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Gremlin56
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Posted: Saturday, July 09, 2011 - 07:48 PM UTC
I still have the Independence in my stash, looking forward to that as well. The Gambier Bay: did you get all the additional PE sets?
As far as the colours used for my Arizona, I am using shades from the Lifecolors sets. The grey shade I chose was the lightest grey, (Navy grey 5), a couple of the other greys have a greenish tinge that didn't look too good in combination with the blue.
As I mentioned before this thread you are participating in is a mine of information:
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=12942
Prevented me from going completely crazy and adding the concentration dials and the 1/200 20mm Oerlikons I bought

Cheers,
Julian
Gremlin56
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 12:45 AM UTC
July 10th update:
First crewmen have enlisted for duty aboard the Arizona. The 50" launches are nearly ready for fitting:




The detailing on the launches and tenders is excellent.
cheers,
Julian
MartinJQuinn
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 04:03 AM UTC
Great looking build, Julian!
Gremlin56
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 07:33 AM UTC
Thank you very much Martin,
cheers,
Julian
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 08:09 PM UTC
Nice and clean build - its amazing what scale 1:200 does for details.

Are you going to give it a bit of wash to bring out the details a bit ?

Cheers/Jan
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Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 09:17 PM UTC
Great work Julian, The detail really stands out in 1:200.

Si
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2011 - 12:31 AM UTC
Fantastic job so far Julian. I am very happy that you were able to find some E-Z-Line and you enjoy working with it.....Cheers Mark
Gremlin56
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2011 - 06:25 AM UTC
Hi Jan,
yes, 1/200 is great for details but sucks for storage I would love to see more destroyers or maybe even cruisers in 1/200th though
I will have to add some washes at some stage. The metal decks I have already done with the ubiquitous burnt sienna wash. I am thinking of doing the rest with a black wash and then a brownish wash. Would you recommend that or maybe something else?
cheers,
Julian
Gremlin56
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2011 - 06:27 AM UTC
Thanks Simon, the detailing is good here for the price! Trumpeter did a nice job on the molds.
Julian
Gremlin56
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2011 - 06:29 AM UTC
Hi Mark,
the EZ-line is every bit as good as you said this will be a most necessary workbench asset.
cheers mate !
Julian
MrMox
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2011 - 10:24 AM UTC
I think a black wash is way too harsh - maybe a grayish/brownish tone.

Cheers/Jan
Gremlin56
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Posted: Monday, July 11, 2011 - 07:02 PM UTC
Thanks Jan, I'll try that,
cheers,
Julian
Gremlin56
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Posted: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 06:37 AM UTC
July 12th update:
As Jan advised I have added a couple of grey and brown washes to pick out the details:

Feedback is welcome here
I have started painting the main decks now. The oil on the poop deck still has te be removed:



All for now,
Julian
DutchBird
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Posted: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 09:50 AM UTC
She is starting to look like a ship now....

and, to be honest, somewhat attractive, even though I somehow find her an 'ugly' ship, as far as lines go...

A good number of ships have much more graceful lines IMHO...

Looking forward to the next update...

Harm
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Posted: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 11:42 AM UTC
There are certainly sleeker ships, but I find her to be a nice blend between the pre-dreadnaught era, dreadnaught era, and later times. You get the ram bow, superfiring turrets, and a superstructure that's not just big blocks.
Gremlin56
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Posted: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 - 06:51 PM UTC
Good morning Harm, Tracy,
A sleek greyhound the Arizona is not She seems excessively wide for her length. She does make and interesting subject though and I can't believe that someone out there will not backdate the model to show off the Arizona's "Dreadnought roots". (Lattice work masts, concentration dials, lighter AAA and with torpedo tubes still fitted). On the other hand you could move forward and try and model the Pennsylvania complete with 20mm AAA, gunshields, radar etc.
Plenty of room to tinker around here if you are so inclined.
Julian
Gremlin56
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Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 04:52 AM UTC
Just a small update: Doing some test fitting, also proceeding with the next tiers of boat skids:






Julian
TracyWhite
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Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 03:55 PM UTC
Given the problems with the lower hull, cutting off the blister and back-dating her may be easier than fixing it... but Arizona is my favorite and as a Pearl Harbor historian her 1941 fit is the one I'm aiming for. I have a research trip this October to see if I can solve the color mystery, but if not I'm doing her in the prewar scheme as of Jan-May 1941.

I like the way your decks look, by the way.
Gremlin56
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Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 06:57 PM UTC
Thanks Tracy, the deck is a bit too yellowish at the moment but that will "fade" a bit when all the bits and pieces on deck get painted.
In retrospect it might have been a better idea to use a light grey for the hull and superstructure, easier to weather and wash too. No going back now though
Cheers,
Julian
Gremlin56
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Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 07:04 PM UTC
Small update:




Cheers
Julian
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Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 08:47 PM UTC
Looking good Julian!

I guess that being a peacetime finish, it would look quite clean and well kept ? would the muzzles be covered - is that US navy rules ?

Cheers/jan
Gremlin56
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Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 - 09:05 PM UTC
Good morning Jan,
The appearance of the pre-war Arizona topsides in photos is without exemption squeaky clean, the underwater ship is a different story so I'll probably try the effect I used on the Fletcher again.
In most photos the barrels are plugged with a tampion, generally with some sort of emblem on it. Plugging the barrels sort of ruins the idea of buying brass barrels with nice detailed muzzles though.........................
cheers,
Julian


From Wikipedia:

A tampion is a wooden plug, or a metal, canvas, rubber or plastic cover, for the muzzle of a gun. They can be found on both land based artillery and naval guns. However, the naval tampions have developed into works of art.

Although the cannons of ships of the line were protected as they were retracted inside the ships, many smaller vessels had exposed gundecks which required a plug to protect inside of the barrels. Later, the invention of mobile gun turrets meant that all guns were constantly exposed to water. Hence, when not in use, naval guns were protected by wooden, and later rubber muzzle plugs. Typically, rubber and plastic tampions can be shot through in case of an emergency. Plastic tampions are normally designed to be expelled by the build-up of pressure in the barrel as the first shell is fired.

Over time, tampions were embossed or engraved with the arms of the unit, and they became collector's items. Nowadays, even warships that typically would not carry heavy guns, such as submarines, have their own badges in the shape of a tampion.
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 06:15 AM UTC
everytime i look at this i regret not picking her up for $100 at the Squadron OPen House Memorial Day weekend. Truely a magnificent kit. Sure would be nice if they went back and redid the 350 scale version to these standards
Gremlin56
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 07:00 AM UTC
How about the USS Independence light carrier or a jeep carrier in 1/200? would give just that little bit more room for detail.................
Julian
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Posted: Thursday, July 14, 2011 - 08:28 AM UTC
Just a thought, take it for what it is... While the ship would be pretty pristine, I have been thinking, that it might result in a somewhat dull finish as a model - 2 suggestions:

1) paint the larger "panels" in different nuances of gray - just to ad some visual effect - like a slightly darker gray down by the waterline, and make it lighter upwards on the hull.

2) give the paint some tonal effects by using a "oil-dot" wash.

Cheers/Jan