hello Karol,
the ship you want to build is in the time line,but i think that the build would be better off in the WW1 Warship Campaign,which deals with anything to do with the WW1 Naval War.that campaign starts May 15,2009 and it is not that far away.i love the idea of your build,but with this campaign i am trying to show the grace and beauty of the PreDread ships.

but to be fair,i will let everyone decide if your build should be in this campaign,
please let me know what you think about this build?
cheers,
Bruce

Hi Bruce

Sorry, perhaps I should have been clearly in my original post; HMS Triumph is most definetely a pre-dred battleship.

She was originally commissioned for the Chilean Navy in 1901. Whilst fitting out (I think), it became clear that the original owners couldn't/ wouldn't be able to afford her (or her sister HMS Swiftsure). Consequently, the Admiralty quickly bought both ships for fear that they would be bought by either France or Imperial Russia. Both ships were very fast and well armed, for their time, and would have posed a (perceived) threat to the Royal Navy.

Sadly inspite of the hype, neither ship had a glorious career with the RN; they were classified as Second Class battleships and after a brief stint with the Channel Squadron were subsequently mothballed. HMS Triumph (strangely) ended up in the Far East, where she was finally given the opportunity to shine when war started. Her first stab at glory was the successful (but bloodless) capture of a German colony on the Chinese mainland. She would later be deployed to the Dardenelles (to bombard Turkish ground positions (forts)), which is where she met her end (sunk by an U-Boat).

I suggested (in my original post) building her during her 'final' days as I thought this might be interesting - there doesn't appear to be anything in the Build rules to prevent showing a pre-dred after 1905; as many served/ survived beyond 1905 that would be reasonable, don't you think? If you're unhappy with that I'm more than willing to build her in pre-1905 fit.

Please don't take this as any form of slight, or as an object history lesson - we can't expect you to know every warship commissioned during this period.

Cheers

Karol

Sorry Bruce

I should of mentioned - neither the Triumph nor the Swiftsure were substantially modified during the lives. The objective of maintaining the grace and beauty of pre-dreds (if that's not a contradiction) would still be met (I think).

Anyway, I'll let you guys decide.

Cheers

Karol

Triumph is certainly pre-dreadnought

Mike

Indeed, HMS Triumph justly qualifies for this campaign, gentlemen...but Bruce must make the final decision, as the campaign leader on this one...
~Gunny

That's cool with me

Cheers

Karol

hello all,
we have 3 for the idea.
i was hoping that this campaign would show the ships before the cold ,gray, impersonal warships that showcased most of the 20th century naval wars.
to me the Predread's were ship's of grace and beauty,the Victorian era of ship building.most have a mix of so many different calibers of guns,power plants,and new technology that would evolve into the Battleships,Aircraft Carriers,etc.
it was an age of the "little" War,Grand Naval Reviews with the colorful ships,a new Century of Hope.
i have read up on the HMS Triumph,and she does fit in the letter of the rules,but to me, the proposed dio is not in the spirit of the rules.
this is why i have reservations about Karol's build and think it would be better in the WW1 Warship campaign,but i will let the members decide if it is OK.and i will abide by their decision.
cheers,
Bruce

hello all,
7 days till the start of the campaign.i hope you are all ready!
@Karol,
with 3 for you proposed build,i am going to allow it.
cheers,
Bruce

Thanks Bruce - I hope that I can do the campaign justice.

Cheers

Karol

OK mates, we're like what, five days out from the start of this campaign?....and I have to tell you, I'm stoked...this campaign is a golden opportunity to bring to light these vessels, and discuss and learn about them as well throughought the various builds...I personally have been digging hard into my build research, and really enjoying it...almost there, mates!
~Gunny

I too am looking forward to this build. The more I study this time period of ships the more I fall in love with them. They are so unique and have so much personality. I am just hoping I can get my ship built and have it look decent. My build will be the USS Chicago. Of the recent Chicago’s recently shown, I have not been impressed with many of them.

So with that said, it will be soon time to start and I look forward to it!

This campaign will be interesting indeed.

The transition to steam and steel, the Spanish American War, the Russo-Japanese War, the gilded decor...as soon as my Pearl Harbor scene is completed the Iowa and Oregon are going on the ways!

--Karl

I have a question: is it poor cricket for me to start cutting the wood and staining it for my base? should I wait until Nov 1?

hello Jim,
it you are just doing the base,go ahead.

@everyone else,
i count 6 days till the start.i think that this is going to be a great campaign .
cheers,
Bruce

Aye Aye capn!

I'm looking forward to getting my Royal Sovereign. Unfortunately, my reference on this ship is limited to a few grainy photos. I'll look for guidance from the knowledgable folks here at MSW.

Frank

hello all,
4 days and counting.
cheers,
Bruce

Frank
Might be able to help you out, send me an email to [email protected]

Mike

Thanks Mike!

I'll e'mail you as soon as I get home tomorrow. My lovely wife called me just now with news that my latest package from PacificFront has arrived, included are 3 Jap. to Eng. Translation books, one Kongo reference book and... one Royal Sovereign resin kit!

I will have to order the GMM fine rails and the turned barrels this weekend.

Frank

hello all,
1 DAY,repeat,1 DAY TO Go.
i hope everyone is ready.
cheers,
Bruce

I'll take a look at my references for you, Frank, but you could get the R A Burt "British Battleships 189- - 1905" book frm the library to have it fisrt hand - don't go without it.

pm me for further info.

Cheers,

Peter F

hello all,
Saturday is the start of the Predreadnought Campaign,and Mark(Gunny)is going to start a sticky thread for the campaign.i am encouraging all of you to post your updates on this sticky.if you wish,go ahead a start your own BLOG,but with the year long campaign going on your BLOG might get lost in the shuffle.
here's to a great campaign
cheers,
Bruce