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Building Bronco's Big Type XXIII Sub

dioman13

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Posted: Monday, March 03, 2014 - 05:00 PM UTC
Hey Michael, now that looks very awsome. I'd leave the guage in also. If you can find a pigion or gull or 2 and the spots marking their turff.A little natural humour.

Gotrek58

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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - 01:10 AM UTC
...the gauge is glued now, the pawls and wooden blocks too:


A Tamiya crow was modified for my last Ijmuiden-diorama, maybe I try it again:

  
 
Michael


A Tamiya crow was modified for my last Ijmuiden-diorama, maybe I try it again:

 
 Michael

Gotrek58

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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - 06:01 AM UTC
Weathering with MIG pigments after a layer of a cold grey filter on the wall:
P024 - Light Rust
P025 - Standard Rust
P039 - Industrial City Dirt
 
   
 
   
Satisfied for today...
  
 
Michael
P024 - Light Rust
P025 - Standard Rust
P039 - Industrial City Dirt
 
   
 
   
Satisfied for today...
 
 Michael

mgrummitt

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Posted: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - 08:42 AM UTC
Both of these builds are great!  Excellent work Al and Michael!!   
 
 
 Posted: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - 09:05 AM UTC
Hi Michael,
Excellent work on the dry dock and sub.
Hi Al,
Figures are looking good, more excellent work. Two super builds.
Cheers
Alan 
   
 
Excellent work on the dry dock and sub.
Hi Al,
Figures are looking good, more excellent work. Two super builds.
Cheers
Alan
 
   
 
Gotrek58

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Posted: Thursday, March 06, 2014 - 09:20 AM UTC
...today only 2 life buoys added:
 
     
  
 
Michael
 
     
 
 Michael

TAFFY3

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Posted: Friday, March 07, 2014 - 05:00 AM UTC
Hello Mike, Alan, Thanks for the comments, I'm quite happy with the way she turned out and looking forward to seeing Michael's massive project completed.  
   Al
 Al
 
   Al
 Al
Gotrek58

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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2014 - 01:40 AM UTC
A sunny sunday morning without family commitments - time for some painting and weathering. Yesterday the dock was lengthened, some planks added and the front strutted. I hope, the daylight pics are showing the progress with industrial dust, rust, spots and puddles:
 
     
 
     
The water supply was dropping and there was some water in the hose:
 
     
The bollards were glued, painted and weathered as the planks:
 
     
It's a lot of work, but fun to build such a huge model display!
  
 
Michael
 
     
 
     
The water supply was dropping and there was some water in the hose:
 
     
The bollards were glued, painted and weathered as the planks:
 
     
It's a lot of work, but fun to build such a huge model display!
 
 Michael

TAFFY3

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Posted: Sunday, March 09, 2014 - 03:41 AM UTC
Looking better and better all the time.  Al
 Al
 Al
 Al
Gotrek58

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Posted: Monday, March 10, 2014 - 06:04 AM UTC
Today some woodwork
 
     
A platform to change the anodes
 
     
  
 
Michael
 
     
A platform to change the anodes
 
     
 
 Michael

Fordboy

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Posted: Monday, March 10, 2014 - 08:10 AM UTC
Ahoy Michael
Great work thus far very very cool idea.
Cheers
Sean
Great work thus far very very cool idea.
Cheers
Sean
Posted: Monday, March 17, 2014 - 06:06 AM UTC
Hi Michael,
This will be seriously impressive when done, nice work.
Al
This will be seriously impressive when done, nice work.
Al

BubbleheadSparks

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Posted: Saturday, March 22, 2014 - 02:01 AM UTC
Michael, It's looking great! I do have one point to make on the rust stains on the casing, though: the rust stains should run down only to the waterline and then meet the slime/barnacle weathering and end. That's from the boat being in the salt water 98% of the time. The paint topside should be faded/mottled as well to match the long runs of rusty runoff; rust trails this long take months to form. You have what is basically pristine, uniform paint topside with months-old rust trails and they don't match.
I've posted earlier that submarine paint topside is usually a patchwork ... deck division paints the boats in swaths and patches whenever the boat is in port ... just what they can reach with rollers and brushes and according to how much paint they were able to draw from the tender. It's unsightly, I know, but the topside should be rendered in various stages of weathering and in geometric patches. Definitely, the anti-skid paint between the toerails and scuppers is painted more frequently than the lower sides of the casing.
Take a fresh look at your topside paint scheme. That boat didn't spend months in a drydock because there are other boats in line to get scraped and serviced. Your rust trails should end at the waterline.
I've posted earlier that submarine paint topside is usually a patchwork ... deck division paints the boats in swaths and patches whenever the boat is in port ... just what they can reach with rollers and brushes and according to how much paint they were able to draw from the tender. It's unsightly, I know, but the topside should be rendered in various stages of weathering and in geometric patches. Definitely, the anti-skid paint between the toerails and scuppers is painted more frequently than the lower sides of the casing.
Take a fresh look at your topside paint scheme. That boat didn't spend months in a drydock because there are other boats in line to get scraped and serviced. Your rust trails should end at the waterline.

Salmon

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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 - 05:36 AM UTC
Quoted Text
...and here they are:
Print it DIN A4 and the details are nearly 1:35 scale - I hope this is helpful!
It's one of the first blueprints, but I think the inner arrangement hasn't changed...
And it's the best I could find!

Michael
I am new to this forum, but I signed up because of this build.
Currently I am building the Bronco Type XXIII (R/C'd it) and have used this information to add details.
How can I get a set of plans like you reference here? What I am trying to find is where lights go. Port and starboard are pretty obvious (although I do not know what Bronco's reference for lighting is). Where is the white light placed? Is that bell shaped piece in the above reference a desk lamp or the navigation light.
Here is what I have gotten done so far:

and here is the sub working as R/C:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCve3gtx5KM
Thank you for your help!
RedDuster

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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 - 07:41 AM UTC
Apologies Guys, haven't looked in on this thread for a while.
Really impressive Michael, the boat in the dock section is great scene, love the little detail touches & the subtle weathering.
Great looking build Tom, thanks for sharing.
Si
Really impressive Michael, the boat in the dock section is great scene, love the little detail touches & the subtle weathering.
Great looking build Tom, thanks for sharing.
Si

TAFFY3

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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 - 08:32 AM UTC
 Where is the white light placed? Is that bell shaped piece in the above reference a desk lamp or the navigation light. 
If I remember correctly, I read that there was a removable light affixed to the top of the periscope when needed. Don't know how it was wired, whether it plugged into a socket on the 'scope that had internal wiring, or used an external wire that plugged into a socket somewhere in the bridge area. Can't see the picture that you are referencing but there was a ships bell that could be mounted or dismounted. Al
 Al
If I remember correctly, I read that there was a removable light affixed to the top of the periscope when needed. Don't know how it was wired, whether it plugged into a socket on the 'scope that had internal wiring, or used an external wire that plugged into a socket somewhere in the bridge area. Can't see the picture that you are referencing but there was a ships bell that could be mounted or dismounted.
 Al
 Al
Salmon

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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 - 10:41 AM UTC
Sorry, I thought the pictures would have shown up if I did a reply with a quote.
Page 5 of this thread, there are two pictures of a portion of a plan for the Type XXIII
Here:
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk140/TheralSadurns/XXIIITower2Kopie_zpsc6bec0aa.jpeg
and this one:
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk140/TheralSadurns/XXIIITower1Kopie_zps12e6dc93.jpeg
Page 5 of this thread, there are two pictures of a portion of a plan for the Type XXIII
Here:
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk140/TheralSadurns/XXIIITower2Kopie_zpsc6bec0aa.jpeg
and this one:
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk140/TheralSadurns/XXIIITower1Kopie_zps12e6dc93.jpeg

TAFFY3

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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 - 11:11 AM UTC
Yep, ship's bell.
  
 
You can see it here, in the middle photo. Al
 Al
 
 You can see it here, in the middle photo.
 Al
 Al
Salmon

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Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 - 04:25 PM UTC
Ahhhh, I see. Thank you! I saw a modeler who put a light on a holder that went on or hung on the periscope. Another modeler told me that is the way it was done, I believe him, but I would like to find a reference to duplicate it. Any suggestions or reference you can share?  

TAFFY3

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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 - 12:38 AM UTC
Glad I could help Tom. The only references that I could find were a couple of books in German. The one that I found most helpful was "Vom Original Zum Modell, Uboottyp XXIII". It's a modellers' guide, by Fritz Kahl. That is where the above photos came from. I found a website called Book Reader (bookre.org) that allows you to read it page by page, on-line. There are lot of photos and line drawings, but small details are sometimes hard to make out. The second book is "U-Boottyp XXIII", by Eberhard Rossler. I didn't find this book as helpful, being mostly text (in German) with fewer usable photos. I was lucky to have Michael's help in understanding what I was seeing.  Al
 Al
 Al
 Al
Gotrek58

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Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 - 04:45 AM UTC
...I hope, I can help a little bit more: The booklet "VOZM Uboottyp XXIII" isn't written by Fritz Köhl only. It's a "joint venture" with Eberhardt Rössler, the author of the 2nd book Al noted. Very useful book, but only in german language...
All the drawings from VOZM are also available as DIN A1 plans: http://www.zvab.com/Planmappe-Uboottyp-Eberhard-Rössler-Planmappe-Uboottyp/148073993/buch
And I found 2 pics in "U-Boot im Focus, No. 3+10":
U-2360 showing the white light at the aft edge of the tower

U-281 in Loch Ryan 1945, a VIIc-boat with a light hanging down the periscope

  
 
Michael
All the drawings from VOZM are also available as DIN A1 plans: http://www.zvab.com/Planmappe-Uboottyp-Eberhard-Rössler-Planmappe-Uboottyp/148073993/buch
And I found 2 pics in "U-Boot im Focus, No. 3+10":
U-2360 showing the white light at the aft edge of the tower

U-281 in Loch Ryan 1945, a VIIc-boat with a light hanging down the periscope

 
 Michael

Salmon

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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2014 - 02:13 AM UTC
Wow, you helped a lot!  Thank you SO much!

surfsup

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Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2014 - 04:17 PM UTC
It is quite simply superb.....Cheers mark

Salmon

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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 10:58 AM UTC

Gotrek58

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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2014 - 02:38 PM UTC
According to the drawing in VOZM it's a "Tauklüse", means hawse for ropes:
  
 
  
 
Michael
 
  
 Michael
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