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Posted: Monday, October 06, 2008 - 07:36 PM UTC
Howdy Bruce,

Info taken from The World Encyclopedia of Battleships:

The Charles Martel Class consisted of 4 ships, with differences among each. First French battleships to be armored with nickel plate steel. The basic hull was the same but the superstructure/ bridge and weapons complements varied. They all more or less were like so:

Length: 378 feet
Displacement: 11,881 tons

Main Weapons:
2 x 12" (one forward center line turret, one aft)
2 x 10.8" (one per large waist turret on each side)
6 x 5.5"

Secondary Weapons:
4 x 9 pdr
12-18 x 3 pdr
2 x 18" torpedo tubes

Speed:
18 knots

Crew:
644

The Charles Martel was commissioned in 1896 and was decommissioned in 1914, struck 1919.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 07:52 AM UTC
hello all,
@Gary,
cool looking RC,do you send her out on missions anymore?thanks for the Photo.

@Dade,
thanks for the info,i could not find anything about her in the books i have at home.

to all that signed up,we have 24 days till the start of the campaign,so are you ready?
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 08:47 AM UTC
Bruce,

I think I am going to go with how she looked in 1897 when she visited Toulon. The 1905 Port Arthur photo sure looks white, but I guess light greyis close(B/W photos)

Anyway, do you have a color drawing for the black scheme, or can you tell me your srouce?

Thanks!

I found this one of her in a white/grey color scheme.



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Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 10:15 AM UTC
Received confirmation from Mr. Gruner today that my Combrig 700th HMS Royal Sovereign (1891) is in the mail. I just hope this model isn't above my abilities! It's a great looking ship.

Photos and text taken from Wikipedia,





Displacement: 14,190 tons
15,580 tons full load
Length: 410 feet 5 inches (125.1 m) o/a
Beam: 75 ft (23 m)
Draught: 27 ft 6 in (8.4 m)
Propulsion: Twin coal-fired Humphreys & Tennant 3-cylinder triple-expansion steam engines
two screws
9000ihp
Speed: 15.7 knots
Range: Carried 350 tons coal (780 tons max)
190 tons fuel oil
Complement: 712
Armament: 4 × BL 13.5-inch (342.9 mm) guns (2 × 2)
10 × QF 6-inch (152.4 mm) guns (10 × 1)
10 × 6 pdr (10 × 1)
12 × 3 pdr (12 × 1)


6 × 18 in Torpedo Tubes (4 above water, 2 underwater)
Armour: Belt 18 in (457 mm) compound Deck 3 in (76 mm) Turret 17 in (432 mm)

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Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 12:12 PM UTC
Nice one Frank. I have it on my written list to get. I like to keep that type of a stash. It fits in my desk drawer that way.

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Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 12:54 PM UTC

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Bruce,

I think I am going to go with how she looked in 1897 when she visited Toulon. The 1905 Port Arthur photo sure looks white, but I guess light greyis close(B/W photos)

Anyway, do you have a color drawing for the black scheme, or can you tell me your srouce?

Thanks!

I found this one of her in a white/grey color scheme.




hello Jim,
i do not have any color plates for her in the Russian turn of the Century colors. the info i found was in this book:
Jane's Battleships of the 20th Century
by: Bernard Ireland
published:1996
if you want i can and see if the books in the storage unit has a color plate of the Russian ship colors,but i do not think i have any on the Russian Navy before WW1.
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 02:53 PM UTC
I'm on the list for IHP's 1/700 USS Connecticut. I' going to build it as the Louisiana.

Kenny

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Posted: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 - 12:12 AM UTC
Bruce,
Thats OK. I can work with the colors you gave me and the photos I have.

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Posted: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 - 06:13 AM UTC

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hello all,
@Gary,
cool looking RC,do you send her out on missions anymore?thanks for the Photo.

Bruce


Sadly it doesn't go out on missions anymore. For me it's a static display model but its big and in a case in my home. I can just imagine those guys years ago with these monster models in a pond somewhere firing shells at each other. Fantastic!!!

Thanks,

Gary
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Posted: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 - 08:47 AM UTC
hello all,
@Jim,
it is no problem if you want me to check.one of these days i going to write a master list of the books in the unit,so i know what is there.
@Kenny,
sounds good,i hope the crew will not be gators .
@Gary,
i saw a web site about a year ago that has photo's of RC boats in ponds fighting it out.but when my system crashed i lost the site and i have not been able to find it again.the photo's were great,one showed a 1/250 Bismark sinking after a 1/250 Hood blew her away.

OK,we have 23 days till the start of the campaign,so lets get ready.
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 08:27 PM UTC
I've reached my decision, and my choice is.....................1 min pause.......................OSYLABYA!

1:700 Combrig pre-dred BB.

Cheers,

Peter F
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Posted: Friday, October 10, 2008 - 12:29 AM UTC
Peter,

Nice choice, that is a good looking ship.

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Posted: Friday, October 10, 2008 - 07:21 AM UTC

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@Gary,
i saw a web site about a year ago that has photo's of RC boats in ponds fighting it out.but when my system crashed i lost the site and i have not been able to find it again.the photo's were great,one showed a 1/250 Bismark sinking after a 1/250 Hood blew her away.



This is interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys-E1iGMDbM

Cheers, Gary
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Posted: Friday, October 10, 2008 - 08:22 AM UTC

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I've reached my decision, and my choice is.....................1 min pause.......................OSYLABYA!

1:700 Combrig Pre-Dred BB.

Cheers,

Peter F

hello Peter,
great choice,she looks like an interesting build.

ok campaign members,we have 21 days to kick off of this campaign.i hope all of you are ready.
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Friday, October 10, 2008 - 03:48 PM UTC
I have my entry and required upgrades ready to go:
Zvezda Knyaz Survorov, GMM photo etch, BMK barrels and funnels.....
I will cut her hull down to try my hand at water effects. This is my first campaign, and my second ship.....I have started the HMS Edinburgh to practice for this campaign,and Im really looking foreward to it...
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Posted: Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 08:07 AM UTC

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Received confirmation from Mr. Gruner today that my Combrig 700th HMS Royal Sovereign (1891) is in the mail. I just hope this model isn't above my abilities! It's a great looking ship.



Hi Frank
I'm going to do that one too, I would recommend the brass barrels from BMK by the way. Just be aware that if you want to do the kit accurately, you have to make some changes to the gun ports if you want to do her in the Victorian scheme shown in the photo

Mike
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Posted: Saturday, October 11, 2008 - 08:19 AM UTC

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Bruce,

Any chance of doing a 1/700 IJN light cruiser the Shinano Maru?


hello Harry,
the rules state that you may build any Warship 1866-1905.the Shinano Maru was a merchant ship before the IJN took here over and made her an aux cruiser.
but with her famous history (first IJN ship to find the Russian Fleet) i am going to allow it.
cheers,
Bruce


Okay, I am in with the Shinano. I don't have any instructions, but I think I can manage
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2008 - 09:46 AM UTC

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Hi Frank
I'm going to do that one too, I would recommend the brass barrels from BMK by the way. Just be aware that if you want to do the kit accurately, you have to make some changes to the gun ports if you want to do her in the Victorian scheme shown in the photo

Mike


Thanks for the suggestions Mike, are there any photos of her in other (non Victorian) schemes?

Frank
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Posted: Monday, October 13, 2008 - 11:45 AM UTC

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Hi Frank
I'm going to do that one too, I would recommend the brass barrels from BMK by the way. Just be aware that if you want to do the kit accurately, you have to make some changes to the gun ports if you want to do her in the Victorian scheme shown in the photo

Mike


Thanks for the suggestions Mike, are there any photos of her in other (non Victorian) schemes?

Frank


I've now been told that there is some opinion that RS was in victorian scheme before the armoured casemates were added, so now I'm not sure what to believe!

Mike
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Posted: Thursday, October 16, 2008 - 07:52 PM UTC
hello all,
14 days and counting,are you ready?
cheers
Bruce
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Posted: Thursday, October 16, 2008 - 08:15 PM UTC

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hello all,
14 days and counting,are you ready?
cheers
Bruce


AYE AYE SIR!

I've found the kit in one of my stash boxes, and requested information form various shipmates. I'll have to pick up the Askold pe at Telford but otherwise my first phase is always research, and finding the best pose fo rthe scenario.

I've also chosen the white hull version as the black tends to hind detail at photographic stage - which in this case will be continuous.

Happy modelling everyone!

Peter F
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Posted: Friday, October 17, 2008 - 12:33 AM UTC

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hello all,
14 days and counting,are you ready?
cheers
Bruce



I was all ready for my build until I took out the Sisoy Velikiy and noticed the instructions really are bad. They do not point out which oart is which nor is are the locations pointed out all the well. The other ship I had thought about was built in 1915, so she is out.

BUT!!! I do have Combrigs USS Olympia and Chicago that have been bugging me to build, so all is not lost.

One way or another I will get something built!

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Posted: Friday, October 17, 2008 - 05:08 AM UTC
Good point re: the black hull hiding photo details,Peter f ...I never thought of that....seeing as how Im doing Knyaz Survurov ......Ill have to think about this some more...
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Posted: Friday, October 17, 2008 - 06:55 AM UTC
hello all,
it looks like alot of research and thought has been done for this campaign.
@Peter,
it looks like you are going to do one of you amazing builds for this campaign,i cannot wait to see it.
@Jim,
i have seen alot of models of the Olympia,but none of the Chicago.i am hoping you will do the Chicago.but it is up to you.are you going to do your build as the great white fleet or for the Spanish-American War?
as all of you know ,i am building my first resin model and it is a Torpedo boat in 1/192.it is not in the class that all of you all are doing,but i think it will be interesting.
OK,14 days and counting.
cheers,
Bruce
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Posted: Saturday, October 18, 2008 - 12:12 AM UTC
Hi Guys

Long time no see...

It's been a long spring, summer and early autumn - house-move related home improvements have kept me away from modelling; hence my no-show on the post-war destroyer and 20th century cruiser builds, sorry.

However, things are looking up, my wife and I are now settled here in Surrey and my fantasy workspace is nearing completion. So, I'm planning to join my shipmates on this build. I hope to go with Kombrig's HMS Triumph c.1915 just before she was sunk in the Dardanelles strait. Looking forward to this one - my first fleet exercise here at MSW.

Cheers

Karol

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