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How about a MSW Build Contest II?
warreni
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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 08:30 AM UTC
As a staffer here and at Aeroscale am I allowed to participate?
Kevin_H
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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 09:15 AM UTC
Count me IN for OBB
goldenpony
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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 10:34 AM UTC
Quoted Text
As a staffer here and at Aeroscale am I allowed to participate?
Yes, I believe we allow other staff members from different areas to take part.
warreni
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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 11:39 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextAs a staffer here and at Aeroscale am I allowed to participate?
Yes, I believe we allow other staff members from different areas to take part.
As Montgomery Burns would say, "Excellent.."
One thing though, If I build the Trumpeter Dreadnought, it comes with PE including railings.. How will that work?
goldenpony
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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 11:45 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted TextAs a staffer here and at Aeroscale am I allowed to participate?
Yes, I believe we allow other staff members from different areas to take part.
As Montgomery Burns would say, "Excellent.."
One thing though, If I build the Trumpeter Dreadnought, it comes with PE including railings.. How will that work?
Since many of the newer kits come with some PE, I am guessing it would be fine to use that. Besides when you post pictures of the kit it will show the PE came with the kit.
JMartine
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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 01:01 PM UTC
enlisted! look forward to the build and to getting back to my bench! will have to figure out what to build down the road...
suggestion: maybe rails or PE with kit (ie Smart Kits) should be considered OOB?
I can add a naval-related book to the prize stash.
Cheers all
GO BARCA!
suggestion: maybe rails or PE with kit (ie Smart Kits) should be considered OOB?
I can add a naval-related book to the prize stash.
Cheers all
GO BARCA!
Dangeroo
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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 07:02 PM UTC
Signed up!
Still undecided what I will build. Time will tell... Should get a delivery of Battleships soon, maybe I'll make this my first 1/700 build...
I would prefer a long build time, veeeery slow builder, this one here...
Cheers!
Stefan
Still undecided what I will build. Time will tell... Should get a delivery of Battleships soon, maybe I'll make this my first 1/700 build...
I would prefer a long build time, veeeery slow builder, this one here...
Cheers!
Stefan
Tailor
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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 07:21 PM UTC
Gentlemen,
I think we do need some kind of a vote here on OOB and Full Build definitions.
We need to avoid that money may decide about the final outcome of the competition in the OOP category. Example: The Academy 1/350 Perry Class is available as a standart plastic kit and a Premium Edition, which holds railings and all kinds of other PE and even wood decks. I think that they can't both enter the OOB category. That would be bad form. Same goes for the Academy Warspite and Graf Spee.
IMHO, in keeping "the good intentions" of the competition regulation we should define as follows:
A model shall be considered OOB, if the kit holds parts in plastic AND alternative PE for one and the same item. If provided, stand-alone photo etch parts such as railings (without the option to place included plastic parts instead) shall automatically put the model into the Full Build category.
Futher we need to define a start date and a duration outline. So please everyone take the time to copy, paste, and reply to the following:
A. OOB definition as stated above: Yeah/Nay
B. Strating date: November'13/December'13/January'14 (Fixing the subject one month earlier, as per regulation)
C. Duration: 6/8/10/12 months
Nice to have aboard, Kevin!
Full builds:
01. Tailor
02. JMartine
03. Fordboy
04. Dangeroo
05. Beefy66
06. AussieReg
07. warreni
08. Grauwolf
09. TRM5150
10. RedDuster
OOB:
01. McLeod
02. Kevin_H.
Cheers,
Guido
I think we do need some kind of a vote here on OOB and Full Build definitions.
We need to avoid that money may decide about the final outcome of the competition in the OOP category. Example: The Academy 1/350 Perry Class is available as a standart plastic kit and a Premium Edition, which holds railings and all kinds of other PE and even wood decks. I think that they can't both enter the OOB category. That would be bad form. Same goes for the Academy Warspite and Graf Spee.
IMHO, in keeping "the good intentions" of the competition regulation we should define as follows:
A model shall be considered OOB, if the kit holds parts in plastic AND alternative PE for one and the same item. If provided, stand-alone photo etch parts such as railings (without the option to place included plastic parts instead) shall automatically put the model into the Full Build category.
Futher we need to define a start date and a duration outline. So please everyone take the time to copy, paste, and reply to the following:
A. OOB definition as stated above: Yeah/Nay
B. Strating date: November'13/December'13/January'14 (Fixing the subject one month earlier, as per regulation)
C. Duration: 6/8/10/12 months
Nice to have aboard, Kevin!
Full builds:
01. Tailor
02. JMartine
03. Fordboy
04. Dangeroo
05. Beefy66
06. AussieReg
07. warreni
08. Grauwolf
09. TRM5150
10. RedDuster
OOB:
01. McLeod
02. Kevin_H.
Cheers,
Guido
warreni
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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 07:45 PM UTC
Sorry but I don't agree there. If the kit comes with PE railings in the box then they should be used and the kit still considered OOB. Judges just take into consideration the fact that the kit came with the PE.
It is not about the PE but the finishing of the model that should be very important, and not allowing weathering to cover up defects in the build.
Cheers
Warren
It is not about the PE but the finishing of the model that should be very important, and not allowing weathering to cover up defects in the build.
Cheers
Warren
Tailor
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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 07:59 PM UTC
... so if the sealed box holds PE, wood deck, gun barrels, anchor chain, and what not not, it should be in the same category as a 1975 Airfix 1/600 Bismarck?
I don't know, if that is within the spirit of the OOB category...
However, let's have a look, what everybody else says!
I don't know, if that is within the spirit of the OOB category...
However, let's have a look, what everybody else says!
warreni
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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 08:31 PM UTC
But it is still OOB, I have a 1/600 Airfix Moskva and I know how basic they are. But I also have Trumpeter Warspite 1907 and it has all the bells and whistles PE wise, but no brass barrels.
Maybe you shpuld rename the categories no-PE and PE..
Maybe you shpuld rename the categories no-PE and PE..
Tailor
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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 08:51 PM UTC
Maybe we should indeed rename the categories, if that does the trick. When we had the first Build Contest five years ago there were just no such Premium Editions around. OOB was by nature just a regular palstic kit at the time.
Of cause a term such as "OOB" can be defined by rules, even though the true sense of the word may differ from that particular definition.
I guess that a 1/600 Airfix Moskva has a good chance to win against an up to date Trumpy Warspite, because of the fact that the craftsmanship it takes to make a decent model out of that Airfix kit is of much higher quality. Of cause the contestant needs to make it visible to good effect to the judges in his monthly update.
Any opinion on duration and starting date, Warren?
Guido
Of cause a term such as "OOB" can be defined by rules, even though the true sense of the word may differ from that particular definition.
I guess that a 1/600 Airfix Moskva has a good chance to win against an up to date Trumpy Warspite, because of the fact that the craftsmanship it takes to make a decent model out of that Airfix kit is of much higher quality. Of cause the contestant needs to make it visible to good effect to the judges in his monthly update.
Any opinion on duration and starting date, Warren?
Guido
warreni
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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 09:09 PM UTC
I have no idea my friend. I will start tomorrow if you want..
Sorry to bring up the other matters but I am sure someone, somewhere would have decided they didn't like the rule..
As Campaign person you have a hard enough job without people trying to undermine you. You are the boss. We should follow your directions...
Sorry to bring up the other matters but I am sure someone, somewhere would have decided they didn't like the rule..
As Campaign person you have a hard enough job without people trying to undermine you. You are the boss. We should follow your directions...
Tailor
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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 10:09 PM UTC
... no hard feelings here, Warren! Filling loopsholes is a good thing.
Better to discuss this now, than having to debate later on!
Of cause sooner or later we'll just fix the guidelines, which in turn will become "the law".
... and most of all I reckon everybody joining in to be a gentleman and be perfectly able to behave as such. Abiding by the rules fall under such behaviour.
Cheers,
Guido
Better to discuss this now, than having to debate later on!
Of cause sooner or later we'll just fix the guidelines, which in turn will become "the law".
... and most of all I reckon everybody joining in to be a gentleman and be perfectly able to behave as such. Abiding by the rules fall under such behaviour.
Cheers,
Guido
Dangeroo
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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 10:14 PM UTC
A. OOB definition as stated above: In good old German: Jain... If we have too inlclude PE in a OOB, then I would agree. However, that way a guy who is really new and wants to stick to plastic is always second to a guy who will use the PE provided... And the idea of the OOB as I understand is to get new guys into ship modeling. So personally I would stick to PE or no PE. Maybe we should have three categories: OOB No PE, OOB with PE, Full build... 
B. Strating date: November'13 (Fixing the subject one month earlier, as per regulation)
C. Duration: 10 months
Cheers!
Stefan
B. Strating date: November'13 (Fixing the subject one month earlier, as per regulation)
C. Duration: 10 months
Cheers!
Stefan
beefy66
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Posted: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 - 01:18 AM UTC
May I make a sugestion on the categorys not wanting to stand on anyones toe,s but we could have just the 2 and call them the advanced for the more skilled modeller and Basic for the newcomer and those who are not using all the bells and whistles on there subject
B I would go for the November 13 start date
C Would like a 10 month build
Just my 2 pennys worth and looking forward to this one
B I would go for the November 13 start date
C Would like a 10 month build
Just my 2 pennys worth and looking forward to this one
JMartine
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Posted: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 - 02:06 AM UTC
A. OOB definition as stated above: Yeah/Nay
I agree with Keith's point above. When I joined the "OOB" build class last contest, the category was more for newbies, hobby-returnees,and first-time ship builders rather than what was in the box. As Guido mentioned, this was before Academy Premium editions, Dragon SmartKits, Encore Smart kits and enclosed barrels/wooden decks became commonplace.
So.. I would vote for "basic" and "advanced". If that is not an option, then YEAH to Guido's original question.
B. Strating date: January'14 (Allows people to get goodies during the Holiday period...) but other months also good
C. Duration: 10/12 months
Cheers
GO BARCA
I agree with Keith's point above. When I joined the "OOB" build class last contest, the category was more for newbies, hobby-returnees,and first-time ship builders rather than what was in the box. As Guido mentioned, this was before Academy Premium editions, Dragon SmartKits, Encore Smart kits and enclosed barrels/wooden decks became commonplace.
So.. I would vote for "basic" and "advanced". If that is not an option, then YEAH to Guido's original question.
B. Strating date: January'14 (Allows people to get goodies during the Holiday period...) but other months also good
C. Duration: 10/12 months
Cheers
GO BARCA
goldenpony
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Posted: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 - 12:47 PM UTC
I am going to change the start date to Jan 1, 2014 and ending October 31, 2014.
Advance class we can all pretty much agree on. OOB, i will leave that up to you folks to figure out.
Advance class we can all pretty much agree on. OOB, i will leave that up to you folks to figure out.
AussieReg
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Posted: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 - 01:33 PM UTC
A. tricky, with such a high proportion of builds in aircraft and armour having PE and resin components now, even newbies to ship building like myself generally have some experience with such extras. Given that, OOB really takes on a new meaning. The 1/48 aircraft kit that I have just purchased for the "Lottery" campaign on Aeroscale comes standard with PE and resin.
Where do you draw the line? My Frank Knox kit has a small sheet of PE, so personally I would consider it OOB with that, but then I pick up another small sheet of handrails. Does that sufficiently complicate the build to raise it to "Full Build" status? Then I see the complete-mental-breakdown-inducing Flyhawk set that Stefan posted earlier. To my inexperienced eyes that goes almost beyond full build and into, well, another dimension!
B. January 2014 - affirmative
C. 10 months - affirmative
Where do you draw the line? My Frank Knox kit has a small sheet of PE, so personally I would consider it OOB with that, but then I pick up another small sheet of handrails. Does that sufficiently complicate the build to raise it to "Full Build" status? Then I see the complete-mental-breakdown-inducing Flyhawk set that Stefan posted earlier. To my inexperienced eyes that goes almost beyond full build and into, well, another dimension!
B. January 2014 - affirmative
C. 10 months - affirmative
warreni
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Posted: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 - 01:46 PM UTC
Damo,
You may be surprised but that FlyHawk set is at the lower end of the complexity scale.
Have a look at the LionRoar Bismarck set (shiver) and it goes to an even uglier dimension, not of sight and sound, but of resinness and PEness...
You may be surprised but that FlyHawk set is at the lower end of the complexity scale.
Have a look at the LionRoar Bismarck set (shiver) and it goes to an even uglier dimension, not of sight and sound, but of resinness and PEness...
grayghost666
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Posted: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 - 01:49 PM UTC
Hello All,
I am sorry I missed approving the campaign and that Jim had to do it. I am in very intense physical therapy for my leg so I can use my new wooden one.
I will take care of the prizes for the OOB contest. I have a
1/700 USS Maryland BB-61 1941, a 1/350 USS Cheavalier DD-805 1945 and a 1/144 U-Boat Type IIB 1939.
I hope that will be OK to the Campaign Leader. We also need to make sure that the MSW Staffers kmow that they are going to be the judges.
Cheers,
Bruce
I am sorry I missed approving the campaign and that Jim had to do it. I am in very intense physical therapy for my leg so I can use my new wooden one.
I will take care of the prizes for the OOB contest. I have a
1/700 USS Maryland BB-61 1941, a 1/350 USS Cheavalier DD-805 1945 and a 1/144 U-Boat Type IIB 1939.
I hope that will be OK to the Campaign Leader. We also need to make sure that the MSW Staffers kmow that they are going to be the judges.
Cheers,
Bruce
AussieReg
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Posted: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 - 02:41 PM UTC
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Damo,
You may be surprised but that FlyHawk set is at the lower end of the complexity scale.
Warren, I have quickly reached the conclusion that you MSW crew are basically crazy (so I should fit right in), so no, this comes as no great surprise to me.
The more MSW build threads I read through, the more I am looking forward to getting started. I can feel myself being drawn into a whirlpool here, or do we call it a maelstrom ?
Cheers, D
warreni
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Posted: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 - 02:52 PM UTC
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Quoted TextDamo,
You may be surprised but that FlyHawk set is at the lower end of the complexity scale.
Warren, I have quickly reached the conclusion that you MSW crew are basically crazy (so I should fit right in), so no, this comes as no great surprise to me.
The more MSW build threads I read through, the more I am looking forward to getting started. I can feel myself being drawn into a whirlpool here, or do we call it a maelstrom ?
Cheers, D
Either/or... aka Pit Of Doom...
warreni
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Posted: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 - 02:54 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hello All,
I am sorry I missed approving the campaign and that Jim had to do it. I am in very intense physical therapy for my leg so I can use my new wooden one.
I will take care of the prizes for the OOB contest. I have a
1/700 USS Maryland BB-61 1941, a 1/350 USS Cheavalier DD-805 1945 and a 1/144 U-Boat Type IIB 1939.
I hope that will be OK to the Campaign Leader. We also need to make sure that the MSW Staffers kmow that they are going to be the judges.
Cheers,
Bruce
Glad to hear you are on the mend Bruce.
Does me being a staffer mean I can't be involved? I am getting confused..
Dangeroo
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Posted: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 - 05:39 PM UTC
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Either/or... aka Pit Of Doom...
Oooohhhh... That sounds like.... THE JAR OF DOOM!
Is it taking over other Campaigns and sites?
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