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Tirpitz Aid
VladVolkov
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Lebanon
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Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 01:29 AM UTC
Ahoy modelers.I wish to ask-does anyone know how many rail posts were there on either side of the Tirpitz hull? Its 1/350,so i was thinking that each guardrail post should be about 9mm or 8mm apart. That makes abot 127 posts,is that correct ? If not how many were there, i cant seem to find a single reference pic or diagram that shows it.
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Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 06:56 AM UTC
I take it the reason you are asking this is because you are intending on putting them on your kit. Make it easy on yourself. Get ahold of one of the brass photo etched sets available for the Bismarck/Tirpitz. Gold Medal MOdels, Tom's Modelworks, or White Ensign Models all make highly specialized sets fot your kit. If all you want are railings, check the afore mentioned dealers and Eduard for 350 scale railings. Trust me it's 1000 times easier, more accurate than trying to do it yourself. If you were doing a scratch built 192 scale, that's different, but at 350 these PE sets are the only way to fly. Tom's is generaly the cheapest. Trident Models is a good source to purchase one of these sets from. Also check with Great Models and Roll models to get best price.
warvos
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West-Vlaaderen, Belgium
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Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 07:41 AM UTC
You might also want to check Garry Beebee's beautiful Tirpitz as a reference. Pictures can be found in the warship area, under the "models on display" column.

Good luck


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Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 09:51 AM UTC
Vlad,

You may also wish to check out this site. It may have some photos that can be of some help.

http://www.bismarck-class.dk/tirpitz/tirpitz_menu.html


Steve
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Lebanon
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Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 07:17 PM UTC
Thank you for the advanced answers,but the thing is my model shop has never even heard of those model makers,im in the dark here!!! I mean i had to carve an MG 42 from a spru,because a separate weapond kit wasnt sold.I beg of you tell me how many railings there are on either side of that ship,its a very nice ship,i motorized it and spent about 2 hours stuffing it full of remote controllable stuff scavenged from ny TIKO car.
VladVolkov
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Lebanon
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Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 07:24 PM UTC
Thanks a lot for the link,but ive seen it many times. Ive seen a lot of other sites too,especially about the Wreck of the Bismarck and the Yamato.Thats because i wa thinking of making a diorama of the Yamato breaking apart,and blowing underwater> I thought of mutilating a cheap trident 1/350 kit,at least i think it was trident,and then poring liquid transparent cement all over it in an aquarium and leave lots of debris on the surface and beside thewreck ''underwater''. Now tell me that wasnt a cool idea!
VladVolkov
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Lebanon
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Posted: Sunday, July 24, 2005 - 10:52 PM UTC
I cant shop online ,because my brother holds the credit crd and it doent grant me shopping powers. So back to my original question- how many rail posts were there on that ship?
lordQ
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2005 - 05:08 AM UTC
Poor you, get you're own creditcard or pay in advance.
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2005 - 05:36 AM UTC
Hi Volkov!

First of all welcome to the Warship of Armorama!
Second, please ignore the previous post, since this IS NOT the attitude around here!

I am at work right now, but I'll give you a positive answer tonignt or tomorrow morning.

Please show us some pictures of your Tirpitz

Keep safe,

Skipper
VladVolkov
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Lebanon
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2005 - 05:46 AM UTC
Thanks for the encouragement,im beginning work on the Missouri now but the Tirpitz wa the firstborn,so its on the top of my list. Ill show the pics ASAP i can photo them.
blaster76
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2005 - 06:20 AM UTC
Looking at a piece of brass railing, the spacings are 7mm apart. So start from the front and work back on both main deck sides. You also have railings on several other decks, so I'm sure you are looking at somewhere close to 1,000. You'll have to make these out of very fine width streched sprue to be in scale. I'm sure you are going to put railings between the posts and you'll need two, one for the middle and one at the top The stretched sprue here would have to be super fine about as wide as human hair.. Or you click on that real pretty Trident advertisement in the upper left corner of this armorama display, after the Trident site opens up look in the photo etched category (PE) find Tom's MOdel works, you will discover they have a set for your ship for less than $17. I'm sure you could mail a postal order and have the set mailed to you. That would be my advice, I think you'll end up going blind trying to do it by hand



EDIT: I think my guess of 1,000 is a little high. I have the sister ship Bismarck I'm getting ready to build so I took a measurement. On the maindeck you'll probably need somewhere btwn 225 and 250 total. The second level deck with all its twists and turns maybe 150 or so. Then you have a third level n the rear, about 4 levels in the forecastle around all the upper level platforms so maybe around 700 is a more accurate guess.
VladVolkov
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Lebanon
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2005 - 06:29 AM UTC
Achtung Herr Sturmzkafpfuhrer,i use goggles when modeling on top of my models. And thanks A LOT.
blaster76
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2005 - 06:49 AM UTC
Glad I could help, wish I had some spare railing I could mail to you, but I used it up when I updated my Yamato last December. I use gogles too. Couldn't do this hobby without them.
lordQ
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Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2005 - 06:51 AM UTC
Sorry guys and Vladimir. Wasn't being offencive in my post concerning the creditcard. Wasn't thinking with a clear head

Succes with your project!

Au-revoir. J'ai lit que vous parlez français! Est-que je suis correcte? C'est bien d'avoir des membres bien polyglot sur ce site.

regards, Q
warvos
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2005 - 07:33 AM UTC
Hey guys


Maybe I could be totaly wrong on this one, but I've got an idea which could turn out a cheap solutions instead buying PE:

the gauze which is used as a bugstopper in doors and windows (i can't find the term in english, but i hope you're following me on this one.)
YOu can cut off strips of about 3 rows ( 2 rows metal bars on a real warship rail), then cut off using a fine knive every horizontal row between the lowest vertical lines, leaving two horizontal lines and about 3 vertical pieces per line. it's pretty sturdy plastic, (you probablyl will have to remove a vertical line every two lines to stay in scale, it glues easy and can be painted, and you can still stiffen things up by using small copperwire as reinforcing bars.

Is it me or am I reallly not making any sense here??
:-)
I'll try to find some pic to prove what I mean...


you could also mail the money to the company, by using registred mail, and only using papermoney which is tucked between some carton so it doesn't show it's money. Inform the company that you'll be sending it that way, and I'm sure these guys will not want to ruin their reputation for only a few dollars, so they probably won't play any tricks with you saying they never got it....

just my guess, but that's the way'll be handling my next order ( I refuse to get a creditcard..protecting myself against me...)
95bravo
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2005 - 08:03 AM UTC
In english...it's called screen mesh.

If you can get your hands on the metal screen (we call it hail screen here) it works really well. It's not woven like a lot of the screen you find these days.....works pretty spiffy for barbed wire as well...It'll even poke a hole in you. :-) :-)
VladVolkov
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Lebanon
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2005 - 08:20 AM UTC
Bolshoe spasibo vam rebiata, that means thanks a lot muchachos!
VladVolkov
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Lebanon
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Posted: Monday, July 25, 2005 - 05:24 PM UTC
Ulrich,im always interested in listening to accounts from wartime veterans,please share some of them with the rest of us.
blaster76
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Posted: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 06:06 AM UTC
I hve had the priveledge of meeting and taking with a Luftwaffe pilot who flew and obviuously survivd the entire war. He flew bombers mainly but ended up flyig the ME 262 in the end, I have also talked with old tank guys who came up during one of our maneuvers and because I was a fellow tanker told me stories. I was agog. He had commanded a platoon of Jagdpanthers in 44 at Normandy first time I ever met a German who said he fought the Americans. Also met a guy who was a crewman on a U-boat. I got to sit at the "Stammtisch" to hear his tales. Believe me, finding a living U-Bootman is the rarest find of all. I have met and talked with UWE Fiest, and the pilot of the P-51 Detroit Miss. From him I was abe to verify that he flew over Normandy, so in my depiction of his aircraft (the venerable Monogram it) I put full invsion stripes on it. I have also talked with one of the men who liberated Dachau and for the firsttime ever got him to talk about what he saw. His son who was my best friend was stunned as his dad never would tak about the war and what he had seen and done.

I guess the bottom line of this dissertation is...yes by all means get your great uncle to share with us his experiences. He will find us a most rapt and eager audience
VladVolkov
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Lebanon
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Posted: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 08:31 AM UTC
Well, both my great uncles are dead fighting the Germans, my grandfather Alexei Gregorievich Volkov, who died in december 2000 was a med officer , my grandmother Nina Sorokina was a nurse, my grandfathers brother Sergei died early in the war , burned on his BT-5, and the second,Andrei fought at Kursk on a T-34/76, also dead, date unknown. I have some pics of my g-uncle Sergei on his tank, it didnt have any markings, except for writings on both sides which were "Death to the Fascists" and " For the Motherland". The pics were black/white, but i enhanced them and after color was revealed, i noticed that his uniform was flat black, he had a brownish, leather belt and the tank was an unusually light green, kind of like lettuce. All photos of my other uncle were lost. My grandfather still kept his uniform with boots and was buried in it. His wartime medals, about 20 of them were stolen from our Moscow home after some %$#@#$%#@$%% broke in. I remember he 2 red stars, a couple of medals depicting a large 2 turreted tank. He had the red star, many stripes and many medals on banners, ill show them later on some site. he also had a very rare medal of Marines, he served on the Manchuria, Siberia, Stalingrad and the South theater. I still have his TT sidearm in excellent condition and a trophy Luger. I vividly remember that he had about 15 trophy medals from Germans whom he treated but didnt make it. Back when i saw them i didnt know what they were, but now i can remember they were Iron Cross 2nd and 1st class, wound Badges, Tank killer stripes, and something else i cant make out. As much as the Germans caused my family and our people, i know German gut, i can speak it , i have a german girlfriend, Alice Bormann and i adore the German race for its dignity, it is the future.
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