Bob,
I can't find a plan for MTB77, but I think that small hatch right in the bow would be for the anchor cable rather than the mooring line. If so then I reckon it would be lined with ply the same as the rest of the compartments. The cable (actually a thick rope) would be neatly coiled inside when it was fed down as the anchor was raised - the last thing you need on a boat is a fouled (tangled) line!
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Posted: Thursday, December 26, 2013 - 08:21 PM UTC
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Bob,
I can't find a plan for MTB77, but I think that small hatch right in the bow would be for the anchor cable rather than the mooring line. If so then I reckon it would be lined with ply the same as the rest of the compartments. The cable (actually a thick rope) would be neatly coiled inside when it was fed down as the anchor was raised - the last thing you need on a boat is a fouled (tangled) line!
Erm, all the photos I have seen of the forward decks show the ropes scattered everywhere..
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Posted: Thursday, December 26, 2013 - 08:43 PM UTC
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Quoted TextBob,
I can't find a plan for MTB77, but I think that small hatch right in the bow would be for the anchor cable rather than the mooring line. If so then I reckon it would be lined with ply the same as the rest of the compartments. The cable (actually a thick rope) would be neatly coiled inside when it was fed down as the anchor was raised - the last thing you need on a boat is a fouled (tangled) line!
Erm, all the photos I have seen of the forward decks show the ropes scattered everywhere..
Aren't most of those pic's taken in port though? That is where you would be using the morring lines.
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Posted: Thursday, December 26, 2013 - 09:04 PM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextBob,
I can't find a plan for MTB77, but I think that small hatch right in the bow would be for the anchor cable rather than the mooring line. If so then I reckon it would be lined with ply the same as the rest of the compartments. The cable (actually a thick rope) would be neatly coiled inside when it was fed down as the anchor was raised - the last thing you need on a boat is a fouled (tangled) line!
Erm, all the photos I have seen of the forward decks show the ropes scattered everywhere..
Aren't most of those pic's taken in port though? That is where you would be using the morring lines.
The mooring line is totally separate from the anchor cable, being thinner and shorter. The mooring line would be 'flaked down' or coiled neatly on deck - to leave it otherwise when not in use would be to endure the wrath of the Cox'n for sure. The anchor cable even on a small ship like an MTB would be stowed below in the forepeak and only ranged on deck and connected to the anchor when required.
According to a google search, for a PT boat in 1944 the mooring line would be 10fathoms (60feet) of 7/8" rope, the anchor cable would be 2 50fathom (300 feet) lengths of 4 1/2" cable. One length would be in the forepeak and the other in the lazarette (sternmnost compartment that also contained the emergency steering gear etc)
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Posted: Thursday, December 26, 2013 - 09:31 PM UTC
Hi, I'm looking at John Lamberts plans of MTB77, the forward hatch is to the forepeak.
This is both a store room and a void area to protect the rest of the vessel in a frontal collision.
The interior would be ribs on the sides and the forward side of the bulkhead between the forepeak and the crew messdeck. The bulkhead is situated under the large towing bitt.
I think the anchor would have a length of chain which then goes to rope to increase the reach. Most certainly stowed in the fore peak.
As to mooring ropes the few pics available shot at sea don't seem to show ropes. I think on a small boat fighting in the dark they would have been a liability. The ropes I feel would be stowed in the fore/aft peak. Even on short journeys if the ropes were left on deck the would have been lashed to something solid, good seamanship.
Whoops quite an epistle, hope it helps
Cheers Kev
This is both a store room and a void area to protect the rest of the vessel in a frontal collision.
The interior would be ribs on the sides and the forward side of the bulkhead between the forepeak and the crew messdeck. The bulkhead is situated under the large towing bitt.
I think the anchor would have a length of chain which then goes to rope to increase the reach. Most certainly stowed in the fore peak.
As to mooring ropes the few pics available shot at sea don't seem to show ropes. I think on a small boat fighting in the dark they would have been a liability. The ropes I feel would be stowed in the fore/aft peak. Even on short journeys if the ropes were left on deck the would have been lashed to something solid, good seamanship.
Whoops quite an epistle, hope it helps
Cheers Kev
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Posted: Thursday, December 26, 2013 - 10:13 PM UTC
Think you got it all right though Kev
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Posted: Friday, December 27, 2013 - 07:09 AM UTC
O.K. then gentlemen; Julian, Dave, Warren,and Kev. Thanks for the super quick answers here. I will go with the storage area for the lines then. Will add the ribs, flooring and unfinished bulkhead for the compartment, and a small ladder to facilitate any crewman who has to be below deck there. Having a crewman lowering the moring line down as they take the salute while shoving off the pier going on thier mission. As the antena will be moved to the bridge area, I would imagine that the hatch would open all the way back and rest against the deck or any fixed object there.
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 03:42 AM UTC
December 28th update:
Very nearly there now, just the rocket launchers, navigation lights and some other small parts:
Very nearly there now, just the rocket launchers, navigation lights and some other small parts:
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 07:42 AM UTC
Jejejej Julian!!! I see that you end the year with another art work finished !!!! The result is fantastic!!! This 234 has life!!!! And that beuty camo . Good choice!!!! My humble congratulations ... it hurts that it ends at the back of the channel also 
Happy 2014 to all Daniel
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 08:39 AM UTC
Bit slow on the progress Mr Sallows...
You and Daniel are definitely masters of weathering. I hope none of the boats you have sailed on look that dirty!
Cheers
Warren
You and Daniel are definitely masters of weathering. I hope none of the boats you have sailed on look that dirty!
Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 10:49 AM UTC
Cracking job Julian, you must be well chuffed
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 05:55 PM UTC
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Happy 2014 to all Daniel
Thank you Daniel, timed it quite well to finish around the New year
This is how I would expect one of these Vospers to look after being hard worked in the Channel: a bit dirty but nothing a good washing down and a lick of paint can't cure.
I fitted the rocket projectors yesterday evening so she really is nearly finished. Time to start speculating if and what would be a fun follow up to this build. Maybe you or Warren have a view on that
First I have some unfinished business: The big B and an 88 Flak
Happy New Year to you and your family,
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 06:02 PM UTC
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Bit slow on the progress Mr Sallows...
You and Daniel are definitely masters of weathering. I hope none of the boats you have sailed on look that dirty!
Cheers
Warren
I am the original build sloth Warren
Some of the ships I sailed on looked worse
I have dreadfull memories of two trips I made on the Sl 62 and 61 doing the casing run from Northscott base near Lerwick, (thats the Shetlands for you folks down under), during the winter. The boats got rather grungy after nothing but appalling weather for a month.
If you take a closer look though it's dirt and not bad maintenance, (well, thats what I think it looks like
).Put your thinking hat on Mr. Inman, Daniel and I were discussing a new triple build, any ideas?
Happy New year to you and Mrs. Inman, go easy on the Skippy burgers,
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 06:05 PM UTC
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Cracking job Julian, you must be well chuffed
Hi Kev, thank you Sir, well chuffed? well, yes and no, there are always things that you look back on and think that it might have looked better if you had done this or that differently.
The 234 looks more or less like what I had in mind though, bashed around but not broken
Happy New Year to you and yours,
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 06:24 PM UTC
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Quoted TextBit slow on the progress Mr Sallows...
You and Daniel are definitely masters of weathering. I hope none of the boats you have sailed on look that dirty!
Cheers
Warren
I am the original build sloth Warren
Some of the ships I sailed on looked worse
I have dreadfull memories of two trips I made on the Sl 62 and 61 doing the casing run from Northscott base near Lerwick, (thats the Shetlands for you folks down under), during the winter. The boats got rather grungy after nothing but appalling weather for a month.
If you take a closer look though it's dirt and not bad maintenance, (well, thats what I think it looks like
Put your thinking hat on Mr. Inman, Daniel and I were discussing a new triple build, any ideas?
Happy New year to you and Mrs. Inman, go easy on the Skippy burgers,
One thing my Wife does not like is kangaroo for some reason. It would make lots of sense to farm them commercially but the market is just not there yet.
As to another build, I wouldn't have the foggiest.. I am not sure what you and Daniel have in your stashes so it is a bit hard to come up with a group build idea.
I will send you a listing of my stash and you can have a look-see to what you have.
Speaking of weathering, if I had seen one of my aircraft as dirty as some of the ones I see built on Aeroscale I would have had someone's guts for gaiters! We in the air force were employed for 24 hours a day and lots of that time were spent sitting around playing cards, time that could be utilised washing dirty aircraft..
I still remember standing under the wing of a Caribou with a broom and getting soaked in detergent while washing the plane..
Cheers
Warren
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 06:28 PM UTC
Sounds good Warren, no big hurry, we all have some things on the back burner at the moment.
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 06:36 PM UTC
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Sounds good Warren, no big hurry, we all have some things on the back burner at the moment.
It should be in your Inbox.
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 06:44 PM UTC
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Quoted TextSounds good Warren, no big hurry, we all have some things on the back burner at the moment.
It should be in your Inbox.
It is, that is an impressive collection
Do you have your own private warehouse? I'll look this through and see if I can think up something.
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Posted: Sunday, December 29, 2013 - 04:11 AM UTC
December 29th update:
Finished, nothing more to do except for some beauty shots.
My take on Lt. Peter Dicken's mount, Vosper 234, maybe some liberties taken on the Lewis guns and rocket projecters but still a reasonable rendition:
Only a small touch up to do on the port bridge coaming: Peter Dickens had a small seahorse painted on the coaming. I haven't been able to find out what colour it was so I have gone for gold With the White Ensign flying the 234 is ready for the hunt.
An enjoyable build on which I will be writing a feature article, (for some crazy reason I let Darren Baker talk me into this).
That means that Daniel, Warren and I have finished the Channel Adversaries blog. Great fun and I hope I can persuade these two friends to join in on another blog in the near future.
Finished, nothing more to do except for some beauty shots.
My take on Lt. Peter Dicken's mount, Vosper 234, maybe some liberties taken on the Lewis guns and rocket projecters but still a reasonable rendition:
Only a small touch up to do on the port bridge coaming: Peter Dickens had a small seahorse painted on the coaming. I haven't been able to find out what colour it was so I have gone for gold
With the White Ensign flying the 234 is ready for the hunt. An enjoyable build on which I will be writing a feature article, (for some crazy reason I let Darren Baker talk me into this).
That means that Daniel, Warren and I have finished the Channel Adversaries blog. Great fun and I hope I can persuade these two friends to join in on another blog in the near future.
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Posted: Sunday, December 29, 2013 - 05:24 AM UTC
Congradulations to all you guy's who have finished so far. Your builds have been the insperation to get this done.The 6 month delay for parts really put me behind for the campaign, so I might not finish in time but will finish her up noen the less. Any way, progress is going on bit by bit. The forward storage locker is built and need a few ribs in the engine compartment. Still looking for a Allison engine to fit next to the one I have. Amazing what you see when you open up the engine hatch. Sub assemblies are going on left and right; what ever catchs my attention when I sit at the table. Almost time to break out a rattle can or 2. I can see this is going to put a big hole in the finance department just in paint. P/U a can the other day and it was $6.73 including tax.
Julian, a question for you; on the engine room hatch, back side lower right; the rod sitting there, is that to hold the inner hatch up? or is there an other type used there.
Julian, a question for you; on the engine room hatch, back side lower right; the rod sitting there, is that to hold the inner hatch up? or is there an other type used there.
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Posted: Sunday, December 29, 2013 - 06:28 AM UTC
Another beautiful job, Julian. I love the color scheme. Those launchers on the forward part of the torpedo tubes, were they used for flares, or for something else? Al
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Posted: Sunday, December 29, 2013 - 06:46 AM UTC
Flares, starshells, things to light up the action Al
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Posted: Sunday, December 29, 2013 - 06:48 AM UTC
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Congradulations to all you guy's who have finished so far. Your builds have been the insperation to get this done.The 6 month delay for parts really put me behind for the campaign, so I might not finish in time but will finish her up noen the less. Any way, progress is going on bit by bit. The forward storage locker is built and need a few ribs in the engine compartment. Still looking for a Allison engine to fit next to the one I have. Amazing what you see when you open up the engine hatch. Sub assemblies are going on left and right; what ever catchs my attention when I sit at the table. Almost time to break out a rattle can or 2. I can see this is going to put a big hole in the finance department just in paint. P/U a can the other day and it was $6.73 including tax.
Julian, a question for you; on the engine room hatch, back side lower right; the rod sitting there, is that to hold the inner hatch up? or is there an other type used there.
Thanks for jogging my memory Bob, I have forgotten to put the hatch supports on. I'll post details ASAP.
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Posted: Sunday, December 29, 2013 - 01:04 PM UTC
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Flares, starshells, things to light up the action Al
Thanks Julian, It does kinda look like a thrower for clay targets used when shooting Trap, or Skeet. I could almost hear the Oerlikon gunner yelling,"Pull!".
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Posted: Monday, December 30, 2013 - 04:12 AM UTC
Launcher of rockets?? Jajajja only fail to put one retailer of coca-cola !!! I have some words ..... thanks to all for Adversaries of the Channel accompany this one. It was and will very enterteining!!! In my S-100 even small details are absent. But now continues the post with the new ones relieve Bob, Al, Dave, kev etc etc
The responsibility is his and our critiques!!!
Serious an honor to be able to share another gentle construction with you in this 2014!!! I am to the order!!! I have to finish my battery 88 and re initiate my built of great B "Tuning"
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