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Posted: Friday, October 18, 2013 - 08:33 PM UTC

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Nice catch! Seem to be more S-100's gathering here than Vospers Understandable though IMHO, OOB the Vosper is amazingly unimpressive with feeble weaponry. The S-100 is big beefy, well armed vessel that looks like a pub brawler.
I rest my case


The Vosper looks fast with its tapered planform etc. The S-100 looks like a normal boat just sitting there..

Never give up, never surrender!! I will fight to the last torpedo in my Vosper's tubes!!
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Posted: Friday, October 18, 2013 - 11:37 PM UTC
Yeah, well................. With just two torpedoes and no reloads it will not be a prolonged conflict methinks
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 01:33 AM UTC
Vosper or Schnellboote, what can I say, they ain't an Elco! Now that's a great looking boat with a lot of guns, 'nough said! Al
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 02:40 AM UTC
Yes, saw that one in my stash grinning at me when I put my Hornet into storage
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 06:44 AM UTC

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Vosper or Schnellboote, what can I say, they ain't an Elco! Now that's a great looking boat with a lot of guns, 'nough said! Al


You are 100% correct there Al! But this is Channel Adversaries, or I suppose there were many channels inhabited by the awesome Elcos. I too have that one in the stash. Cabinet will look great with all these MTBs!

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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 07:09 AM UTC
While more noted for their exploits in the Pacific, the Elco boats also operated in the Channel, particularly on the 6th of June, 1944. Al
warreni
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 08:11 AM UTC
Yes, that is why I added the last bit!
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 10:16 AM UTC
Hi Julian,

Any pointers as to how you go about your weathering... it certainly looks realistic

Cheers Kev
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 06:30 PM UTC
Hi Kev, mainly a question of slowly building up the effects with small dots of oilpaint blended in with artists spirit. Don't rush things and don't expect to be finished in 30 minutes. The Vosper has taken about 3 afternoons to get this far weathering wise and I am still not 100% happy. The longer streaks are made with an airbrush and Tamiya smoke and the green mossy waterline,(that certianly needs scraping by the crew), is done with AK slimey green, (light and dark). The exhaust stains are made with Vallejo smoke which has a brownish tinge. More patience than rocket science. I also did some oversprays with parts I wasn't happy with, just mask the area around it and remove the evidence Just trying to produce a well worked Vosper in need of good washing down outboard and not a "Pireaus harbour rust bucket".
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 07:28 PM UTC
Thanks Julian,
That should get me on the right track.

Weathering is one of the reasons I've not posted for a while.
Been playing with your spot oil washes and have managed to get a subtly discoloured deck. Now working on the lighter greys.

Cheers Kev
warreni
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 08:05 PM UTC
I found these two photos of an MTB towing an S boot..


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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 08:20 PM UTC
Are you sure it's a Vosper doing the towing?
The S-boat looks a bit rough and in need of care
Is that a Fairmile with an American radar fitted alongside the S-boat.
Great photos though Warren,Daniel will be very chuffed with this weathered Schnelboot,
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 08:22 PM UTC
Someone will give more detail, but they look like late model Fairmile D 'Dogboats' in the Med, & a similar size to the S-boat
Pic 1 top boat, has a US radar fit, & possibly a vickers 2pdr(?) founted forward, and the other has a semi-auto-loader 6pdr mounted aft,
Pic 2, boat 670 has the semi-auto-loader 6pdr mounted aft, probably the same boat in pic one.

Interesting pics, scruffy hard-worked boats & crew in Whites, possibly post-armistice?
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 08:51 PM UTC

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Are you sure it's a Vosper doing the towing?
The S-boat looks a bit rough and in need of care
Is that a Fairmile with an American radar fitted alongside the S-boat.
Great photos though Warren,Daniel will be very chuffed with this weathered Schnelboot,


I did type MTB, not Vosper..
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 08:53 PM UTC

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Someone will give more detail, but they look like late model Fairmile D 'Dogboats' in the Med, & a similar size to the S-boat
Pic 1 top boat, has a US radar fit, & possibly a vickers 2pdr(?) founted forward, and the other has a semi-auto-loader 6pdr mounted aft,
Pic 2, boat 670 has the semi-auto-loader 6pdr mounted aft, probably the same boat in pic one.

Interesting pics, scruffy hard-worked boats & crew in Whites, possibly post-armistice?


Yes, it is the same boat in both pictures. I know it is not a Vosper unless it is a 2/3 scale S-Boot...
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 09:01 PM UTC
The boat doing the towing is definitely a Fairmile 'D'. Both MTBs and MGBs in the Med were often fitted with US radar and worked with Elco boats on Combined Ops (Source - "Motor Gunboat 658" by L.C.Reynolds). The crew in whites shows that the pic was taken in the Med.

Re. weathering. Coastal Forces craft were hardworked, but mostly at night. On returning to harbour, crew would be fed and then allowed to sleep. Next morning the duty watch would be put to 'clean ship'. Wear and tear yes, dirt and untidy ropes etc a big NO! (Source as above)
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 09:03 PM UTC

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Are you sure it's a Vosper doing the towing?
The S-boat looks a bit rough and in need of care
Is that a Fairmile with an American radar fitted alongside the S-boat.
Great photos though Warren,Daniel will be very chuffed with this weathered Schnelboot,


I did type MTB, not Vosper..


You did, my mistake
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 09:06 PM UTC
Now that would be an impressive addition to the 1/35th scale MTB's
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Posted: Saturday, October 19, 2013 - 09:25 PM UTC
How about a Vosper for just $2 postage...
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Posted: Sunday, October 20, 2013 - 03:16 AM UTC
October 20th update:
The result of some pottering around in the wheelhouse. None of this will be clearly visible when the wheelhouse is closed up, makes you wonder why we bother :






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Posted: Sunday, October 20, 2013 - 04:11 AM UTC
I must admit I'm surprised the Griffon etched set doesn't address the missing steps leading below decks.

Not that its all that obvious but as they supply so much else for the wheelhouse interior its an odd omission.

Guess its scratchbuilding time after all then.

C'est la vie.
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Posted: Sunday, October 20, 2013 - 04:23 AM UTC
Knock yourself out Les, in the closed wheelhouse this will stick out like a sore thumb
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Posted: Sunday, October 20, 2013 - 07:05 AM UTC

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I must admit I'm surprised the Griffon etched set doesn't address the missing steps leading below decks.

Not that its all that obvious but as they supply so much else for the wheelhouse interior its an odd omission.

Guess its scratchbuilding time after all then.

C'est la vie.


Where are they located? If they are in the wheelhouse you have one small door that goes into the wheelhouse and you can see stuff all through that. I also wonder why I bothered with all the detail work in the wheelhouse when you can't even see it when it is finished.
Oh well...
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Posted: Sunday, October 20, 2013 - 07:08 AM UTC
First. To congratulate my friend Warren on his economic buys. Now if you will be able to construct a real S-Boot .. Have elegant friend you will have one bounce devilishly of 44 knuts, armed up to the teeth, with armored structure and endowment of 29 crew trained in it fights of dogs

For reading very much ... I do not remember where ... but there was treating himself about an interview to some commander of MTB who submitted to tests of managing and assault on board of a Schnellboot after the end of the WWII .... in summarized .... remain impressed with the managing and capacities from these to big speeds stability to the moment of the combat, which for his low figure they were almost invisible helped for his 4to engine of 100 cv for managing seal allowing to approach his dams in the night without being overdrafts.

A photo very interesting Warren!! The S.boat is the S-61 of 3 flotilla emphasized in the Mediterranean and at the end of 43 in the Adriatic Sea ... possibly this photo is in surrender port of Acona Italy .

Lamentably it had not time them to give him a lick of paint to his ship to deliver it in conditions.....

Regards Daniel
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Posted: Sunday, October 20, 2013 - 07:18 AM UTC
Hello Daniel.

I am pretty sure the Captain of the S-Boot would have liked to surrender his craft in tip top condition, but a lack of everything probably meant he was being towed into port because of something failing or just plain running out of fuel.

If/when my S-Boot finally arrives I will be doing mine as a museum boat, very little to no weathering.

Your boat is looking fantastic as usual with your builds.

Would love it if Italeri released a Russian torpedo boat or two..

Cheers
Warren

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