTBs, MAS against destroyers, cruisers, battleships etc. Corvettes, sloops, SCs against subs. Dive and torpedo bombers and submarines against all surface types. No limit on theater or local.
Might this theme garner more participation? Who would be in?
Would be open tony model representing a vessel that played either a David or a Goliath role in a historic battle, such PTs, MTBs, MAS against destroyers, cruisers, battleships etc. Corvettes, sloops, SCs against subs. Dive and torpedo bombers and submarines against all surface types. No limit on theater or local.
Might this theme garner more participation? Who would be in?
SpurnWater71
#504
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Posted: Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 01:19 PM UTC
Could also have a size ratio criteria to classify Davids and Goliaths, in addition to the ~1000T for the low end.
Kevlar06
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Posted: Monday, September 16, 2019 - 03:45 AM UTC
Beginning in December 2021, the Seattle Museum of Flight's ad hoc Northwest Scale Modelers group will be preparing a "campaign" exhibit entitled "Pearl Harbor" to be presented in the entrance to the "Valor" wing of the Museum. It will include a display in two display cases of all the major combatant ships in 1/700 scale, along with The combatant aircraft in 1/72 scale. This would be a super opportunity to run a similar "tandem" campaign here at Model Shipwrights and over on Aeroscale, commemorating the 80th anniversary of this momentous event that changed the world forever. Such a campaign could kick off in December 2020, and end in December 2021. Just food for thought.
VR, Russ
VR, Russ
SpurnWater71
#504
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Posted: Monday, September 16, 2019 - 12:18 PM UTC
Mark wrote:
Actually, just four BBs violated one of the three naval disarmament treaties. If you want to discuss, lets take it out of this forum to the history forum.
Kip
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Reading the history of many of the capitol ships regulated my the Washington Naval Treaty, I don't think there wasn't one ship built that wasn't 1,000 tons or more over the limit
Actually, just four BBs violated one of the three naval disarmament treaties. If you want to discuss, lets take it out of this forum to the history forum.
Kip
Lakota
#123
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Posted: Monday, September 16, 2019 - 01:17 PM UTC
Howdy Y'all 
I'm in for any of the first 3 proposals mentioned in the first original post. I have a model for any category: LCM, USS Arizona and a LCS.
Take care,
Don "Lakota"
I'm in for any of the first 3 proposals mentioned in the first original post. I have a model for any category: LCM, USS Arizona and a LCS.
Take care,
Don "Lakota"
d6mst0
#453
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - 09:15 AM UTC
Kip,
I didn't know there was a history forum.
Mark
I didn't know there was a history forum.
Mark
SpurnWater71
#504
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - 10:55 AM UTC
Mark,
In the off-topic forum section, there's a "history club" forum.
Kip
In the off-topic forum section, there's a "history club" forum.
Kip
McRunty
#491
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Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 - 07:13 AM UTC
I am sad to see there was no more traction on this. The other sites are brimming with Campaigns.
I will be representing Modelshipwrights in the Navy boys on those Postage Stamps campaign by building up USS Iwo Jima LHD-7. I am also 90% sure I will build a ship for the Trumpeter VI campaign.
I will be representing Modelshipwrights in the Navy boys on those Postage Stamps campaign by building up USS Iwo Jima LHD-7. I am also 90% sure I will build a ship for the Trumpeter VI campaign.
d6mst0
#453
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Posted: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 - 09:58 AM UTC
Rory,
I don't think anyone could make up their mind as to what the campaign should be about. If you have one suggestion put it out and see if there is enough response.
I vote for "under 1,000 tons (wait is that short or long tons?)
Mark
I don't think anyone could make up their mind as to what the campaign should be about. If you have one suggestion put it out and see if there is enough response.
I vote for "under 1,000 tons (wait is that short or long tons?)
Mark
McRunty
#491
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Posted: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 - 02:17 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Rory,
I don't think anyone could make up their mind as to what the campaign should be about. If you have one suggestion put it out and see if there is enough response.
I vote for "under 1,000 tons (wait is that short or long tons?)
Mark
I had 3 ideas which I posted when the topic was first started. I like your "under 1000 tons idea though" I have a corvette which would work.
d6mst0
#453
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Posted: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 - 09:47 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextRory,
I don't think anyone could make up their mind as to what the campaign should be about. If you have one suggestion put it out and see if there is enough response.
I vote for "under 1,000 tons (wait is that short or long tons?)
Mark
I had 3 ideas which I posted when the topic was first started. I like your "under 1000 tons idea though" I have a corvette which would work.
Rory,
I thought that was your idea I was choosing.
Mark
RedDuster
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Posted: Saturday, November 16, 2019 - 07:44 AM UTC
I do like the idea of small ships, might have to buy another Round table class to convert into one of the Danlayers used on D-Day.
Mind Central Med floats my boat tto.
Cheers
Si
Mind Central Med floats my boat tto.
Cheers
Si
Lakota
#123
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Posted: Saturday, November 16, 2019 - 08:57 AM UTC
Thomas,
Would you like to take one of your ideas and officially propose it? Then we could we see if we get ten interested shipwrights to take on their builds.
Take care,
Don "Lakota"
Would you like to take one of your ideas and officially propose it? Then we could we see if we get ten interested shipwrights to take on their builds.
Take care,
Don "Lakota"
Black_sheep
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Posted: Saturday, November 16, 2019 - 09:15 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Thomas,
Would you like to take one of your ideas and officially propose it? Then we could we see if we get ten interested shipwrights to take on their builds.
Take care,
Don "Lakota"
Hi Don, I already wrote an email to modelshipwrights with my proposal for a "below 1.000 tons" campaign. It was said I have to wait for at least two weeks for a reply but until now no response...
I would have quite a few small ships and even submarines which would fit for that task so I would have a lot choice here.
McRunty
#491
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 05:01 AM UTC
I have campaign idea that I think is fairly broad.
How about kits from non-major manufacturers? So no Trumpeter/Dragon/Tamiya/Revel etc.
I am thinking stuff like Gallery/Showcase Models/Starling Models/Ironshipwrights/MikroMir/Mirage etc
Obviously some debate would be needed over what constitutes a major manufacturer. Like would Bronco be one since they make lots of kits but not that many naval kits?
I like this idea since it can encompass any era and puts some of the smaller kit producers in the lime light.
How about kits from non-major manufacturers? So no Trumpeter/Dragon/Tamiya/Revel etc.
I am thinking stuff like Gallery/Showcase Models/Starling Models/Ironshipwrights/MikroMir/Mirage etc
Obviously some debate would be needed over what constitutes a major manufacturer. Like would Bronco be one since they make lots of kits but not that many naval kits?
I like this idea since it can encompass any era and puts some of the smaller kit producers in the lime light.
RedDuster
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 06:16 AM UTC
I like it Rory!
I would include White Ensign, L'Asrenal, ICM do a few subs, so do AFV club, I reckon the best thing to do would be to get consensus on those that count as major manufacturers, and everybody else is in.
Cheers
Si
I would include White Ensign, L'Asrenal, ICM do a few subs, so do AFV club, I reckon the best thing to do would be to get consensus on those that count as major manufacturers, and everybody else is in.
Cheers
Si
Quoted Text
I have campaign idea that I think is fairly broad.
How about kits from non-major manufacturers? So no Trumpeter/Dragon/Tamiya/Revel etc.
I am thinking stuff like Gallery/Showcase Models/Starling Models/Ironshipwrights/MikroMir/Mirage etc
Obviously some debate would be needed over what constitutes a major manufacturer. Like would Bronco be one since they make lots of kits but not that many naval kits?
I like this idea since it can encompass any era and puts some of the smaller kit producers in the lime light.
PasiAhopelto
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 07:45 AM UTC
Sounds good, would be perfect excuse to try a resin ship kit.
d6mst0
#453
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 09:18 AM UTC
Rory,
I am in. I sure I could find something that would qualify.
Mark
I am in. I sure I could find something that would qualify.
Mark
Cosimodo
#335
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 11:39 AM UTC
[quote]I like it Rory!
I would include White Ensign, L'Asrenal, ICM do a few subs, so do AFV club, I reckon the best thing to do would be to get consensus on those that count as major manufacturers, and everybody else is in.
Cheers
Si
[quote]
This would be my take on major ship model manufacturers. Parameters mainly being plastic vs. resin.
Academy
Airfix
Aoshima
Dragon
Fujimi
Hasegawa
Heller
Italeri
Revell
Tamiya
Trumpeter
Zvezda
If this campaign gains traction I would be in with a small Combrig kit - no conflict here
cheers
Michael
I would include White Ensign, L'Asrenal, ICM do a few subs, so do AFV club, I reckon the best thing to do would be to get consensus on those that count as major manufacturers, and everybody else is in.
Cheers
Si
[quote]
This would be my take on major ship model manufacturers. Parameters mainly being plastic vs. resin.
Academy
Airfix
Aoshima
Dragon
Fujimi
Hasegawa
Heller
Italeri
Revell
Tamiya
Trumpeter
Zvezda
If this campaign gains traction I would be in with a small Combrig kit - no conflict here
cheers
Michael
McRunty
#491
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Posted: Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 09:02 AM UTC
Quoted Text
This would be my take on major ship model manufacturers. Parameters mainly being plastic vs. resin.
Academy
Airfix
Aoshima
Dragon
Fujimi
Hasegawa
Heller
Italeri
Revell
Tamiya
Trumpeter
Zvezda
I think these are pretty good parameters. AFV Club is a major kit maker but they have a pretty small catalogue of ships as its not their main focus.
Hobby Boss on the other hand have 41 different ship kits in 1/350 listed on their website so I think that would maybe eliminate them?
Resin kit manufacturers by their nature should be included since for the most part they don't mass produce their kits like the plastic kit makers do.
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