APPROVED! Pre-Dreadnought Campaign
Georgia, United States
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Posted: Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 09:21 AM UTC
I was looking at all the many choices to play with for this one... I would've loved to do a Virginia, but alas, the USN elected to build her too late. Then I was looking around some more, and got a silly but entertaining idea. I'm already scratching a Suffren (D 602) for the Cold War Tin Cans build, and while looking at what's on the plans hard drive, and what campaigns I'm signed up for, I saw an interesting coincidence
I'm also signed up for the Cruisers of the 20th Century build. The French thoughtfully built 3 ships named Suffren that fit nicely into the categories. So I'm looking at Suffren 1899 for PreDreads, Suffren 1926 for the Cruisers build, and Suffren 1962 for the Tin Cans. Obviously, the only one building right now is the Tin Can, but it might be fun to do a meta-theme into my builds
#021
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Posted: Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 12:39 PM UTC
hello Clark,
interesting idea,same ship name for different eras.sounds like you will have your hands full for the next few months.
i have been kicking around doing the first nuclear task force 6th fleet,in 1/350 scale.still looking for all of the ships.
thanks for joining this campaign,and i cannot wait to see your 3 ships.when you get them done are they going to be put together in 1 dio?
cheers,
Bruce
Fair Winds and Following Sea's, Always.
To my Friends, Death is as Light as a Feather, Duty is as Heavy as a Mountain.
I will all have my Hand on your Shoulder. Do not grieve for me I will allways be there for You.
Georgia, United States
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Posted: Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 01:20 PM UTC
Hi Bruce, I'm not sure... I'm working in 1/144, so while it'd be cool to have the 3 Suffrens in formation, that'd be a huge dio. Maybe if I had my own museum
And yes, I will be up to my armpits in projects for a year, I love to scratchbuild!
The hulls will either be fiberglass over wood, or molded fiberglass if I feel like making the molds (not sure how much demand there is for Suffern hulls
#021
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Posted: Sunday, May 25, 2008 - 07:26 PM UTC
hello Clark,
there might be a few builders who might be interested in buying the hulls,for thier own scratch builds.but it is up to you per say your time limits.
i cannot wait to see you builds.
cheers,
Bruce
Fair Winds and Following Sea's, Always.
To my Friends, Death is as Light as a Feather, Duty is as Heavy as a Mountain.
I will all have my Hand on your Shoulder. Do not grieve for me I will allways be there for You.
England - South East, United Kingdom
Joined: November 23, 2007
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 08:26 PM UTC
Pre-dred? I'd love to, and looking at my possiblities I've got HMS Prince of Wales - Combrig, 700, Jane d'Arc - Comrig 700, and a Borodino class Imperator Alexandr - Combrig, 700.
Of these my best referenced is PoW but I wanted to portray this as a troop transporter at Dieppe - would this not count as a dio - or do I need special planning permission from MSW?
I'll see what what else is available.
peter F
Pennsylvania, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 - 11:13 PM UTC
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Pre-dred? I'd love to, and looking at my possiblities I've got HMS Prince of Wales - Combrig, 700, Jane d'Arc - Comrig 700, and a Borodino class Imperator Alexandr - Combrig, 700.
Of these my best referenced is PoW but I wanted to portray this as a troop transporter at Dieppe - would this not count as a dio - or do I need special planning permission from MSW?
I'll see what what else is available.
peter F
Aye, Mr. Fulgoney, welcome to the build!
I've sent Bruce a pm about your question, in case he misses this Peter, and since Bruce is the leader of this campaign, it's his call on rules....
"And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by..."
#021
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Posted: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 11:37 AM UTC
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Pre-dred? I'd love to, and looking at my possiblities I've got HMS Prince of Wales - Combrig, 700, Jane d'Arc - Comrig 700, and a Borodino class Imperator Alexandr - Combrig, 700.
Of these my best referenced is PoW but I wanted to portray this as a troop transporter at Dieppe - would this not count as a dio - or do I need special planning permission from MSW?
I'll see what what else is available.
peter F
hello Peter,
i messed up and did not put in the rules and regs that dio's are allowed.multiple builds are also encouraged.i will send Mark to change the rules to show all of this.
thank you for pointing this mistake out to me.
cheers,
Bruce
Fair Winds and Following Sea's, Always.
To my Friends, Death is as Light as a Feather, Duty is as Heavy as a Mountain.
I will all have my Hand on your Shoulder. Do not grieve for me I will allways be there for You.
England - South East, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 08:08 PM UTC
Cheers, Bruce, this is very helpful not only because the pre-dreds are small ships in general.
Also I have the Russian Osylabya on the subs bench so that now is also a favourite. As I mentioned though it's easier to have a subject that is properly referenced.
Thanks for your advice.
Peter F
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 08:25 AM UTC
hello all,
this is my entry in the predreadnought campaign.it is the USS Winslow TB-5 Foote Class Torpedo Boat in 1/192 scale by Flagship Models.Rusty White puts together some great resin ships,mostly Civil War,but 1 Predreadnought ship.here are some of the photo's:
the box,need i say more.
hull pieces.
close up of the hull details.
the PE that came with the kit.
some of the other parts that came with the kit.i have no idea what they are.
so there you have it,my first resin kit and PE details.i am going to be asking a lot of questions as i do this build,as i do not have any idea how to build a resin kit.
i hope all of you have a fun and safe weekend.
cheers,
Bruce
Fair Winds and Following Sea's, Always.
To my Friends, Death is as Light as a Feather, Duty is as Heavy as a Mountain.
I will all have my Hand on your Shoulder. Do not grieve for me I will allways be there for You.
Pennsylvania, United States
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 02:19 PM UTC
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hello all,
this is my entry in the predreadnought campaign.it is the USS Winslow TB-5 Foote Class Torpedo Boat in 1/192 scale by Flagship Models
Nice choice, Bruce, very unique subject, and kit...will be interesting to watch her grow, mate...
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some of the other parts that came with the kit.i have no idea what they are.
Those would be the stacks, torpedo tubes, and cowl vents, mate...
Don't let resin, PE, and white metal scare ya mate...different media, different methods, but nothing that we can't help you out with...........
"And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by..."
#021
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 02:40 PM UTC
hello Mark,
thanks for the vote of confidence,i was looking for a build that was unique,and i think i found it.
it only took me 9 months looking at 40+ web stores to find it.and at Flagship Models webstore Rusty has 11 cd's on differant subjects with 2 of them by 1 of our shipmate.so they are now on my to buy list.
cheers,
Bruce
Fair Winds and Following Sea's, Always.
To my Friends, Death is as Light as a Feather, Duty is as Heavy as a Mountain.
I will all have my Hand on your Shoulder. Do not grieve for me I will allways be there for You.
Maryland, United States
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 07:40 PM UTC
Wellll.... Since the time for this operation is fast approaching, I think I'll take the plunge with the 1/700 French armored cruiser, Dupuy de Lôme.
Amazingly, I'm not doing something Japanese.
But seeing as how Japan didn't really build any of their own stuff in the Pre-Dread era, I'll go with the country that really pushed the boundaries, France. I love French design work, from their girls, to their cars, to their tanks, to their ships. The Dupuy de Lôme is the epitome of jeune école!
I'm also toying with the idea of maybe using the 1/700 model as a basis for scaling up to produce a scratchbuilt model in 1/192 or 1/96 scale... We'll see.
-------Dade =)
Works In Progress (Yikes!)... 1/250 Otaki IJN Musashi (since 2008!)... and whatever pops up to keep me from away from the Musashi... lol
Wales, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 08:38 PM UTC
I'll stick my oar in for probably a Combrig HMS Royal Sovereign, Victorian colours
Mike
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Zimbabwe
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Posted: Friday, October 03, 2008 - 01:30 AM UTC
I have two nice Combrig Russins ships and just cannot decide.
First up is the Imp. Ekaterina Velikaya. I love the 4 turrets and she also has a bow crane that is totally unique.
OR we have Sisoy Velikiy. I have some better reference material on this ship.
Decisions can be such a pain at times.
#021
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Posted: Friday, October 03, 2008 - 08:17 AM UTC
hello all,
we have 29 days to the start of the campaign,so lets get out our reference books and dust off the kits.
@Dade,
interesting pick and kit,welcome to the campaign.when you get it done i know it will be fantastic.
@Mike,
welcome to the campaign.great choice for your build.
@Jim,
i think that the Imp. Ekaterina Velikaya will be a very intresting build,but it is up to you. or you could do both
cheers,
Bruce
Fair Winds and Following Sea's, Always.
To my Friends, Death is as Light as a Feather, Duty is as Heavy as a Mountain.
I will all have my Hand on your Shoulder. Do not grieve for me I will allways be there for You.
Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Friday, October 03, 2008 - 09:01 AM UTC
I'm going to have to reassess my pre-dreadnought campaign choice. I originally wanted to do the Varyag cruiser, but in the chaos that is my life these days, I started her prematurely and for another campaign!
So as far as this campaign goes, my choices are limited to a few Seals Models kits. I might search PacificFront and see what else fancies me.
Frank
Currently working on:
350th Hasegawa Nagato
350th Hasegawa Isokaze
#021
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Posted: Friday, October 03, 2008 - 06:39 PM UTC
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I'm going to have to reassess my pre-dreadnought campaign choice. I originally wanted to do the Varyag cruiser, but in the chaos that is my life these days, I started her prematurely and for another campaign! So as far as this campaign goes, my choices are limited to a few Seals Models kits. I might search PacificFront and see what else fancies me.
Frank
hello Frank,
how much have you got done?if not over 10%-15% built,i am willing to let you use that model for the campaign.that way you do not have to spend money for a new kit.unless you want to.
cheers,
Bruce
Fair Winds and Following Sea's, Always.
To my Friends, Death is as Light as a Feather, Duty is as Heavy as a Mountain.
I will all have my Hand on your Shoulder. Do not grieve for me I will allways be there for You.
Colorado, United States
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Posted: Friday, October 03, 2008 - 08:03 PM UTC
Bruce,
Any chance of doing a 1/700 IJN light cruiser the Shinano Maru?
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Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 02:19 AM UTC
Thanks Bruce, but I'll keep the Varyag in the cruiser campaign and start a new model for the pre-dreadnought....
Frank
Currently working on:
350th Hasegawa Nagato
350th Hasegawa Isokaze
#021
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Posted: Saturday, October 04, 2008 - 07:11 AM UTC
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Bruce,
Any chance of doing a 1/700 IJN light cruiser the Shinano Maru?
hello Harry,
the rules state that you may build any Warship 1866-1905.the Shinano Maru was a merchant ship before the IJN took here over and made her an aux cruiser.
but with her famous history (first IJN ship to find the Russian Fleet) i am going to allow it.
cheers,
Bruce
Fair Winds and Following Sea's, Always.
To my Friends, Death is as Light as a Feather, Duty is as Heavy as a Mountain.
I will all have my Hand on your Shoulder. Do not grieve for me I will allways be there for You.
Maryland, United States
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Posted: Monday, October 06, 2008 - 06:31 AM UTC
Well darn, I just got an email from Bill Gruner saying the Dupuy de Lome isn't in stock and to try again in a couple weeks. Now I'm torn between waiting to see if comes in stock or to build something else. Decisions, decisions...
-------Dade =)
Works In Progress (Yikes!)... 1/250 Otaki IJN Musashi (since 2008!)... and whatever pops up to keep me from away from the Musashi... lol
Zimbabwe
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Posted: Monday, October 06, 2008 - 07:25 AM UTC
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Well darn, I just got an email from Bill Gruner saying the Dupuy de Lome isn't in stock and to try again in a couple weeks. Now I'm torn between waiting to see if comes in stock or to build something else. Decisions, decisions...
I hate when that happens. Just when your mind is made up that happens.
I think I have my ship decided on, the Russian Pre-Dread Sissoy Velikiy. Now, do do her in white or black?
C|:-)
Maryland, United States
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Posted: Monday, October 06, 2008 - 11:03 AM UTC
I decided to go with one of my other choices of French builds and build the Charles Martel. I still wanna build the Dupuy de Lome sometime, but this way I've got a solid project in time- I made sure to call Mr. Gruner this time to confirm this was in stock.
With the Martel and her sisters, you can see the beginning of the design that developed into the Tsesarevitch and even the Borodino. Plus, by being a battleship, the Martel is a true pre-dread- as opposed to the de Lome, which as a cruiser, technically wasn't.
-------Dade =)
Works In Progress (Yikes!)... 1/250 Otaki IJN Musashi (since 2008!)... and whatever pops up to keep me from away from the Musashi... lol
#021
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Posted: Monday, October 06, 2008 - 12:41 PM UTC
hello all,
@Dade.
interesting choice,i have found very little in the books at my house (i have a full set of Jane's ships in storage,published in 1910 i think).can you tell me some of her history and ship/class data?thanks.
@Jim,
are you going to build her for the turn of the century?if so,some of the info i have on the paint colors were:black hull,white upper works,yellow funnels with black tops.not sure what the deck colors were,but i will keep looking.if you are going to build her for the Russia-Japanese War,she would have been painted all gray.hope this helps.
cheers,
Bruce
Fair Winds and Following Sea's, Always.
To my Friends, Death is as Light as a Feather, Duty is as Heavy as a Mountain.
I will all have my Hand on your Shoulder. Do not grieve for me I will allways be there for You.
Ohio, United States
Joined: June 04, 2005
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Posted: Monday, October 06, 2008 - 01:24 PM UTC
ahoy mates, thought you might like to see my scratchbuilt Knayaz Suvoroff. It's aproximately 1/100th scale. It was built behind the Iron Curtain 20 years ago or so and was a radio control battle ship which was able to fire BB's at an opposing vessel.
Gary
