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KrokoHunter
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Posted: Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 08:31 AM UTC
Looking through Dave's and Kym's Akagi-threads to plan my own build. There are a couple of obstacles .. or at least challenges.

1. I'm considering to make a waterline-version, but have no experience with waterbases. The reason I'd like to make a waterbase, is that I'd really like to fill the deck with planes and figures, and to my eye, that just looks wrong on a full hull kit (the people at least)...

But before I'll start slashing the hull, I'll try to make some experiments with waterbases .. because I'd hate to slash such and expensive kit, and then not be able to make a base that would do it justice.

So my build will propably start with some water-experiments, and until I'm satisfied with my waterbases, I have to figure what I can build, before cutting the hull.

Furthermore I don't have all the PE yet (actually I only have the Super Detail Set) .. so I also have to figure out what I can build, without making it impossible to attach the PE later on ... or simply wait until I have the other PE sets. (I guess the deck-underside girder inferno would be a plausible start).

I hope to have the remaining PE at the end of January or medio February .. and the wooden when I can't postpone it any more
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 11:06 AM UTC
Hey, Niels, before making any waterline cuts on your Akagi, try this for a water base for a full hull model:

1. Use foam core sheet as the base.
2. Apply lengths of balsa or basswood to the underside in a criss-cross manner to stiffen the sheet and keep it flat.
3. Apply balsa or basswood along the underside edges of the foam core sheet to serve as a foundation on which to affix a painted or stained wooden border around the base.
4. Take your Akagi hull and surround it with flat objects that are as high as the distance from the model's keel to the waterline.
5. Using strips of card stock or other stiff paper, lay them on the objects, having the edge of the paper strip touch the hull.
6. Overlay more strips in a similar manner and tape them over one another. Do this all the way around the model's hull and you will eventually produce a hole surrounded by the overlapping strips that will conform exactly to the model's waterline.
7. When you have finished surrounding the hull with the strips, pull the hull up and away and use the hole as a tracing pattern for the placement of the model on the foam core base.
8. Cut out the hole in the foam core and test fit the hull to make trims.
9. I use modeling paste from art stores to form a water base and spread it over the foam core. Keeping my fingers very wet, I dab them around the still-soft paste, making wavelets. Allow to dry and use paper glue to fill in any cracks that form as the paste sets.
10. Paint the water with tube paints or model paints as you see fit.
11. Install the completed model into the hole on the water base made earlier and glue into place. Paint wake effects and install the wooden base around the edges of the base.

Producing water dioramas with full hull models in this way keeps the model structurally sound and avoids the hassles of making lengthy cuts on a fine model and the frequent problem of having the bow and stern lifting up above the water level. It also offers the advantages of showing as much or little of the hull just below the waterline as when a ship turns or the bow rises out of the sea at high speed.

Good luck!

--Karl
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Posted: Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 11:56 AM UTC
I recall having seen someone cutting the hull, putting some bigger sized clear sheet inbetween and glueing it back together - displaying a full diorama with clear underwater feature and visible hull.

If I had the link IŽd have given it it to you but I lost many bookmarks upon my last computer crash.

The dioramas looked very interesting with underwater action - if I recall right there was a dio with a sub and some depth charges to their way below.
This demanded much effort and dedication on the modelers site though.
Also some special clear foil. Sturdy enough to hold the upper part of the ship but soft enough to model the waves.
The result was well worth the effort.

Maybe someone recalls where he saw something like that and may provide the link.


Edit:
I did not figure the site showing what I referred to but at least I found a site showing sort of the idea even without cutting the hull: Click: Jorge Martinez Yamato full hull a/b diorama
KrokoHunter
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Posted: Monday, December 07, 2009 - 10:14 PM UTC

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Hey, Niels, before making any waterline cuts on your Akagi, try this for a water base for a full hull model:

1. Use foam core sheet as the base.
2. Apply lengths of balsa or basswood to the underside in a criss-cross manner to stiffen the sheet and keep it flat.
3. Apply balsa or basswood along the underside edges of the foam core sheet to serve as a foundation on which to affix a painted or stained wooden border around the base.
4. Take your Akagi hull and surround it with flat objects that are as high as the distance from the model's keel to the waterline.
5. Using strips of card stock or other stiff paper, lay them on the objects, having the edge of the paper strip touch the hull.
6. Overlay more strips in a similar manner and tape them over one another. Do this all the way around the model's hull and you will eventually produce a hole surrounded by the overlapping strips that will conform exactly to the model's waterline.
7. When you have finished surrounding the hull with the strips, pull the hull up and away and use the hole as a tracing pattern for the placement of the model on the foam core base.
8. Cut out the hole in the foam core and test fit the hull to make trims.
9. I use modeling paste from art stores to form a water base and spread it over the foam core. Keeping my fingers very wet, I dab them around the still-soft paste, making wavelets. Allow to dry and use paper glue to fill in any cracks that form as the paste sets.
10. Paint the water with tube paints or model paints as you see fit.
11. Install the completed model into the hole on the water base made earlier and glue into place. Paint wake effects and install the wooden base around the edges of the base.

Producing water dioramas with full hull models in this way keeps the model structurally sound and avoids the hassles of making lengthy cuts on a fine model and the frequent problem of having the bow and stern lifting up above the water level. It also offers the advantages of showing as much or little of the hull just below the waterline as when a ship turns or the bow rises out of the sea at high speed.

Good luck!

--Karl



Hey Karl

Thanks for you advice ... actually I'd already considered that method .. but for some reason I'd forgotten that ..... I'm very inspired by Guido's way of making water, so I think I'll try to experiment with that, combined with the procedures you mentioned.
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 07:52 AM UTC
Good luck, Neils! I look forward to seeing what your combined method produces.

--Karl
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Posted: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 - 08:00 PM UTC
Hi, Nils!
I certainly recommedn to you to leave the hull intact, for the same reasons a Karl did. Another efect is that you can show a more natural wake, which always will make some parts of the hull underneath the waterline visible due to drag.
Since you have plenty of time while waiting for the PE to arrive, you can start with the waterbase and allow yourself 2-3 approaches to get the look you like.
Cheers,
Guido
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Posted: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 12:14 AM UTC

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Guys,

I think I'm leaning towards Enterprise using the Trumpy 1/350 Hornet, but as mentioned above I've already glued the hull bottom and top together, filled the bow with resin, and ground it down to a little more correct shape. Is it cheating to use this kit if I don't do anything else to it before January?

Thanks, really starting to look forward to it!

Michael


Do you have a carrier that hasn't been started yet that you could enter the campaign?
MichaelSatin
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Posted: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 02:53 AM UTC

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Do you have a carrier that hasn't been started yet that you could enter the campaign?



Well, I do have a Yankee Modelworks Gambier Bay that I was planning to do as the Guadalcanal (complete with U-505!). That would be cool

My only problem is that the Guadalcanal seemed to have a pole mast foward of the island that the GB didn't have, so it's not in the kit. Can anyone give me some guidance on what that was for and what it looked like?

I think this may be the ticket, and different too!

Michael
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Posted: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 07:50 AM UTC
Who is excited for this campaign to start? (raises hand)

I'm chomp'n at the bit to get going. Going to do a 1:700 IJN Akagi as on December 7, 1941. I have about every sheet of Lion Roar and Flyhawk PE sheet and set under the sun I've been stockpiling for this build. I might start a month or more into the campaign, I'd like to finish a scratchbuild Kitakami first before diving into this.

Still excited for the build though.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 08:03 AM UTC
I know I'm ready for the start. I have a marathon Gato build going on right now and I could use a change of pace. I have a 1/350 hornet, GMM hanger detail PE, Resin hanger detail, and Gator mask for the Hornet. Some more PE to be ordered and I'll be ready.

Hopefully a hornet plan book from maryland silver co. for the holidays
TheDiggs
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Posted: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 - 02:19 PM UTC
Michael, I would go with the Guadalcanal for this campaign. I see what you mean about the mast. I would end up scratch building it since the opportunity to kitbash it probably wouldn't present itself.

I will do the baby flattop Bogue as soon as I finish a campaign over on the scratch builders site. I have had to slap my hand a few times to keep it out of the Bogue's box. I am sure that kit feels like a piece of meat the way I stare at it .
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Posted: Thursday, December 10, 2009 - 03:35 AM UTC
i'm in 1/350 CV-12 Hornet needs to be rebuilted.
ejhammer
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 04:44 AM UTC
Never did a group build before but I think I'll give it a go. Got a vintage Revell ESSEX kit that was given to me by my son as a Christmas gift a couple years ago. After 45 years of not modeling, I've been doing research and honing my skills on various time periods and scales of ESSEX CV, CVA, CVS-9. Been saving the Revell kit (scb-125 angle deck) til I re-develop my skills cause I don't want to screw it up. That was the ship as I served on her in the sixties. I think I'm ready. Got the kit, some PE, lots of pics and hopefully enough skill to do this right.

EJ
CaptSonghouse
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 06:31 AM UTC
Got my Morskie profile of HMS Eagle yesterday and looks like she'll be a good build in 1:350--does anymore make Spitfires in that scale?

--Karl
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 07:01 AM UTC

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Never did a group build before but I think I'll give it a go. Got a vintage Revell ESSEX kit that was given to me by my son as a Christmas gift a couple years ago. After 45 years of not modeling, I've been doing research and honing my skills on various time periods and scales of ESSEX CV, CVA, CVS-9. Been saving the Revell kit (scb-125 angle deck) til I re-develop my skills cause I don't want to screw it up. That was the ship as I served on her in the sixties. I think I'm ready. Got the kit, some PE, lots of pics and hopefully enough skill to do this right.

EJ



Welcome Eugene!
Good luck and let us see some your ongoing project in time!
Guido
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 07:21 AM UTC
Hey guys, mind if I join in the fun with a 1/700 Trumpeter USS Hornet CV-8 loaded up with B-25s?
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Posted: Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 04:24 PM UTC
Hi everyone,
room for a 1/700 Shinano? I'll try and get my hands on the Eduard PE as well. Does anyone know if there is there anything else out there for this kit that's worth the $$?

I recently built my first ship, which just happened to be a flat top as well - 1/700 Essex. I found the number of small 20mm AA to be a bit of a . The final result looked ok from a distance. I'd like to build one that looked good from much closer - and practice makes perfect so I was told.
Paul
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 03:02 AM UTC
Welcome Paul and Scott, glad to have you both aboard. I looked around for 1/350 spitfires and came up empty I'm afraid.
Spiff
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Posted: Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 05:29 AM UTC
Thanks David, I can't wait for the build to start!
LeftyBeerleg
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2009 - 12:29 AM UTC
Hi guys, I'm new to this site and I'd like to contribute a 1/700 Tamiya USS Enterprise to this group build.
ejhammer
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Posted: Monday, December 21, 2009 - 02:40 AM UTC
I just realized - the campaign is for WWII flattops. The kit I proposed to build is of ESSEX, but in her SCB-125 configuration as she was when I served on her. Would this still be considered for entry? She was the first new carrier to go to the Pacific after Pearl.

EJ
TheDiggs
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Posted: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 04:06 AM UTC
It would be better if your build was as she looked in WWII, but I don't see a reason to be a stickler about it. Since she served in WWII I say she is good to go.
Spiff
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Posted: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 10:20 AM UTC
Any chance we can start our build during the Holidays? I'm going to have a lot of free time on my hands the next week or two....
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Posted: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 07:40 PM UTC

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Any chance we can start our build during the Holidays? I'm going to have a lot of free time on my hands the next week or two....



I support the notion!
I think many of us have a few hours at hand within the next days. Can we put that to a majority vote?
I say : Yea

Happy holidays!

Guido
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Posted: Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 02:15 AM UTC

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Any chance we can start our build during the Holidays? I'm going to have a lot of free time on my hands the next week or two....



I support the notion!
I think many of us have a few hours at hand within the next days. Can we put that to a majority vote?
I say : Yea

Happy holidays!

Guido



Here, here!!! I'm all over that!

Michael