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Italeri 1/35 scale S-100 Schnellboot
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xrz100

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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - 04:40 AM UTC

xrz100

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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2012 - 06:55 PM UTC
Gentlemen,
unfortunately I am missing the decription for the S100 crew from Italeri and now looking at a salad of 6 arms. does anyone have a picture of the crew on which basis I can deduce which arm goes to which person?
Thanks
Christian
unfortunately I am missing the decription for the S100 crew from Italeri and now looking at a salad of 6 arms. does anyone have a picture of the crew on which basis I can deduce which arm goes to which person?
Thanks
Christian

the-Rocketman

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Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 - 01:09 AM UTC
Will make a scan this evening 
Bert
Bert

the-Rocketman

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Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 - 03:14 AM UTC
Cristian,
The scans of the S-100 italery crew are posted to your Email address right now.
Success
Bert 
 
The scans of the S-100 italery crew are posted to your Email address right now.
Success
Bert
 
 
xrz100

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Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 - 04:25 AM UTC
Bert
Thank you Crew list received
Thank you Crew list received
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Swart

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Posted: Thursday, June 21, 2012 - 04:32 AM UTC
Hi,
Can someone help me with the following problem?
Of the S 204 "lang" and the S 205 "Ha-Ju" photographs were made during the surrender. On the bridge of the Ha-Ju is the radar antenna for the FuMB 32 and 24 visible, the "lang" is missing this. Is this right, was there no radar on the "lang", or were they already removed?
Rob
Can someone help me with the following problem?
Of the S 204 "lang" and the S 205 "Ha-Ju" photographs were made during the surrender. On the bridge of the Ha-Ju is the radar antenna for the FuMB 32 and 24 visible, the "lang" is missing this. Is this right, was there no radar on the "lang", or were they already removed?
Rob

Robert75013

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Posted: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - 08:48 PM UTC
Hi Rob,
Some other pictures from these two boats indicate that Lang had no such radars on board. Beside, you'll be able to notice that for the purpose, Ha-Jü had its flag signaler stand or 'Signalmeister Posten' moved further to the chartroom's starboard side, while Lang has it to the more usual port side.
  Robert
  Robert
Plans for the S-100 & S-38B types, can be found here: http://rpalmacci.free.fr
Some other pictures from these two boats indicate that Lang had no such radars on board. Beside, you'll be able to notice that for the purpose, Ha-Jü had its flag signaler stand or 'Signalmeister Posten' moved further to the chartroom's starboard side, while Lang has it to the more usual port side.
 Robert
  RobertPlans for the S-100 & S-38B types, can be found here: http://rpalmacci.free.fr

Headhunter506

Joined: December 01, 2007
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Posted: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 11:02 AM UTC
I've been following your progress from the start; and, I want to say that you are doing an excellent job!
I finally took the bite and ordered this kit. I received it last week and I'm planning to make it an RC runner. This ought to keep me busy until my son graduates from eighth grade.....in three years.
I also was lucky enough to find a copy of Harald Fock's Die deutschen Schnellboote 1914 - 1945 for $25 USD.
I finally took the bite and ordered this kit. I received it last week and I'm planning to make it an RC runner. This ought to keep me busy until my son graduates from eighth grade.....in three years.

I also was lucky enough to find a copy of Harald Fock's Die deutschen Schnellboote 1914 - 1945 for $25 USD.

xrz100

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Posted: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 06:08 PM UTC
Hi Jo, welcome to the bitter sweet Thread of correcting the kit and even make it run on the water.
To get the boat into the water will take you approximately just one year, depending on the function you plan to integrate it can take a little to a lot longer. It also depends on how frequent you can work on the model. I am now in my 3rd year, as I build only (if at all) during Saturday and Sunday, as I am working on the project far away from my hobby desk during the week.
Anyway, I think with the whole knowledge of the 8th Schnellbootflotille (based in Holland) and other boats around the globe, I think you can leverage very much from the different learning curves and experience everyone is able to share.
So your first task from my perspective would be to pick the right engines, shafts and props:
Props Raboesh 30 MM brass
Kardan also Raboesh 2 mm and 4 mm endings
Shafts Graupner 310 mm Shafts with a 280 mm tube 4 mm in diameter and M4 for the prop
Engines, small brushless from Roxxy 1825 think with 3 separate speedcontrol from roxxy and program box
If you like more details send me a pn
kind regards
Christian
To get the boat into the water will take you approximately just one year, depending on the function you plan to integrate it can take a little to a lot longer. It also depends on how frequent you can work on the model. I am now in my 3rd year, as I build only (if at all) during Saturday and Sunday, as I am working on the project far away from my hobby desk during the week.
Anyway, I think with the whole knowledge of the 8th Schnellbootflotille (based in Holland) and other boats around the globe, I think you can leverage very much from the different learning curves and experience everyone is able to share.
So your first task from my perspective would be to pick the right engines, shafts and props:
Props Raboesh 30 MM brass
Kardan also Raboesh 2 mm and 4 mm endings
Shafts Graupner 310 mm Shafts with a 280 mm tube 4 mm in diameter and M4 for the prop
Engines, small brushless from Roxxy 1825 think with 3 separate speedcontrol from roxxy and program box
If you like more details send me a pn
kind regards
Christian

Headhunter506

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Posted: Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 11:39 AM UTC
Thanks Christian!
Sorry for not replying sooner. I had a problem reloading the Model Shipwrights page until today.
I'm familiar with the 8th Schnellbootflotille. They put together some really intersting events. I also registered at Modelbouwforum linkname. I've read the entire Construction Report 8th Schnellboot Flottille, Italeri 1/35 thread; and i am using the information found there to plan my build.
I did notice that there were some discussions about waterproofing the hull. Has anyone considered spraying the interior, including the the electrical equipment (excluding the motors, of course) with spray on clear silicon rubber waterproofing sealant? Not only would the hull be watertight, but, the electrical connections/components would be protected from water entering from the deck. Just my two cents.
Sorry for not replying sooner. I had a problem reloading the Model Shipwrights page until today.
I'm familiar with the 8th Schnellbootflotille. They put together some really intersting events. I also registered at Modelbouwforum linkname. I've read the entire Construction Report 8th Schnellboot Flottille, Italeri 1/35 thread; and i am using the information found there to plan my build.
I did notice that there were some discussions about waterproofing the hull. Has anyone considered spraying the interior, including the the electrical equipment (excluding the motors, of course) with spray on clear silicon rubber waterproofing sealant? Not only would the hull be watertight, but, the electrical connections/components would be protected from water entering from the deck. Just my two cents.


BALROG250

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Posted: Friday, September 07, 2012 - 01:00 AM UTC

xrz100

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Posted: Friday, September 07, 2012 - 06:10 AM UTC
Hello Jo, well regarding making the the hull watertide, I agree with you and I think Maarten, who has documented his construction report her: http://puffin.smugmug.com/Hobby-projects/S100-Bouwverslag/7021366_QQb6R#!i=479445689&k=5SDkA
used similar resin to strenghten the hul. However, this brings alos a lot of weight to the model, and in practice the form of the hull is very forgiving with regard to water - far les spray when riding FSA (as you can see on my youtube video "S100 work in progress". Maybe my litle explanation about the way I did it will help to get an impresion.
I sealed the joint of the 2 hull parts, the intake of the props, the tailback key with the ruders and the backside of the hull with sanitär acryl (you know for sealing joint in the bathrome, ensure using acryl not silicone).
The deck is glued and seald with acryl as well. Regarding the technic, I put the accu on the bottom , but still there is enough room below the accu to make water flow, without touching any technic. The rc compoennets are even above the accu and there will be no water from the botton, and no water from the top.
The PT Boat from Italeri does make more water - due to the form of the hull - than the S100 - well at last under normal sea circumstances.
Hope this helps to figure out the right mixture of watertideness for you.
regards
Christian
used similar resin to strenghten the hul. However, this brings alos a lot of weight to the model, and in practice the form of the hull is very forgiving with regard to water - far les spray when riding FSA (as you can see on my youtube video "S100 work in progress". Maybe my litle explanation about the way I did it will help to get an impresion.
I sealed the joint of the 2 hull parts, the intake of the props, the tailback key with the ruders and the backside of the hull with sanitär acryl (you know for sealing joint in the bathrome, ensure using acryl not silicone).
The deck is glued and seald with acryl as well. Regarding the technic, I put the accu on the bottom , but still there is enough room below the accu to make water flow, without touching any technic. The rc compoennets are even above the accu and there will be no water from the botton, and no water from the top.
The PT Boat from Italeri does make more water - due to the form of the hull - than the S100 - well at last under normal sea circumstances.
Hope this helps to figure out the right mixture of watertideness for you.
regards
Christian

Headhunter506

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Posted: Friday, September 07, 2012 - 12:39 PM UTC
Thanks Christian. Your method is what I had in mind. One less headache to worry about now!  
I'm going to rewatch your videos.

I'm going to rewatch your videos.


xrz100

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Posted: Thursday, September 27, 2012 - 02:52 AM UTC
how are your progressing?

gloucesternige

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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 12:57 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I have repositioned most of the holes I could find more or less clear reference of:
The bow picture shows that the Italeri people were some 4cm off on this hole (there can be no excuse for this as there are a lot of pics that clearly show the correct position). The other bow (drain) hole on the opposite side has an identical position. The second pic is of the starboard side and the third of the port side. The holes I didn't photograph were left as they are because I could find no clear reference of these.
Arjan
Hi Arjan,
I realise this is nearly 4 years since your post was written, but I have a question regarding the exhausts/intakes on the S-100.
You mention moving the holes due to references. I cannot find references that show the holes at all, other than the Schnellboot in action where the drawings show the holes where Italeri have put them??
Please help with this issue, as I am being a rivet counter in this respect.
Regards
Nige

gloucesternige

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Posted: Monday, April 01, 2013 - 06:03 AM UTC
OK, I have now delved for hours on the net and through my refs. I can agree that all the ports around the exhausts are as you have them, but I cannot find the Bow holes up as far as you have portrayed them? I can only find a couple of pictures that show any Bow holes at all, they are just above the waterline??
Opinions please???
Opinions please???

mikec_2

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Posted: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 08:24 AM UTC
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Greetings Noel;
I am sending a copy of a photograph that I picked up a while back. One of the S-boats is a S-100 with a Flakvierling quad 38.
The second boat looks like a S-38b. Instead of a 37mm gun it has a 40mm Buff.
     
From what I have read you can use ether one.
Also I have references that say in the Med. some of the boats used the MG-151 Drilling 20mm gunmount, at the waist position, instead of the normal two barreled 20mm gunmount.
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Mike
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Greetings Noel;
I am sending a copy of a photograph that I picked up a while back. One of the S-boats is a S-100 with a Flakvierling quad 38.
The second boat looks like a S-38b. Instead of a 37mm gun it has a 40mm Buff.
From what I have read you can use ether one.
Also I have references that say in the Med. some of the boats used the MG-151 Drilling 20mm gunmount, at the waist position, instead of the normal two barreled 20mm gunmount.
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Later,
Mike

mikec_2

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Posted: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 01:02 PM UTC
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Greetings all;
Note: in the thread above this one... in the first photo, the
S-100 is camouflaged, as is the S-38/b below it.
My reference leads me to believe, unlike the boats operating in the English channel, the boats operating in Norway & the Mediterranean waters wore more camouflage.
I myself, would not be to quick to discount the Russian references. When it comes to the Germans, and the Second World War .... Anything is possible.
Have a good one,
Mike
      
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Greetings all;
Note: in the thread above this one... in the first photo, the
S-100 is camouflaged, as is the S-38/b below it.
My reference leads me to believe, unlike the boats operating in the English channel, the boats operating in Norway & the Mediterranean waters wore more camouflage.
I myself, would not be to quick to discount the Russian references. When it comes to the Germans, and the Second World War .... Anything is possible.
Have a good one,
Mike

the-Rocketman

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Posted: Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 12:07 AM UTC
Hello Mike,
You are right about the Drieling Have one photo in my files of a S boat with a flak of this type.
For the S-100 type on your picture the Flak 4x is a special navy type of this weapon it has a high pedestal onder the gun.
Question is it posible to get a better copy of your picture.
With kind regards
Bert
You are right about the Drieling Have one photo in my files of a S boat with a flak of this type.
For the S-100 type on your picture the Flak 4x is a special navy type of this weapon it has a high pedestal onder the gun.
Question is it posible to get a better copy of your picture.
With kind regards
Bert
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mikec_2

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Posted: Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 08:55 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Hello Mike,
You are right about the Drieling Have one photo in my files of a S boat with a flak of this type.
For the S-100 type on your picture the Flak 4x is a special navy type of this weapon it has a high pedestal onder the gun.
Question is it posible to get a better copy of your picture.
With kind regards
Bert
Greetings Bert;
The only photo I have of the naval version of the MG-151
is not very good. I fancy, it maybe the same one you have.. :-( ..... I enlarged it some.
The mount appears to be the same as the army uses ....
 
 
I am including a few other pics, of the mount for clarity.




On the subject of camouflage I have two more pics for you.
This one is of S-91. She was a S-38/b boat.

The following photos are of the 4cm Flak-28 Bofords on the S-91.



This one for ref.

The last pic is of S-132. She was a S-100 type boat.

Well guys, that's all for now.
Enjoy,
Mike

Biggles2

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Posted: Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 09:05 PM UTC
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Greetings all;
Note: in the thread above this one... in the first photo, the
S-100 is camouflaged, as is the S-38/b below it.
Mike
I'm not an S boat experten, but isn't the boat identified as an S-38/b really just an S-38, as it doesn't have the retro-fitted Kallott? It also has a mast. I've read that masts were removed on the outbreak of war to make them less visible.
 
 
mikec_2

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Posted: Friday, April 15, 2016 - 01:52 AM UTC
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