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Riggin'...online booklet
dolly15

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Posted: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 07:16 AM UTC
In my opinion,HMS Victory,by Noel CL Hackney is the best by far as a guide to the step by step rigging of this ship and other English ships-of-the-line.It was written by a modeler for other modelers .I have all the other books on modeling Victory but this little book, that I paid $1.98 for new in a hobby store 35 years ago ,is the best.Unfortunately they now only come up on the secondary market and only occasionally and they want up to $150.00 bucks for it.There are only 7 libraries in the world that stock it and there was only one printing made in the English language in 1970,the others are in German.If anyone knows how to put a little pressure on the owners of the rights to this book,please do so. Mr Hackney was foremost a modeler and he went to a lot of effort to make sure this information was available to modelers.I am sure that he would be very unhappy today to see the price that modelers have to pay and to whom the money is going.I am sure that in his lifetime it wasn't him.
Check it out on the web ISBN 0 85059 053 1.
I personally used his book over a 30 year period when building my own Victory and I don't think that I would have finished it as easily or as accurately as I did without it.It is a real shame that it will not be available to future modelers.And no I am not selling mine.Thanks Noel!
dolly15

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Posted: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 07:23 AM UTC

Please note: the decision to use harbour,furled or full sail rig has to be made very early in the process .I plan to discuss some of the full sail rigging options later.
dolly15

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Posted: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 07:31 AM UTC

dolly15

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Posted: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 07:33 AM UTC
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dolly15

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Posted: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 07:37 AM UTC
Please feel free to post questions or comments to this thread at any time.The booklet pages will all be numbered.
dolly15

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Posted: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 09:38 AM UTC

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dolly15

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Posted: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 04:10 AM UTC

dolly15

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Posted: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 04:20 AM UTC
This is the best pic that I can come up with right now.I took the pic years ago before I was ever contemplating a step-by-step. I will try to get a take a better pic and post it.Too bad this build was done before the digital camera era .I didn't take many pics except of the finished model with my old camera as it was such a hassle then and way too expensive.
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dolly15

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Posted: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 04:46 AM UTC
Here is a better pic that I just took a few minutes ago but it still doesn't show the pendants.
Please note: that this is a real time build booklet so if you would like me to take a pic of a specific area that we are dealing with at the time,just ask.
Please note: that this is a real time build booklet so if you would like me to take a pic of a specific area that we are dealing with at the time,just ask.
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dolly15

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Posted: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 - 01:10 PM UTC

dolly15

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Posted: Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 01:49 AM UTC
Re: Riggin'...Online Booklet
Revised format
One of the problems in doing a real time online information booklet is that you kind to have to learn as you go along.I didn't like the format up until now as it is too confusing.If this is going to be a step by step method the following format should better reflect what I am trying to do here.
STEP 3-Bobstays
Longridge-Text page 226,Plan 6.
Hackney-Text page 61,figure 13.
Three bobstays are fitted between the head and the bowsprit.They are of 8" rope each one doubled and rigged by hearts and lanyards.The hearts are 14" long and the lanyards are of 4" rope.Two hearts are required for each bobstay.
Note: I will revise steps 1 and 2 to conform to this new format.Thank you for your patience.
Revised format
One of the problems in doing a real time online information booklet is that you kind to have to learn as you go along.I didn't like the format up until now as it is too confusing.If this is going to be a step by step method the following format should better reflect what I am trying to do here.
STEP 3-Bobstays
Longridge-Text page 226,Plan 6.
Hackney-Text page 61,figure 13.
Three bobstays are fitted between the head and the bowsprit.They are of 8" rope each one doubled and rigged by hearts and lanyards.The hearts are 14" long and the lanyards are of 4" rope.Two hearts are required for each bobstay.
Note: I will revise steps 1 and 2 to conform to this new format.Thank you for your patience.
dolly15

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Posted: Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 01:53 AM UTC
Each step will be followed by a picture from my model if I have access to it.That unfortunately is the limitations in working with an already completed model sitting in a case.In most cases Longridge and Hackney cover all the details with their plans,figures,and text. The pictures are there to give you an idea of how it looks when finished.
dolly15

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Posted: Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 03:17 AM UTC

dolly15

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Posted: Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 08:15 AM UTC

dolly15

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Posted: Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 11:37 AM UTC
Step 1-Pendants
Longridge -Text P228, Plan # 8
Hackney-Text P61,# Fig 20
The first item of rigging to go on the lower masts are the pendants,each consisting of a length of rope with an eye in the end.On both fore and main masts there are two of them each of 11" rope(TPI).On the mizzen there is but a single one of only 5" (TPI)The starboard side is put on first with the aft leg of each pair hanging lower than the other.These pendants come down to roughly the third mastband below the cheeks.The single pair on the mizzen are single spliced instead of using seizings.
Longridge -Text P228, Plan # 8
Hackney-Text P61,# Fig 20
The first item of rigging to go on the lower masts are the pendants,each consisting of a length of rope with an eye in the end.On both fore and main masts there are two of them each of 11" rope(TPI).On the mizzen there is but a single one of only 5" (TPI)The starboard side is put on first with the aft leg of each pair hanging lower than the other.These pendants come down to roughly the third mastband below the cheeks.The single pair on the mizzen are single spliced instead of using seizings.
dolly15

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Posted: Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 12:22 PM UTC
Step 2-Foremast shrouds.
Longridge P219-33 plan#8
Hackney P61 Fig 36
Note: there is a definite sequence for rigging the shrouds.
Longridge P219-33 plan#8
Hackney P61 Fig 36
Note: there is a definite sequence for rigging the shrouds.
dolly15

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Posted: Friday, November 27, 2009 - 03:06 AM UTC
Please note:
If I have time and live long enough,I plan to expand upon each step in the future( based upon Hackneys book.)
If I have time and live long enough,I plan to expand upon each step in the future( based upon Hackneys book.)
dolly15

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Posted: Friday, November 27, 2009 - 03:25 AM UTC

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