Same here,

Have been looking for something different and ran accross these U-Boats. About those innacuracies, is a list published anywhere, or a review, and (hopefully small) how major is the fix? I also was looking for PE and add -ons any thing on those? I noticed the item about the AA.

Thanks,
Bob

Hey guys, Revell's original offering is the Type VIIC, the workhorse of the uboat fleet. The Atlantic version is a Type VIIC/41 who's main difference was the extended wintergarten and improved flak capabilities.
Here's a blurb from uboat.net...

"Type VIIC/41 was a slightly modified version of the successful VIIC and had basically the same engine layout and power. Armament was the same with 5 torpedo tubes (4 at the bow and one at the stern). The biggest difference was that these boats had a stronger pressure hull giving them more depth to evade attack under (operational 120m and crush depth at 250m against VIIC's 100/200). They also had lighter machinery to compensate for the added steel in the hull making them actually slightly lighter than the VIIC. All the type VIIC/41 boats from U-1271 onwards had the mine fittings deleted."

Kenny

Visually, the kits are quite different. I've built the original and the only comment I'll make is that I wish I had gone OOB on it. I cut and drilled for two weeks and installed metal decks. While in the summer they look great, in the winter the metal contracts at a different rate than the plastic causing bulge ups....but that is another story. The second kit ( C-41) features the extended tower with what was called the Winter garden. If you have the room and the money buy one of each and You will have two great representations of a truely marvelous war ship. Now if they will just issue a Type IXc. Or a VIIc in 350 scale............................. sigh

So there is no must have PE or after market set except the AA?

Looks like they are $69 apiece and $5 for the AA, not real bad when you consider I've already put in $124 into 1 tank. These things sneak up on you. Haven't finished putting together a ship since 80 something, Titanic I think it was.

If you have anymore suggestions please let us know, now I'm off to SWMBO, got to practice my begging technique. :-)

Thanks Guys,
Bob

QUOTE: "So there is no must have PE or after market set except the AA?"

I'd say the VIIC/41 would definitely benefit from the U-Brass PE set - Dougie Martindale and I have released a set for the VIIC and /41 - accurate floods set, with some other goodies, including tensioners and turnbuckles, exhaust ports and more.

Of course we're abit biased, but...

More info at: http://www.rocketcopy.biz/models/rokket/uboat/ubrass.shtml

The first production run has sold out, but we're taking pre-orders for the next run.

Hi everybody,

discuss the VII C / VII C/41 problem with some folks (hi rokket, sorry if this seems familiar to You) for a while now:

U 377 is a fairly well photographic documented type VII C. After her major refit she had a second wintergarden with 2cm flakvierling (o.k., we have several kits of these to use, for example schatton modellbau with beautiful etched barrels), the semicircular simple FuMo shaft and the two panzerkästen (or panzerschränke which means "safe"). These were armoured shacks for 5 sailors on the starboard side and 1 on the other.

U 333 at least in November '43 seems to be the same although there's no exact view of the FuMo- situation. I think that after her 2 month refit end of '43 they dismantled the panzerkästen and installed the large rectangular FuMo shaft. Don't have information if U333 had the large FuMo shaft AND the panzerkästen at any time of her career. Building U 333 for me there is only panzerkästen OR large FuMo shaft.
there are VII Cs documented with panzerkästen AND large FuMo shaft, like U 744, haven't looked in the lists so far wether its a VII C or VII C/ 41 , though.

now I have a problem: one 1/72 VII C already in the last stages of construction with the central air duct ( I quit calling it a VII B, maybe its an early VII C ; )
one VII C kit, one VII C/41 and hopefully a VII C hull coming from revell germany. don't now what to do with the VII C/41 hull anyway. Sounds like serious kitbashing


excuses for my english

Regarding photo etched sets:

I would definetly commend the eduards sets from czech rep., http://eduard.rvsnet.cz/

and that CMK set, http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=CMKN7204

because here You get the pedestrals or periskope- bases in beautiful detail and the right HEIGHT!!!

U-brass is very good to get the right flood hole patterns and exhausts for Your boat.

Man this is worse than some of the Sherman varaitions.

After looking through these posts and reading up on some of the items I have a few questions,

1. Does VII kits fit the VIIC and VIIC/41 kits?
2. How well are the interior kits for these models?
3. Is it worth getting the deck replacement PE set for the smaller sections on the tower?
4. Is there a scale torpedo kit for these models?
5. On the UBrass PE Set, will 1 set cover both kits or will I need to buy 2?

Thanks again everyone,
Bob

hello,

regarding the tower (or sail for You americans) You'll need the PE compasses and engine repeater dials. Not very many parts indeed. The rest You'll need to update is easy to be made by yourself: braces, railings and such. If you like You can add some fancy stuff like radar arrays from nautilus or wem.

the main difference in the PE eduard sets is the weaponry.I don't think its nessecary to replace all the hatches or the wooden plates at the tower inner sides (except You want a special boot with a distinctive pattern).
So I would recommend using the exact PE sets for the VII C and VII C/41 from eduard, both of them I'm afraid. take a look at their instructions on their internet page, I think Hannants has a link to these as well.

You' ll need the CMK set 2 times, so far I haven't seen a convincing way to get the periscope-bases in the correct height, except You turn them from brass yourself.

the aftermarked deck replacement aren't a absolute must, maybe You drill out the revell VII C-deck and the hull floodholes (just some basic pressure hull details are to be build then )

speaking of floodholes: if You use the U-brass set mainly for its templates, one will be enough. but if you use its bow insert You'll need 2.