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"Divine Waterline"
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2009 - 05:43 PM UTC

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Technically, this would disqualify the ship as the campaign started today, and so should the construction, my friend...BUT, this campaign is being led by our mate Mr. Frank Portela, and he should have the final say in the matter, since he is the campaign leader on this one...lets wait and see what he has to say about it, Jim....

~Gunny



I'm afraid that I'm disqualified too, since I started building my models since I signed in and now they are in different stages of completion. This is my first campaign. I'm terribly sorry, and I know that somewhere there should be some rules that I did'nt read in detail....Sorry, for all the effort and time-not only building the models but photo-documenting the progress-has been in vain....I probably spent more time dealing with the (divine) water effects than building the models....

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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 12:40 AM UTC
I have been experimenting with bullet splaches, the particular bout I am inspired by, was sunk by gunfire from Mosquitos - so I have been trying to create a collum of water using a toothpick painted white with som glued on cotton and a layer of clear acryllig gel.

The piece is not glued on, but the plan is to use gel to blend it in and some whitecoloured gel to create the foam around the hit - naturally more collums will be made to form a row of hits across the diorame - will it work ?




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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 05:47 AM UTC
Gentlemen!
Long time no see.
For small update on my situation: I have finished the move and have about 90% of the apartment done. Bits and pieces will take at least another 3-4months, but it’s time for some hobby time. No new job so far, but still easy at heart. I have started today to get the basement ready to house my new workshop and it's going to take a while to get it ready for some action. Then of cause the old Leipzig project will have to be rekindled first.
Anyway, I have signed up to this campaign and want to make good on my participation. It’ll be a good starting exercise before returning to the big piece.
I am blown away by Jan's input, who seemingly want's to cross the finishing line first. Bravo Zulu!
Since everybody is getting started by telling their idea, I’ll post a picture of the general idea of my contending piece so nobody else will snatch the topic.
My scene will be 1/700 full scratch build with a base size approximately 3x3 inch.
And that’s the idea:



I hope you like the idea and I seriously hope I can make it work.

Cheers,
Guido
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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 07:16 AM UTC
Now thats looks interesting Guido - will it feature the fishing wessel or will it be a warship ?

Cheers/Jan
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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2009 - 08:54 AM UTC
I'll be scratchbuilding the fisherman as can be seen on the poster.
The movie "The perfect Storm" is made after a real life event. It's an intriguing story and an impressive special effect movie.
Of cause my little diorama will be called "The perfect Storm".
Guido
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Posted: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 05:40 AM UTC
Welcome back, Guido!

The Perfect Storm motif will be most interesting. There is a life-sized diorama of a US Coast Guard rescue in very heavy seas in a museum in Astoria, Oregon. Some pics should be on the internet.

I'm also pondering a storm scene--perhaps the USS Tabberer rescuing Spence survivors during Typhoon Cobra in December 1944?

BTW, has Rui Matos returned to us?

--Karl
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Posted: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 05:46 AM UTC

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I have been experimenting with bullet splaches, the particular bout I am inspired by, was sunk by gunfire from Mosquitos - so I have been trying to create a collum of water using a toothpick painted white with som glued on cotton and a layer of clear acryllig gel.

The piece is not glued on, but the plan is to use gel to blend it in and some whitecoloured gel to create the foam around the hit - naturally more collums will be made to form a row of hits across the diorame - will it work ?



My inaugural entry for this campaign will also face up to violent water effects, so it will interesting to compare the results.

--Karl
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Posted: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 07:16 AM UTC
I have a question. Between the subs in my dio, would there be any bumpers? Also would there be a walk way between each sub?

Guido,
That will be a very interesting build. Looking forward to seeing thaone!

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Posted: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 07:40 AM UTC

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I have a question. Between the subs in my dio, would there be any bumpers? Also would there be a walk way between each sub?




Hi Jim!

Looking over photos of sub nests from the two World Wars, it appears that fenders were used infrequently, but when they were, all you would see is the line attached to the fender draped over the pressure hull and disappearing into the waterline since the ballast tanks reached their extremities so far below the surface.

--Karl
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 - 07:51 AM UTC

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I have been experimenting with bullet splaches, the particular bout I am inspired by, was sunk by gunfire from Mosquitos - so I have been trying to create a collum of water using a toothpick painted white with som glued on cotton and a layer of clear acryllig gel.

The piece is not glued on, but the plan is to use gel to blend it in and some whitecoloured gel to create the foam around the hit - naturally more collums will be made to form a row of hits across the diorame - will it work ?



Hey Jan, I did something similar here.
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Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 09:25 PM UTC
Uuhm... did you realize that the headline of the campaign is gone? (at least I can't see it)

Gentlemen –

So how do we do this? This is my first campaign participation, so I am not quite certain what to do. Do we have to open a blog for our projects, or do we dump our entire BS here?
I reckon from Jan’s contribution, that the latter is the method of choice.
Secondly, should we – according to the subject – limit our contribution to the build up of the water, or is a detailed build up documentation for the vessel encouraged, as well?
As you know I tend to post somewhat lengthy reports, which might take the subject a bit too much for the main thread. So please let me know …

Meanwhile I will start to harass you with the whole she-bang anyway!

Since my last post, I spend some time researching the subject. Of cause the real Andrea Gail went down in the storm in 1991, and the boat in the movie was just a representation. Originally I was aiming at building the real Andrea Gail, so I tried find reference on the net. An evening’s research result presented me with only 2 pictures of the real AG. I was quite obvious that the real AG in her final configuration was completely different from the ship seen in the movie. The type of ship is not uncommon at all, but the AG was heavily modified by her owner. The available information presented me with too little reference to go for the real deal. So I decided to go along the lines of the movie vessel. Her real name is “Lady Grace”. Google her and the AG and you’ll come up with a whole set of good photos and reference, especially if you follow the links to other forum, which in turn, will lead you to private photo collections. Having such information aplenty, I started a worksheet to note down the dimensions and the relevant scale conversions




Pretty soon it became evident that 700th would be too small for my taste so I switched to 350th.

With the main measurements at hand I went to make a sheet “sandwich” representing the main 2 decks: focsle and weather deck. I took a scan of my overhead layout sketch, printed it on a regular sticker, which was then applied to the sandwich.



The rough shape was sanded down with a disk sander.



The shaping took me about 2 hours with a good set of sanding sticks and a smooth-over with a 3M wet-sanding pad.





I am quite satisfied with the result of my first ever scratch-built hull so far. Next I’ll have to fill the tiny gaps between the sandwich layers with putty and smooth it over again.

Wow! It sure feels good to be back in the hobby again and I think I’ve had a pretty good start.

TBC…

Cheers,
Guido

PS.: … Oh, yeah! Please somebody advice me on the procedures of campaign-writing!
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Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 11:15 PM UTC
Ahoy Guido!
I'll do my best to help you out here, my friend...


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Do we have to open a blog for my project, or do we dump our entire BS here?
I reckon from Jan’s contribution, that the latter is the method of choice.


Honestly Guido, the choice is all yours, but I personally like to see all campaign entrants under one thread...mainly because it helps to grow camaraderie within the campaign, (which is an important part of every MSW campaign), and lets each entrant follow everyone's build much easier...like hanging out at the coffee machine at the office, know what I mean?


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Secondly, should we – according to the subject – limit our contribution to the build up of the water, or is a detailed build up documentation for the vessel encouraged, as well?
As you know I tend to post somewhat lengthy reports, which might take the subject a bit to far for the main thread. So please let me know …



Details. details, we all LOVE details mate! Length of threads is no issue, Guido, remember Mr. Fulgoney's thread reports on how he make's his water bases during the Community Build? I actually had enough information from his threads to form a full feature article, so please, type away! This subject would make a PERFECT build feature for us all...


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Wow! It sure feels good to be back in the hobby again and I think I’ve had a pretty good start.



Good to see you back, Guido...
This build of yours will captivate me, as "The Perfect Storm" is one of my all-time favorite maritime stories, I love fishing boats, and I can't WAIT to see how you conquer the water effects!


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PS.: … Oh, yeah! Please somebody advice me on the procedures of campaign-writing!



Really simple, my friend...check out the Campaign Guidelines here, and when you're ready to submit the idea, visit here to submit the details to me...it's always helpful to use the campaigns that are running as a reference, also, as always, if you need help, just holler!

Cheers,
~Gunny
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Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 11:26 PM UTC
Yes, welcome back, Guido! A very eyecatching project you've chosen for yourself - great!

And,

RUI! WHERE ARE YOU!!

And so, I notice I've signed up for this one as well. A bit of thought needed here - I can see a submarine - underwater (of course) - lets go buy some silicone!

Peter F
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Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 11:34 PM UTC
Guido - you are in for a great start - both on your build and on the content and size of your post !

So just keep it comming!

Peter - interesting - what scale are you aiming at ?

My build have been seriously sidetracked by a small midget sub - but I plan on being back on track in a week or 2.

Cheers/Jan
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Posted: Friday, September 25, 2009 - 12:52 AM UTC
divine waterline = divine scale QED

1:700, Jan.

Cheers,

Peter F
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Posted: Friday, September 25, 2009 - 01:06 AM UTC
Good to see folks getting work done on thier projects. My modeling room is undergoing some major modifications, so wokr has halted until it is done.

Guido your Andrea Gail is looking good.

Peter, looking forward to what ever you bring to the table.

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Posted: Saturday, September 26, 2009 - 07:41 PM UTC
Gentlemen –

Thank you for your advices. So I’ll stick to posting everything here, but please don’t say I didn’t warn ye!

Since the AG will be placed in a seabed, I don’t have to worry about the lower hull features.
To get an even surface I glued a piece of sheet to the bulkhead and applied a GMM WT Door to get a sense of scale. In a next step I scribed an uneven pattern of steel deck panels onto the weather deck (made visible with pencil dust for you) and cut the fishing net chute into the stern. Then the chute is covered up at the deck again, as it is not in used on those swordfish boats.



Next would be the bumper guards around the hull. The sandwich structure of the hull provides me with a good guiding line for the lower bumper guard. I attach a .5 mm round strip from Lion Roar on the stern and let the glue cure thoroughly.



While the glue cures, I start the upper deck construction. I had trace the focsle shape onto a piece of paper, which I scanned and scaled down until the shape was just a bit smaller (about .05mm along the leading edges) than the actual focsle of the hull. This deck shape was extended by the overhanging part into back. Again I printed the shape onto a paper sticker, applied it to styrene sheet, cut it out, and smoothed the edges over.



Oops! Sorry for being out of focus on this one.
Now the fist portion of the bumper guard has dried, so the balance portion can be fixed. Even though this lower bumper guard does not extend fully around the hull on the original vessel I still make it like this here first. It will be cut to proper length later.
Curing time again and I turn back to the upper deck. The cut-out for the access ladder and the various drilling spots are marked down same as the basic shape and positioning stubs of the wheel house are put in place. Support struts according to the reference at hand are being put in place underneath the deck overhang.



While the starboard bumper guard is being glued on, I use the time to get some detail onto bulkhead. Bit and pieces are being taken mostly from Lion Roar 1/700 PE sets.



See George Clooney visiting the construction site?

With all this done I glue the upper deck in place. You remember I made he deck a tad bit smaller than the actual focsle deck? The reason being that it creates a perfect little ledge for positioning the focsle’s bulwark. Of cause it is necessary to keep the styrene strip in place using masking tape until the glue has fully dried.



As hardly anything is perfect, there is a gap and a ledge that needs filling around the bulwark-deck seam. I apply Tamiya putty liberally.




This’ll need curing until the morning, so I close for the night!
I hope you like the report. Of cause I’ll be happy to answer to questions and comments.

Cheers,
Guido



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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 04:05 AM UTC
Awesome work Guido!
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 06:56 AM UTC
Guido,
Absolutely Outstanding !!! As a devotee of both the "Dangerous catch" and the new "Swords: Life on the line", I love the idea of scratchbuilding 1/700 fishing boats and rescues. So the big question is, has anyone seen or found any plans for various fishing boats ? This could really be interesting ! TIA, Gang.................Bruce
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Posted: Monday, September 28, 2009 - 01:47 AM UTC
Dangerous catch is great!
I used to be a fish farmer, I did that job 10 years ...but those guys make us look like vacuum cleaner salesmen!...brings back good/bad memories for me ...
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Posted: Monday, September 28, 2009 - 07:20 AM UTC

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Guido,
Absolutely Outstanding !!! As a devotee of both the "Dangerous catch" and the new "Swords: Life on the line", I love the idea of scratchbuilding 1/700 fishing boats and rescues. So the big question is, has anyone seen or found any plans for various fishing boats ? This could really be interesting ! TIA, Gang.................Bruce



Hi, Bruce!
I agree there are a lot of subjects out there waiting for the small scale modeller. However, I do not really know about plans for those small working boats. What I do is to take the basic mesurement and then observe closely, what the pictures tell me. Of cause there is (and will be) artistic license.
I am usually a "big gun" guy, with a minimal liking for carriers, but there are quite few attractive choices without military application. Of cause Coast Guard stuff is a bit harder to do, but chances are that you can get plans or even kits of these. Pitroad makes very sexy Japanese cost guard and fishing control and protection vessels.
In any case I'd talk to Harry of Battlefleet: He the one to make such wishes for small commercial vessels come true!
On the other hand: scratchbuilding isn't that hard to do, just allow yourself the time to do things. Maybe you should get yourself some sheet any follow my lead. (Please remember this is 350th, though!) Or use the next trip to a commercial harbour to pick a vessel of you liking take 300 photo and scratch away!
Have fun!
Guido
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Posted: Monday, September 28, 2009 - 05:50 PM UTC
Guido,
I definitely agree with you about scratchbuilding in 1/700 or 1/350. I have completed a few. I think the thing that really amazes me is the general lack of plans for Commercial fishing boats. (Almost as though the builders want to keep it "Secret Stuff" ) Oh well, I'll keep digging. But this is an area of our hobby that is sorely neglected IMO. Take it easy............. Bruce
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Posted: Monday, September 28, 2009 - 06:40 PM UTC
Bruce -
Do you have your boats on display somewhere? I'd be interested to see, what you've been doing!
Guido
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Posted: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 02:51 AM UTC
Guido,
Yeah, I have several photos throughout some of our previous builds. Attached you will hopefully see my 1/144th scale scratchbuilt PBR diorama. While it may not be the best, it really was a lot of fun. Take it easy.............Bruce

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Posted: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 04:00 AM UTC
Bruce,

That little dio is very nice. Is it all scratch built?

Jim