Request to the Skipper,
Here's a surprise, after starting the flight deck on Shokaku (about which the less said the better) and finding that I could (and did) get hold of The Anatomy of the Ship: Gambier Bay, I'm thinking of shifting my build to the USS Guadalcanal (and U-505, of course). Is that allowed? I have not started it yet other than to begin washing the parts, which I'm doing right now.
Thank you for your consideration, sir!
Michael
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wildspear
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About the USS Hornet CV-8
In the book "The Ship That Held the Line", on page 171 they mention storing F4F carcasses in the storage bays above the gallery deck. Does anyone have some pictures that might show some of that?
In the book "The Ship That Held the Line", on page 171 they mention storing F4F carcasses in the storage bays above the gallery deck. Does anyone have some pictures that might show some of that?
TheDiggs
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Posted: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 12:41 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Request to the Skipper,
Here's a surprise, after starting the flight deck on Shokaku (about which the less said the better) and finding that I could (and did) get hold of The Anatomy of the Ship: Gambier Bay, I'm thinking of shifting my build to the USS Guadalcanal (and U-505, of course). Is that allowed? I have not started it yet other than to begin washing the parts, which I'm doing right now.
Thank you for your consideration, sir!
Michael
Sounds good
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Posted: Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 07:07 AM UTC
Quoted Text
About the USS Hornet CV-8
In the book "The Ship That Held the Line", on page 171 they mention storing F4F carcasses in the storage bays above the gallery deck. Does anyone have some pictures that might show some of that?
I'm reading the same book right now for my 1/700 USS Hornet build. It's a good read so far.
The computer I have my scanner hooked up to has gone south so I can't scan this picture but if you can find a copy of Robert Ballard's book Return to Midway there is a painting on page 47. It shows crewmen sorting AA shells on the hangar deck. Overhead there is a Dauntless suspended from the overhead. In the background, on the walls of the hangar, are what look like drop tanks. There is also an Avenger torpedo bomber shown so this must be from a later period, but the idea should be the same.
Hope this helps.
Halfyank
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Posted: Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 07:20 AM UTC
I'm building the Trumpeter 1/700 scale USS Hornet from the time of the Doolittle raid. Someday I hope to do this ship in 1/350, with full P.E. so for this campaign I'm just doing this out of the box. I normally do 1/350 scale and I'd forgotten just how small 1/700 items, like deck fittings of smaller AA guns can be.
I really like this kit so far. I'm especially impressed with the details put onto the hangar deck, an area you can't really see if you build straight from the instructions.
Here is my plan. I'm going to spot the B-25s on the deck, with Doolittle just taking off forward. I hope to be able to have some clear plastic discs to represent the spinning propellers on some of the aircraft, while using the kit's aircraft propellers to represent those that haven't started their engines yet.
I'm going to take a little historic artistic license. The Hornet's own aircraft were struck below while the B-25s were on deck. My theory is that they would want them airborne as soon as possible once the deck was clear. I'm going to model some of the aft hangar doors open, with some of the kits other aircraft types visible in the openings. This will represent the aircraft being prepared for launch once the deck was clear.
This will be a full hull build, using Trumpeters standard base. I like this base as I think it gives a classy look to the model.
I really like this kit so far. I'm especially impressed with the details put onto the hangar deck, an area you can't really see if you build straight from the instructions.
Here is my plan. I'm going to spot the B-25s on the deck, with Doolittle just taking off forward. I hope to be able to have some clear plastic discs to represent the spinning propellers on some of the aircraft, while using the kit's aircraft propellers to represent those that haven't started their engines yet.
I'm going to take a little historic artistic license. The Hornet's own aircraft were struck below while the B-25s were on deck. My theory is that they would want them airborne as soon as possible once the deck was clear. I'm going to model some of the aft hangar doors open, with some of the kits other aircraft types visible in the openings. This will represent the aircraft being prepared for launch once the deck was clear.
This will be a full hull build, using Trumpeters standard base. I like this base as I think it gives a classy look to the model.
lawlzw
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Posted: Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 10:22 PM UTC
Hi guys,
Some more progress shots for my USS Independence...
Applying the camo scheme can best be described as "excruciating"... with all the masking and re-masking... more touch-up will be required before putting up the rest of the details, AA guns, boats, etc.
Cheers!
Some more progress shots for my USS Independence...
Applying the camo scheme can best be described as "excruciating"... with all the masking and re-masking... more touch-up will be required before putting up the rest of the details, AA guns, boats, etc.
Cheers!
TheDiggs
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Posted: Friday, January 29, 2010 - 12:16 AM UTC
Looking good
Spiff
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Posted: Friday, January 29, 2010 - 04:58 AM UTC
Nice progress Lawrence, looks great! 
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Posted: Friday, January 29, 2010 - 05:55 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Request to the Skipper,
Here's a surprise, after starting the flight deck on Shokaku (about which the less said the better) and finding that I could (and did) get hold of The Anatomy of the Ship: Gambier Bay, I'm thinking of shifting my build to the USS Guadalcanal (and U-505, of course). Is that allowed? I have not started it yet other than to begin washing the parts, which I'm doing right now.
Thank you for your consideration, sir!
Michael
Hi Michael
Just in case you get a response from the "wrong" Skipper
You can make all the flattops you want, IMHO (even if I am not the Campaign Leader)
Good project
Cheers,
Rui
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Posted: Friday, January 29, 2010 - 06:37 AM UTC
The Independence is looking good. She is an example of trying to decide which campaign to enter her in, Camouflage, Divine Waterline, or WWII Flattops.
skipper
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Posted: Friday, January 29, 2010 - 07:10 AM UTC
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The Independence is looking good. She is an example of trying to decide which campaign to enter her in, Camouflage, Divine Waterline, or WWII Flattops.
Yes indeed - it almost could be a "wild card" and be part of the three Campaigns!
Good Job, Lawrence!
wildspear
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Posted: Friday, January 29, 2010 - 06:05 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextAbout the USS Hornet CV-8
In the book "The Ship That Held the Line", on page 171 they mention storing F4F carcasses in the storage bays above the gallery deck. Does anyone have some pictures that might show some of that?
I'm reading the same book right now for my 1/700 USS Hornet build. It's a good read so far.
The computer I have my scanner hooked up to has gone south so I can't scan this picture but if you can find a copy of Robert Ballard's book Return to Midway there is a painting on page 47. It shows crewmen sorting AA shells on the hangar deck. Overhead there is a Dauntless suspended from the overhead. In the background, on the walls of the hangar, are what look like drop tanks. There is also an Avenger torpedo bomber shown so this must be from a later period, but the idea should be the same.
Hope this helps.
Rodger,
Just ordered the book, got it from Amazon for 8 bucks....couldn't resist the price.
Halfyank
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Posted: Friday, January 29, 2010 - 09:52 PM UTC
If you like this book I highly recommend another book I finished a couple weeks ago. A Dawn Like Thunder: The true story of Torpedo Eight. It's a great book. Really interesting, well read, and gripping.
TheDiggs
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Posted: Saturday, January 30, 2010 - 04:19 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextRequest to the Skipper,
Here's a surprise, after starting the flight deck on Shokaku (about which the less said the better) and finding that I could (and did) get hold of The Anatomy of the Ship: Gambier Bay, I'm thinking of shifting my build to the USS Guadalcanal (and U-505, of course). Is that allowed? I have not started it yet other than to begin washing the parts, which I'm doing right now.
Thank you for your consideration, sir!
Michael
Hi Michael
Just in case you get a response from the "wrong" Skipper
You can make all the flattops you want, IMHO (even if I am not the Campaign Leader)
Good project
Cheers,
Rui
Nice
. I gave the go ahead. We are getting more baby and light flattops that I expected. This is turning out nice, my little USS Bogue won't feel so little with a couple of ships her own size around. 
lawlzw
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Posted: Saturday, January 30, 2010 - 04:43 AM UTC
Quoted Text
The Independence is looking good. She is an example of trying to decide which campaign to enter her in, Camouflage, Divine Waterline, or WWII Flattops.
Thanks for the encouragement guys... as a matter of fact, i did consider the Independence for the Camouflage campaign, but decided to build Fujimi's Zuikaku instead (done and submitted; wanted to clear out the older kits first, and get some practice before embarking on the Independence!
) wildspear
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Posted: Monday, February 01, 2010 - 07:34 AM UTC
Rodger,
The book "The Ship That Held The Line". On page 209 they talk about the corespondents left the USS Hornet by way of the "breeches Buoy", any idea what this may have been? Remember I'm a groundpounder by trade.
The book "The Ship That Held The Line". On page 209 they talk about the corespondents left the USS Hornet by way of the "breeches Buoy", any idea what this may have been? Remember I'm a groundpounder by trade.
Halfyank
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Posted: Monday, February 01, 2010 - 07:44 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Rodger,
The book "The Ship That Held The Line". On page 209 they talk about the corespondents left the USS Hornet by way of the "breeches Buoy", any idea what this may have been? Remember I'm a groundpounder by trade.
I was never in the Navy, just Navy JROTC in high school. I have read a lot though. The Breeches Buoy is a way to send items between ships. A small line is sent over from one ship to another, then a larger one is sent over. If you've seen the movie Enemy Below it's pretty much like what they did at the end to get the German commander and his friend from the U-Boat to the D.E. Except a Breeches Buoy uses some kind of cage, or sack to put the items in. In the old days they used a coal sack. I think in WWII they either had a dedicated cage, or a mail sack. Also if you've seen the movie The Bridges at Toko Ri they used a Breeches Buoy to get Mickey Rooney and Earl Holliman over from the carrier to the DD.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Breeches_buoy_(PSF).jpg
wildspear
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Posted: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 07:18 AM UTC
Just received the book "Return to Midway" alot of good information and pictures in it. It shows a Mural (a tiny bit of it) that was painted on the elevator wall (of the Yorktown). Did many of the WWII Carriers do this? Would anyone have a picture of the mural for CV-8 if she had one?
Halfyank
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Posted: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 07:49 AM UTC
No mural is mentioned but The Ship That Held the Line mentions Mitschler (sp) had "Remember Pearl Harbor" painted on side of the island. Unfortunately it doesn't mention if it was on both sides, or how big the letters were or anything like that.
wildspear
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Posted: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 07:58 AM UTC
Ty for the quick reply Rodger.
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Posted: Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 02:24 AM UTC
I've started the 1941 Akagi this week in 1:700. Here are the basic sets I'll be using. Several other PE sets that are generic to IJN ships will also be used. I purchased a few Voyager reel sets and this will be the first ship I'll be using them on. Right now I'm removing various platforms and details on the hull to be recreated using ether the Lion Roar set or something else.
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Posted: Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 05:58 AM UTC
Awesome work gentlemen.
wildspear
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 02:57 PM UTC
I have the trump 1/350 Hornet. It seems the walls of the hanger deck don't match up with the tabs that are on the underside of the flight deck. Has anyone else had this problem? What were your step to correct this?
TheDiggs
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2010 - 11:22 PM UTC
Normally when I have that problem the tabs are close enough to force it together. But when they are too off to force I have cut the tabs off or remove just a few of them and just glued pieces together without them.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 - 12:54 PM UTC
See if you can get the finescale article--it has a complete build--sorry I dont have the dates of the issue---Pat Jones
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